Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #14

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Somewhere I heard that Joran has 2 siblings at home. Does anyone have any information on them at all? Are they as pampered as he was or was he the 'Golden' child as Scott Peterson was? Somehow they have been kept in the shadows because
I haven't seen a picture of them or anything reported about them.

Help here?
 
In discussing Stephany's injuries, I think most of them are suggestive of being bopped a good one in the nose and then strangulation. I have stated before that the cut of her finger seems consistent with having her key chain or change purse looped on her finger and it being ripped from her hand. I am also still of the opinion that what her brother saw made her look much more "bruised" than just from her injuries because of the fact that she was lying face down. The blood will settle at the bottom of the body so to speak after a few days. It would have given her entire frontal area the look of discoloration and bruising. The strangulation will also put immense pressure on the already injured eye socket. Before I prepare for the attacks LOL I would like to state that I spent 18 years of my life in a funeral home/mortuary setting. I would also like to comment that a body after 3 days without embalming (unless its frozen or cooled in a morgue of course) will not be fit for any relative to see (other than thru a glass window. It will be grossly distorted by the beginnings of decomposition and the settling of blood process. JMO but feel free to check on this. As far as bruises on her feet, I am kind of wondering if they were soccer injuries--her dad and brother said she played a lot.

Proceed with the tomato toss LOL.

To me it's amazing how the people who post here come with from so many varied backgrounds and perspectives.

I tend to agree with you due to the fact that I have gone to wakes in Ireland where they do not embalm the deceased. Those times are the only times I've ever seen a dead person who really looked dead. And, even if they died of natural causes, they still looked like they were injured in some way.
 
Somewhere I heard that Joran has 2 siblings at home. Does anyone have any information on them at all? Are they as pampered as he was or was he the 'Golden' child as Scott Peterson was? Somehow they have been kept in the shadows because
I haven't seen a picture of them or anything reported about them.

Help here?

He has a brother Valentijn who is a film major at Emerson in Boston (2-3 yrs younger) as well as young sibling (13) Sebastian at home with his mom in Aruba (gotta feel sad for these poor kids)
 
...he has giving a hint about what was done to get his confession. He stated or implied that he ate little or nothing for the prior 2 days.

In case you don't know, the withdrawl from even addictive/allergic foods has been documented to be as severe in some people as heroin withdrawal.

If JVS's was laying an "I was starved" defense for his confession, he seriously compromised that already losing argument by only eating 1/2 of his yummy guard-given chicken dinner thereafter.

I would want to confirm this, but off the top of my head I think whatever article you saw regarding things like cigarette withdraw being as severe as heroin withdraw didn't quite summarize the studies correctly. It is indeed equally as difficult for people to quit cig's as heroin, but not because the withdraw is equally severe.

I'm not as familiar with the Peruvian legal system as the U.S. system, but they definitely have lower due process standards. For example, here, authorities cannot hold someone for a week without charging him. That would be a very serious violation of his procedural and substantive due process rights, and anything he said or did (or any tangible evidence they derived) while in custody would be tossed out of evidence like a ragdoll, no matter if they brought in Paul Prudhomme to prepare JVS blackened pasture-fed prime angus filet mignon table-side for breakfast, lunch and dinner. That is to say, it seems unlikely that not feeding him for two days would be a violation of his *Peruvian* DP rights if restricting someone's liberty for a week without filing charges is permissible.

But if that's what JVS was hoping when he said on camera that he hadn't eaten for 2 days, then he really should have scarfed down that chicken and asked for seconds, please. :winko:
 
I think his 2 siblings should be left out of it entirely. IMO.
 
Somewhere I heard that Joran has 2 siblings at home. Does anyone have any information on them at all? Are they as pampered as he was or was he the 'Golden' child as Scott Peterson was? Somehow they have been kept in the shadows because
I haven't seen a picture of them or anything reported about them.

Help here?

A panelist on JVM, can't remember her name, but she has written a book on Joran, said he has an illigitimate brother alledgedly that is a drug dealer. He is known by the name of some drug. Maybe Ectasy. Not sure.

I shouldn't have posted this as my facts are goofy. But, JVM said he was welcome to come on the show and dispute what this person said about him. He also has a younger brother at home.

I have not heard this any other place and did not bring it up here because it seemed no one was talkling about it. But, this is what I heard on JVM.
 
Chanier:

But I will say those Peruvian military police have a good deal of insight! I think they know well, at least intrinsically, about the allergy/addiction syndrome!

And they used it well against Joran to get his confession.

Recall how he said upon entering his new ample accommodations, that he had a headache (that's my clear take on what he was trying to say) and then he elaborated.

(snipped for brevity)

Based on your opinion here, do you then think if they had interrogated Joran in Aruba while also withholding his smokes, etc. they would have gotten a real confession?

And, do you think the Peruvian police, while withholding his smokes, etc. did get an honest confession?
 
Goodone newone!

As someone who has little tolerance for caffeine (and a previous addiction to Jamaica Blue Mountain coffee--the world's best by a country mile), I can relate to the coffee/caffeine thing.

I have often said that that caffeine and nicotine were more harmful than some hard drugs. I've seen videos of people in Ecuador doing their Coca tea and they seem calm and happy, and then I think of our frazzled society which runs off of caffeine.

The withdrawal phase from allergic/addictive foods or other substances is often not comprehensible until experienced. And most people never experience it which is why they eat/drink certain things every single day. And some, as the study I just posted do go berserk/criminal etc., from certain things. Our brains are very sensitive. Again not an excuse for anything as I stated.
 
He was gambling underage when he met NH in the casino in Aruba and he had access to a $5,000 line of credit (his father's) at the same casino. This in itself shows that he and his father thought they were 'above the law' (MOO).

My "sporter" .
 
He has a brother Valentijn who is a film major at Emerson in Boston (2-3 yrs younger) as well as young sibling (13) Sebastian at home with his mom in Aruba (gotta feel sad for these poor kids)

Many thanks for the update..... I wonder if they too were pampered but
it seems at least Valentijn is doing something constructive with his life.

I also heard that one was adopted.....but don't know for sure.
I would imagine that one would be Joran......just a thought.
 
Just a quick note about the videos in the casino. I saw one clip where Stephany looks up, as if to look at the overhead camera.

Did anyone else see that shot? I don't know which one, but it's there somewhere.

JMHO
fran

Did notice that yesterday. With her father being friends with owner of casino, she must of had knowledge of camera.
 
A panelist on JVM, can't remember her name, but she has written a book on Joran, said he has an illigitimate brother alledgedly that is a drug dealer. He is known by the name of some drug. Maybe Ectasy. Not sure.

I shouldn't have posted this as my facts are goofy. But, JVM said he was welcome to come on the show and dispute what this person said about him. He also has a younger brother at home.

I have not heard this any other place and did not bring it up here because it seemed no one was talkling about it. But, this is what I heard on JVM.

I must've just caught a small part of that segment....but did remember someone saying something about an adopted brother.
Yes, she did invite him to the show.....wow.....I'm sure he's keeping clear
of any interview or from Joran too.

Very interesting.....
 
Goodone newone!

As someone who has little tolerance for caffeine (and a previous addiction to Jamaica Blue Mountain coffee--the world's best by a country mile), I can relate to the coffee/caffeine thing.

I have often said that that caffeine and nicotine were more harmful than some hard drugs. I've seen videos of people in Ecuador doing their Coca tea and they seem calm and happy, and then I think of our frazzled society which runs off of caffeine.

The withdrawal phase from allergic/addictive foods or other substances is often not comprehensible until experienced. And most people never experience it which is why they eat/drink certain things every single day. And some, as the study I just posted do go berserk/criminal etc., from certain things. Our brains are very sensitive. Again not an excuse for anything as I stated.


While I guess this is possible I think it is a stretch to say a person who drinks coffee or smokes will confess to a horrendous crime if he is deprived of his addictions. I have been drinking coffee for well over 50 years and I smoke.

But, I have also gone without these items for extended periods of time. No coffee, equals a headache for me. No cigarettes just makes me happy when I am able to smoke one. Besides, Joran had already confessed to murder to the taxi drivers and no telling who else along the way. jmo
 
Many thanks for the update..... I wonder if they too were pampered but
it seems at least Valentijn is doing something constructive with his life.

I also heard that one was adopted.....but don't know for sure.
I would imagine that one would be Joran......just a thought.

interesting, but he sure resembled his father, imo.
 
Dgfred:

Thanks for bringing up the hyoid bone. I think that is commonly found broken in strangling cases. And maybe that is what is meant in the diagram?

It doesn't take much to break this little fragile bone.

It appears that the nature of the instrument and/or the magnitude of force used during strangulation does indeed come into play when fractures of the hyoid bone are found.

A fractured hyoid bone occurs in about 1/3 of homicides related to strangulation.

ETA: The brutality of this murder is extreme - only 1/3 strangulation>fracture of hyoid bone.


SNIPPED; BBM
Abstract

The hyoid is the U-shaped bone of the neck that is fractured in one-third of all homicides by strangulation. On this basis, postmortem detection of hyoid fracture is relevant to the diagnosis of strangulation. However, since many cases lack a hyoid fracture, the absence of this finding does not exclude strangulation as a cause of death. The reasons why some hyoids fracture and others do not may relate to the nature and magnitude of force applied to the neck, age of the victim, nature of the instrument (ligature or hands) used to strangle, and intrinsic anatomic features of the hyoid bone.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8934706
 
TwiceIrish:

I think Joran is a monster and killed both young women.

I think there is also much more going on here. I know a lot about deeper conspiratorial matters. And I think Joran was protected in Arruba. They probably gave him anything he wanted while being held there. If he couldn't resist when 22, I would imagine when only 17, if they really wanted to they would have gotten a confession out of him. Joran is a weak willed person when if comes down to it.

Look at his new casino playing partner, Hugo Trujillo Ospina. He didn't talk at all.

I read up on him last week. He refused to say a single word about his "alleged" crime. And his Daddy was not likely a lawyer. I am sure Joran's father told him a thousand times, if arrested keep your mouth shut. That is the most common phrase from an attorney. And the father knew all about the son, and people here think daddy aided him in criminal enterprise RE Holloway. And I wouldn't doubt it.

But as soon as the weak-willed Joran doesn't get some food or smokes, or cola or whatever, he can't help himself. Remember he has no remorse, so there is no guilt that would make him confess. But I also don't think he is the brightest bulb in the package. But fiddling with head, and starving him and depriving him of his addictions made him a very helpless puppy.
 
A panelist on JVM, can't remember her name, but she has written a book on Joran, said he has an illigitimate brother alledgedly that is a drug dealer. He is known by the name of some drug. Maybe Ectasy. Not sure.

I shouldn't have posted this as my facts are goofy. But, JVM said he was welcome to come on the show and dispute what this person said about him. He also has a younger brother at home.

I have not heard this any other place and did not bring it up here because it seemed no one was talkling about it. But, this is what I heard on JVM.


I watched the show and heard that segment as well mck16 so she did definately say that. And the name was Ectasy. That doesn't make it true, just that the information was put forward on JVM.
 
I'll give an opinion here but with the caveat that the medical examiner/autopsy will prove a more accurate picture as to cause of death.

I am former Marine, trained in hand to hand combat and Viet vet. I hesitate talking about the forms of death a person can experience.

This is all IMO! To the question of was JVDS trained in martial arts? I'll say it's possible, I'll also say probably anyone who had a fascination with killing someone could learn in the privacy of their own home in a basement.

I am familiar with nose blows and they are more likely used to disable and not kill, although brain death could occur I'd expect it would take awhile. From what I read on the net it sounds like a very brutal undefended strike.

If it's true he choked her IMO that to me would be the more likely cause of death, due to the fact the air and blood supply is restricted. To me it's more likely she was brutally struck with something, elbow, blunt object etc. It won't surprise me if she was choked afterwards.

Really how she died is not as important to me as that "she is deceased" gone. It also appears from a distance JVDS is responsible. I think Peruvian police and the hotel with hidden cameras have done an excellent job of putting the crime together and IMO Castro Casto is the place JVDS deserves to be. Not for one second do I beleive JVDS is being set up. To feel for JVDS is to feel for the whole peruvian prison population. When in Rome, do as the Romans do..

PS, having said all that I want people to know, self defense training can teach someone how to break choke holds and grips from an attacker. It's not very difficult to do but I can't demonstrate it or describe it here. One must practice to become a believer.

Unless he had some miltary or academy training I see his elbow move
as an example of street fighting. Cause of death as asphyxiation. She
had broken neck, skull fracture, broken nose from top hit, msc bruising
on torso, (no broken ribs), bruises at wrists, bruises topside at ankles near feet, open bleeding wound near finger tips on right hand ... msc other. The chart of wounds they produced is very crude not a formal
autopsy examination chart with notes which will provide detail when
released at trial.

I would advise caution until the full autopsy details are released.

For example: one early reports reads: "Flores, 21, was found last weekend in the room with a broken neck, stab and/or puncture wounds, and she appeared to have been beaten with a baseball bat found in the room registered under van der Sloot’s name." (Examiner)

In fact, most early reports I read mentioned 'multiple stab wounds', but the Police chart
lists no puncture wounds -
 
While I guess this is possible I think it is a stretch to say a person who drinks coffee or smokes will confess to a horrendous crime if he is deprived of his addictions. I have been drinking coffee for well over 50 years and I smoke.

But, I have also gone without these items for extended periods of time. No coffee, equals a headache for me. No cigarettes just makes me happy when I am able to smoke one. Besides, Joran had already confessed to murder to the taxi drivers and no telling who else along the way. jmo


Everyone's withdrawal is different from everyone elses and different for different substances. That's the whole point.

But Joran confessing to murder to the taxi drivers, I suspect will vehemently be denied by the drivers, and already has been.

And who has proclaimed that: Joran. And perhaps why--he didn't like BEING EXTORTED for his watch etc. He could have told them it was urgent to get to Chile, doesn't mean he said he just did a murder.

Somehow I do not believe he told them he just committed a murder. He would then run the risk that they'd say this is too dangerous and consequential fo them regardless of how much money Joran might provide.

Remember almost everything out of Joran's mouth is a lie, unless backed by physical evidence. And once he has something to gain or to get vengeance, the lies come out in overtime. But it's not impossible he stupidly told them, precisely because his brain doesn't work too well, and he is his own worst enemy.

This one will be hard to prove. He said, they said. And the govt will then end up saying.

Will they take the word of a proven murderer? Or the 3 drivers. Do the latter have criminal records?
 
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