Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #8

[sunsetbeach]

If you look at the hotel description for the Hotel Tac in Lima Peru it states:

Airport transportation‎‎, Bar/lounge on site‎‎, Complimentary breakfast‎‎, Cable TV‎‎, Car rental‎‎, City transportation‎‎, Concierge‎‎, Multi-lingual staff‎‎, Non-smoking rooms available‎‎, Safe in room‎‎, Self parking available‎‎, Smoking rooms available‎‎, Valet parking‎‎, 24-hour security‎‎, Parking garage‎‎, Interior room entrance‎‎, Exterior room entrance‎‎, Wake up service‎‎, Alternative lifestyle friendly‎‎

BBM = gay lifestyle friendly.

This also may have been discussed - but what's with the Interior AND exterior room entrance. He was on the 3rd floor. I wonder if this pertains only to first floor rooms.

I "think" the part Mara232 was lost on was this comment by karma-girl ...

ETA- good possibility that he is bi...I saw a pic of him on a dance floor biting a guys crotch, lol!

 

[jjenny]

BBM. If this hotel had Complinenary Breakfast available, then why did he have to go to a convenience store for coffee and bread???

Maybe to purchase hair dye, peroxide? Peroxide is also known to remove blood stains.

Just makes me wonder why he just didn't get the breakfast there?

Maybe he didn't like hotel's breakfast. If she was killed quickly (as one of the articles in the translated link suggests), then I don't see why it would not be possible for her to be killed after he came back. It only takes a moment to break someone's neck.

 

[krowdkat]

That article about Elton Garcia in the translation thread is very very interesting. According to the report Garcia played poker with Stephany on four different occassions. It kinda sounds like it's possible that Joran might have known Stephany for longer than just that one night. Does anyone else get that vibe from the article.

Thanks sooo much, Mohabi and Travelbug! Kudos!

 

[mosouri]

Did you notice when Joran was leaving with his backpacks that he darted through the doorway and immediately checked the door shut. He did look towards the camera and he looked so confident. He didn't look like he did anything out of the unusual, meaning that he probably "has been there, done that". I would have thought he would have poked his head through the door to see "all clear" and then walk through the door. I don't think the doors have peep holes or do they? Cold blooded. And if he thinks he was a celebrity then, he really is now. His name and picture is splattered all over the world as a murderer, and his case has overshadowed Hillary Clinton's visit in Peru with other diplomats. If he miraculously gets out of this, life definitely will not be easy for him. He won't have to be concerned about someone delving into his personal life.

 

[krowdkat]

Also the article mentions that his return from the coffee trip was at 8:25. That only leaves 31 minutes from arriving back at the hostel until he fled at 8:56.

ETA: This is what it says...There, the police found out that the Dutchman bought two cups of coffee at 8:00 am on Sunday, returned to the hotel, went up to his room, and returned with only one cup of coffee to pay for 2 late days, and it was 8:25. At 8:45 he left with a black backpack and a brown suitcase in his hand. They never saw him again.

The time stamp on the video is 11 minutes too fast as has been stated many many threads ago. LOL

 

[Melanie]

BBM. If this hotel had Complinenary Breakfast available, then why did he have to go to a convenience store for coffee and bread???

Maybe to purchase hair dye, peroxide? Peroxide is also known to remove blood stains.

Just makes me wonder why he just didn't get the breakfast there?

Doesn't make a lot of sense does it? There's no reason to go out and buy coffee -- especially if he was watching his nickels.

We haven't seen the video of the coffee purchase, so who knows if it even exists -- and isn't another one of Joran's "stories". IMHO I think he made it up.

JMO

Mel

 

[Wings Of Light]

PHEW!

I just got done going back through all of the threads, picking out the credible sources, and compiling them all into an ACCURATE timeline.

I was surprised by how much rampant speculation there was, and how little was actually based in the articles.

I also found that some places were more reliable than others.

Anyways, I think this will clear up A LOT of confusion here.

If you are confused about the timeline, read this!

I have put everything into a Google Wave, which is basically a real time collaboration tool. Basically, anytime you visit the link I provide below, you'll be seeing all of the newest information added in automatically, and the latest version of the timeline. I believe that you have to have a Google account to view the wave. If you don't already have one, I encourage you to sign up either at www.gmail.com (it's a great email client) or by clicking here.

I will be using Google Wave for other projects I am working on for this case, and you really won't be able to get all of the information unless you can view it.

Regardless, here is my basic timeline. In the interest of space, I'm not going to include the sources. You will have to view the wave for that.

Link to the Wave:

https://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+ldV6EhoSH

The wave is Public, and can be edited by anyone. I ask that everyone please be very respectful editing it. I will be keeping it up to date and removing anything that doesn't belong. Please only include sources that are reliable (i.e. not blogs or opinions). Also, please do not delete any sources. If it gets out of control, I will have to remove the editing ability.

The below is just the basic timeline. Get on the wave for the full version with sources!

Basic Timeline

May 10th

• $15,000 wired from Mountain Brook, Ala. to a bank in the Netherlands. (6,9)
• $10,000 paid to Joran in cash. (9)

May 13th

• Joran leaves Aruba.
• Joran arrives Colombia

May 14th

• Leaves Colombia ()
• Arrives in Lima, Peru ()
• May have Checked into Hotel TAC - Conflicting reports. - This date is less credible than may 16th.

May 16th

• Joran checks in to Hotel TAC, and prepays for 14 Nights. (11)

May 30th

• Surveillance video shows Joran and Stephany playing poker at the same table, and Stephany winning $1700. (10)
• 5:15am - Leaves Atlantic City Casino (1)
• 5:20am - Arrives at Hotel Tac Lobby (1)
• 5:31am - Leaves Hotel Tac Lobby towards room 309 (2,3)
• 5:33am - Enters Room (2,3)
• Goes to gas station/supermarket [?max] to buy coffee and bread
• *Stephany uses his computer and finds emails relating to Natalee Holloway (5)
• Returns From Getting Coffee at ?max (1)
• Stephany confronts him about emails, they fight.
• 8:11am - Murder Takes Place (1)
  [8:20am (7)]
  
• 8:56am - JVS Leaves Hotel Tac With All of His and Her belongings (1,3)
  Takes a taxi to Peru/Chile border. (13)

June 1st

• 11pm - Hotel TAC receives call from someone looking for vadersloot. Call was forwarded but noone answered. (8)

June 2nd

• ~12am - Hotel Receptionist notices Joran owes money for 2 nights, goes up to the room, and knocked on the door. Noone answered, but she heard the television blaring and assumed he was sleeping. She spoke with someone, presumably her manager, and he said to use a spare key to go in. When she went in, she discovered the body. Stephany was wearing only red panties and a black t-shirt, but was half covered with a piece of white clothing. The receptionist turned off the TV and lights on her way out. (8)
• Joran Enters Chile On Foot - Customs Paperwork (10)
• Stays in a hotel in Santiago. Leaves his credit cards there. (6 pg. 2)

June 3rd

• Joran is captured by police while travelling in a taxi on the highway between Santiago and Valparaiso. (11)
• Extortion Charges Are Filed

June 4th

• Joran is flown to the border city of Arica to be expelled. (12,14)
• Joran arrives in Peru, driven across border near Santa Rosa to police station. (12)

June 5th

• Joran arrives at Lima Police Headquarters. (14)

June 7th

• Confesses to her murder while in Peruvian Custody.

I hope this is helpful for everyone. The timeline will be a constant work in progress. I will be expanding and updating the wave continually! I believe it contains all of the known information at this time. At least of what has been posted here on WS.

 

[jjenny]

Also the article mentions that his return from the coffee trip was at 8:25. That only leaves 31 minutes from arriving back at the hostel until he fled at 8:56.

He didn't establish any sort of an alibi by going out for coffee. I fail to see what he would have been trying to accomplish by going out for coffee if she were already dead.

 

[Melanie]

Maybe he didn't like hotel's breakfast. If she was killed quickly (as one of the articles in the translated link suggests), then I don't see why it would not be possible for her to be killed after he came back. It only takes a moment to break someone's neck.

You could be correct. Not to get OT, but speaking from personal experience. We stayed at a hotel in the UK, and rec'd a free breakie every morning. Horrible. They put sugar in the scrambled eggs. Coffee was weak and watered down. Maybe that's why the TAC hotel only charges 30-50 night -- we'll never know (unless someone can chime in about this hotels complimentary breakfast).

MOO

Mel

 

[JBean]

Let me know if you guys need me to set up a case calendar for you to add events.

 

[cat thief]

He didn't establish any sort of an alibi by going out for coffee. I fail to see what he would have been trying to accomplish by going out for coffee if she were already dead.

I think he was trying to portray that she was alive which is why he went out for 2 CUPS and not 1 CUP. This begs the question. Did she recently ingest coffee near the time of her death?

I know it sounds simple but none of us have ever murdered so we don't know how a murder might go fishing for alibis.

 

[butterfly1978]

If the information released today that said JVS could only face 6-15 years are true, then he would get more time here in the US for the extortion charges and wire fraud. I just looked it up and the maximum sentence for federal extortion is 20 years and for wire fraud it 10-20 years, and you know that we would go for the max with JVS however i'm not sure if the charges would be concurent or not. Regardless he is looking at more time here than in Peru for murder which is crazy if you ask me.

 

[mosouri]

That's awful....beat someone to death, have a cup of coffee, and eat bread...just a typical morning (during a gambling trip)... I wonder if he sang in the shower....

 

[Dion]

Doesn't make a lot of sense does it? There's no reason to go out and buy coffee -- especially if he was watching his nickels.

We haven't seen the video of the coffee purchase, so who knows if it even exists -- and isn't another one of Joran's "stories". IMHO I think he made it up.

JMO

Mel

It is strange that they show him coming back the hotel and leaving, but not the coffee expedition. Did the coffee thing come from his statement only, or was it caught on tape? I wish they would clarify.

Is it possible that he really didn't notice the security camera focused on his door. When he came out, he looked down the hall, but I didn't see him look up at the camera.

I mean, who would kill someone, knowing there was a camera pointing right at the entrance to your room?

 

[jjenny]

I think he was trying to portray that she was alive which is why he went out for 2 CUPS and not 1 CUP. This begs the question. Did she recently ingest coffee near the time of her death?

I know it sounds simple but none of us have ever murdered so we don't know how a murder might go fishing for alibis.

I think the confession story is plausible. He could have gone out for coffee (she was still alive). When he came back, she could have been on his computer, looking up his name on google, which could have pissed him off.
She would not be drinking any coffee in that scenario because he would have been pissed off right way when he came back.

 

[Melanie]

mala atencion al cliente

Este hotel no tiene grata atencion al cliente por consiguiente lo hacen un lugar al que uno no quiera volver a hospedarse a pesar de la buena ubicacion y la relativa comodidad que tenga .

Quasi translated:

bad atencion to the client

This hotel does not have pleasing attention to the client therefore make a place to which one does not want to return to stay itself in spite of the good location and the relative comfort that it has.

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUser...0721-Hotel_Tac_Sac-Lima.html#CHECK_RATES_CONT

MOO

Mel

 

[jjenny]

It is strange that they show him coming back the hotel and leaving, but not the coffee expedition. Did the coffee thing come from his statement only, or was it caught on tape? I wish they would clarify.

Is it possible that he really didn't notice the security camera focused on his door. When he came out, he looked down the hall, but I didn't see him look up at the camera.

I mean, who would kill someone, knowing there was a camera pointing right at the entrance to your room?

Regardless of camera, the hotel personnel saw her going into his room, and one would think that alone should have been enough. But if he got pissed at her and flew into a rage, then it obviously wouldn't have been pre-meditated.

 

[krowdkat]

Well, according to the video that was just translated Joran bought the coffee at the mini mart at 8:00 a.m. returned back to his room and then went back down to the front desk at 8:25 to pay 2 days late fees on the room. Then he fled 20 minutes later.

I just can't see him arguing, murdering, showering, changing clothes and then packing and fleeing in a 20 or even a 25 minute time frame.

The article does say that the police collected receipts.

I truly believe, now, that she was dead before he left to get the coffee.

 

[Kateyes]

Earlier it was discussed about the Holloway family asking the Peruvian justice system to take what happened to Natalee into consideration when sentencing Joran. Several posts were made re: how any testimony about Natalee could be introduced to the court since Joran was not tried or convicted of anything in Natalee's disappearance. I posted that one of the lawyers on NG (at least I believe it was on NG - by now I have listened to so many talking heads they are all blurring into one)stated that witnesses can testify to past behaviors against a defendant, and the judges on the three judge panel will take the testimony into consideration and decide whether it is credible and whether this info will affect the sentence imposed.

Patty G noted that Joran was never convicted. I stated the impression I got from the attorney on the program was that, under the law in Peru, the testimony about previous behaviors does not have to be about things for which the defendant was convicted.
I further stated I would do research and post any links found. Well, I searched for about 2 hours, and found numerous things about cases held in Peru, but could not find the specific statute, etc of Peruvian law that addressed this issue. So, I don't really know if what the attorney was saying is the way Peru does things. But I do know that , as hard as it is not to do, comparing what happens under Peruvian law to what is allowed under the US laws doesn't matter because the laws of the two countries, and the ways they are executed are very very different.

If anyone has found/does find anything about this topic please post. Would love to see the info. Thanks

 

[jjenny]

Well, according to the video that was just translated Joran bought the coffee at the mini mart at 8:00 a.m. returned back to his room and then went back down to the front desk at 8:25 to pay 2 days late fees on the room. Then he fled 20 minutes later.

I just can't see him arguing, murdering, showering, changing clothes and then packing and fleeing in a 20 or even a 25 minute time frame.

The article does say that the police collected receipts.

I truly believe, now, that she was dead before he left to get the coffee.

Just on this board alone I have seen several different timelines on when exactly he went to get coffee.