Discussion in 'Up to the Minute' started by dotr, May 15, 2018.
On the other hand..
The letter "M" thing and then the odd way to end a call "This is a waste of time" bu Mahmoud is odd. Well, the whole thing is odd. What would cause someone who showed no signs of this at home to behave so erratically almost immediately after arriving. Same questions stand with Lars Mittank.
Also, seems as if the "Independent" is most concerned with Egypt's tourism than getting the truth about Magdalena's death. :dunno:
Video Sources: Footage of Magda on the hotel floor: https://youtu.be/upMSgP2UWmg?t=28s Magda's first visit to the hospital: https://youtu.be/zkAeRfTYE-s?t=8m26s Magda video calls Markus: https://youtu.be/8hNQbWwNkAU Magda's second visit (and fight) at the hospital: https://youtu.be/zmgz6P_PulY?t=21s The room she was in, and the window she fell from: https://youtu.be/F-X_XST4ryk?t=27s ___
I am finding 'human trafficking' the go to phrase of the moment, any time a person/child goes missing it comes up.
If her boyfriend was originally going to Egypt with her and it was simply for a holiday rather than a modeling contract or similar, then I wonder why the boyfriend didn't end up going? For trafficking I'd expect the traffickers to want the female to travel alone, not accompanied, yet it sounds more like the boyfriend pulled out? Relationship problems?
And would traffickers take her to a hospital and then murder her? Why not just dump her there and leave? Any accusations she made would be put down to mh issues, which it does sound like she was suffering from if she wasn't allowed on the place.
What if there were relationship issues, latent mh issues, and going away to a strange country alone just exacerbated everything and she couldn't cope. Being turned back from traveling home could have seemed a really big deal, maybe she got terrified she'd be locked away in an Egyptian mental institution?
Maybe that's because Human Trafficking is such a rife problem right now.
Also, I didn't mention HT in the post you quoted. I'm leaning more to MH with the possibility that it was exacerbated by drugs (not known to Magdalena).
You would be surprised by how many mispers experience some form of HT. When you see "found safe" or "recovered" or whatever after a misper is found. Don't assume all is well. A lot of the time, they have endured something like that but it does not get reported to protect the individual.
(Former victims advocate with a 501(c)(3) registered non-profit in the US).
I don't know if anyone else saw it but she obviously made a very obscene gesture with her hands when her boyfriend was asking her to tell him what is going on. It seems like he didn't notice and she says "I can't talk". I watched it again and again to be sure and I am very sure this is what happens. You can also see the look in her face of her yearning for him to understand.
That is the link. What I am talking about starts at 2:57
I am new to this site and I am nervous to say what that gesture implies because I don't know the rules completely yet.
Welcome to Ws rechka!
The gesture that you are referring to could suggest something sexual or she is just nervously gesturing with her hands.
MZ certainly seems upset and trying to communicate something...
I wasn't trying to say that ht doesn't exist, just that it feels like a phrase that's popped up out of nowhere, and it initially seemed to mean trafficking across borders, but now I feel like the term has replaced other formerly used terms in other situations, and I get a bit confused with it. Then there are situations where I think it's highly unlikely (like Lucas) and lots of people are using the phrase in cases like that, and I get a bit confused with how/why it's become a 'go to' term and I really want to know exactly what people are thinking of when they use the term, but it often seems to be used as a cover for the real meaning. I can deduce the meaning in a case with a 5-year old child, or at least what I think it means, though that's not the term I would use for it in that situation, but I struggle with deducing it in a case like this.
I think I was just jumping off your post, not replying to it per se.
Jumping again...looking at the video Magdalena just looks terrified. I'm not thinking trafficking so much as a really vile attack on her, and someone being afraid that if she was left alone/left the country that she might feel able to speak openly of what had happened to her. Maybe the plane incident could have been induced with drugs...she doesn't appear in the video to be anything other than scared out of her wits.
I don't know how I have ended up back on this thread again after so many months but, here I am. Watching the video of her Facetime again and I'm definitely convinced that something happened to this poor girl and something triggered a MH episode, whether it was the event that happened to her or drugs, or both. I feel so awful for her poor family. What a nightmare.
This is a petition asking for further investigation into Magdalena's death.
Enough lies about the death of Magdalena Zuk!
Enough lies about the death of Magdalena Żuk / Karolina Kaczorowska!
Gonna pass that petition link to some of online friends.
What a beautiful young woman.
I will be sure to sign the petition. This was no "standard" suicide. Someone knows more about her death... I'm sure that someone, probably multiple people, were relieved to have her gone. I so wish she had of gotten the chance to tell what had happened to her.
I'm gonna go ahead and join one of the groups on Facebook for Magdalena and see what is being discussed/done. My Polish is rusty, so, wish me luck!