Possible CAB / LIMOUSINES connection to the LISK / SG case

[PickleChris]

You can take Sore Thumb in and out of there. Any AWD or 4X4 SUV can do this trip, granted you have the permit.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

You could walk that route, but there's absolutely no chance any type of street legal vehicle could drive it. The biggest challenge would be the ten inch wood posts that form the barrier at the end of the road. In reality, even without those, there's no passing through the brush there with a vehicle to follow that route. It was drawn by someone who's never been there or lived there. There is only ONE way to leave the O.B.A. with a car, SUV etc.

If you are saying that this "road" that the person posted a picture of on Websleuths - stating that you can exit Oak Beach on a back road is wrong - than this person was posting MISINFORMATION.

Why would anyone do that on WS? In THIS case?
They went to a lot of trouble by posting a picture with a darkened line to show the car's route.. to exit Oak Beach via a back route.

The only way to actually come to reality with a back road or not - is to have this picture presented at Hackett's trial this fall. Then it will be discussed and on the record as fact.

I gave this picture to John Ray, Esq. a long time ago - so it will be interesting if it gets addressed in court.

 

[mcme]

You can take Sore Thumb in and out of there. Any AWD or 4X4 SUV can do this trip, granted you have the permit.

The sore thumb is on the west side of Oak Beach and has no access to the O.B.A., not that you can drive through any of the backyards at the end of the road anyway.

 

[mcme]

If you are saying that this "road" that the person posted a picture of on Websleuths - stating that you can exit Oak Beach on a back road is wrong - than this person was posting MISINFORMATION.

Why would anyone do that on WS? In THIS case?
They went to a lot of trouble by posting a picture with a darkened line to show the car's route.. to exit Oak Beach via a back route.

The only way to actually come to reality with a back road or not - is to have this picture presented at Hackett's trial this fall. Then it will be discussed and on the record as fact.

I gave this picture to John Ray, Esq. a long time ago - so it will be interesting if it gets addressed in court.

It is the case. There is no back way out. If you're ever in the area, PM me and we can go down there and you'll see for yourself how ridiculous the concept of leaving that way is.

 

[PickleChris]

The sore thumb is on the west side of Oak Beach and has no access to the O.B.A., not that you can drive through any of the backyards at the end of the road anyway.

Ok I guess I'm wrong.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

It is the case. There is no back way out. If you're ever in the area, PM me and we can go down there and you'll see for yourself how ridiculous the concept of leaving that way is.

I believe it was PS149 that posted that picture and stated with conviction - quite frankly INSISTING - that this was the back way OUT of Oak Beach.

hmmmmmmmmm how bizarre.

 

[twocuriouscats]

I'm not completely sure how it works, but if your phone is using service based locating vs. gps locating, the bill or posts will show what it assumes is your location based on which cell antenna you connect to. At Gilgo it usually comes up Amityville, at Cedar beach it's Lindenhurst, at Oak Beach it's West Islip etc. Massapequa shows up from the West Gilgo to Tobay areas.

Great info mcme, thank you for that. Maureen's phone (according to Kolker) was turned on and pinged at Fire Island in 2008. Where do you think that location would actually be? IOW, where would a person be and have their phone ping as "fire Island"?
I've always wondered if LISK was a boater. If a person on a boat outside the barrier islands could get a signal for cell - where would that boat be? TIA

 

[LISleuth]

I got this picture from Websleuths when it was posted.
They stated that you can go Hawser Driver to Robert Moses Causeway
and they have the blue line showing a back way out of Oak Beach.

"Supposedly" there is a chain spanning that exit with a padlock on it & "supposedly" the only person with a key is the subject of the civil suit. I don't know personally that in fact it exists but this had been stated just as some others are saying it was. I remember who said it quite vividly.

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[To Kill a Mockingbird]

"Supposedly" there is a chain spanning that exit with a padlock on it & "supposedly" the only person with a key is the subject of the civil suit. I don't know personally that in fact it exists but this had been stated just as some others are saying it was. I remember who said it quite vividly.

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Maybe you heard that in person.... from someone?
I don't recall....a chain with a padlock.... being discussed at that exit..... but I've disappeared and reappeared on this site for ever....
I do recall the picture being posted on WS. and that is why I put it in the oak beach file..

PS 149 was insisting there was a way out
via a back way and strong insinuations that MP got OUTTA dodge via that exit.

 

[bessie]

"Supposedly" there is a chain spanning that exit with a padlock on it & "supposedly" the only person with a key is the subject of the civil suit. I don't know personally that in fact it exists but this had been stated just as some others are saying it was. I remember who said it quite vividly.

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The QUOTE feature is working just fine. The problem arises when one member quotes another, and breaks the quote tags.

A quote requires an opening tag, and one at the end that look something like this. (The letter "e" has been omitted to demonstrate.)

open quote - [quot=xxxxx;1111111]

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When members "quote" a post that contains a "broken quote", it causes a chain reaction that is a royal pain to correct.

 

[mcme]

"Supposedly" there is a chain spanning that exit with a padlock on it & "supposedly" the only person with a key is the subject of the civil suit. I don't know personally that in fact it exists but this had been stated just as some others are saying it was. I remember who said it quite vividly.

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Just so it's very clear, there's no chain and lock at the end of that street. It's not necessary because it's not a roadway out. There are some wood posts in the ground to stop anyone from driving off the end of the street into the brush. There is one chained exit from Oak Beach to the Ocean Pkwy., but that's on the west end near the civic association and not in the O.I,B.A., which is the gated area to the east we are talking about.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

Just so it's very clear, there's no chain and lock at the end of that street. It's not necessary because it's not a roadway out. There are some wood posts in the ground to stop anyone from driving off the end of the street into the brush. There is one chained exit from Oak Beach to the Ocean Pkwy., but that's on the west end near the civic association and not in the O.I,B.A., which is the gated area to the east we are talking about.

So then we need LISLEUTH to get a picture of this chain and padlock exit - since LISLEUTH is saying "supposedly" it exists. Otherwise we are being fed rumour and innuendo and spreading misinformation.

So - LISLEUTH - please post a link regarding this exit with a padlock and the only person with a key is ???

A picture would be terrific if you could get one to show that this really exists.


Originally Posted by LISleuth
"Supposedly" there is a chain spanning that exit with a padlock on it & "supposedly" the only person with a key is the subject of the civil suit. I don't know personally that in fact it exists but this had been stated just as some others are saying it was. I remember who said it quite vividly.

 

[LISleuth]

Just so it's very clear, there's no chain and lock at the end of that street. It's not necessary because it's not a roadway out. There are some wood posts in the ground to stop anyone from driving off the end of the street into the brush. There is one chained exit from Oak Beach to the Ocean Pkwy., but that's on the west end near the civic association and not in the O.I,B.A., which is the gated area to the east we are talking about.

It appears you've made it clear that what was told about a chained post on the east end of OB, is not the case but is at the west end which does not include the O.I.B.A. So, a "key" is of no value being it has nothing to do with OB east end. Stories abound but helpful corrections bring the truth to the light of day. Now there's no confusion or misinformation regarding an "exit" other than the gate. Thanks, mcme!

 

[LINative13]

You guys are making this way too complex.

 

[Just K]

Maybe you heard that in person.... from someone?
I don't recall....a chain with a padlock.... being discussed at that exit..... but I've disappeared and reappeared on this site for ever....
I do recall the picture being posted on WS. and that is why I put it in the oak beach file..

PS 149 was insisting there was a way out
via a back way and strong insinuations that MP got OUTTA dodge via that exit.

And, a resident even joked about their secret exit being made public. When we zoomed in on the satellite images of that entire area, you could see well worn tire tracks.

 

[mcme]

And, a resident even joked about their secret exit being made public. When we zoomed in on the satellite images of that entire area, you could see well worn tire tracks.

Someone may have been joking? Fact is, there is NO exit from the O.I.B.A. at the end of that street.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

And, a resident even joked about their secret exit being made public. When we zoomed in on the satellite images of that entire area, you could see well worn tire tracks.

by any chance - do you have these images - these satellite images of that entire area and the tire tracks?

 

[deedee21]

Someone may have been joking? Fact is, there is NO exit from the O.I.B.A. at the end of that street.

Someone was kidding around. They said something about it being a lovers lane. It was a joke.

 

[Justiceforever]

I brought this over here from this thread (Posted by JustK)...

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

<respectfully snipped by JF> (ETA: I Found the links! Here is part of my post from 2012: ...a story about NYC cab/livery drivers who were rounded up because they were involved in transporting prostitutes, forcing them to be tattooed and more...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1449107.html

...A father/son team arrested in early April for allegedly operating a brutal sex trafficking business in Manhattan, branded their prostitutes with tattoos, according to the Manhattan District Attorney's office...

Another source:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...HvZSaTp1x3os4J

It does make sense to suspect a cab or livery driver or service employee near the motels. But transportation and cab drivers were not included in the title of this thread. Re: the cab or livery, I posted about a sting and arrest of a father/son, IIRC, who ran a car service that was really just a front for actually the scheduling, dropping off and the controlling of escorts and prostitutes...even branding the woman. It is here somewhere in one of our threads.

From the above links.

"The father and son (Vincent George Sr. and Vincent George Jr.) trafficked their women from Queens and from Allentown, Pa., into the city, forcing them to solicit johns at upscale hotel bars and outside of strip clubs, officials said."

The Huffington Post refers to them as brutal, cruel and psychologically abusing.

I find the whole cab/livery "driver" angle intriguing.

One thing that all of the (ID'd) victims (that I'm aware of) had in common, was that none of them had their own cars (except NY) Or did they? It just seems important.

Here's a pic of the cabbies that were involved.



(l-r) Sokol Perkaj, Ausama Ahmad, David Lombardo, Theo Jones, Qabari Gaber and Assaaf Nahomove sit shackled in a Manhattan court yesterday Photo: Steven Hirsch

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

I brought this over here from this thread (Posted by JustK)...

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community



From the above links.

"The father and son (Vincent George Sr. and Vincent George Jr.) trafficked their women from Queens and from Allentown, Pa., into the city, forcing them to solicit johns at upscale hotel bars and outside of strip clubs, officials said."

The Huffington Post refers to them as brutal, cruel and psychologically abusing.

I find the whole cab/livery "driver" angle intriguing.

One thing that all of the (ID'd) victims (that I'm aware of) had in common, was that none of them had their own cars (except NY) Or did they? It just seems important.

Here's a pic of the cabbies that were involved.

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(l-r) Sokol Perkaj, Ausama Ahmad, David Lombardo, Theo Jones, Qabari Gaber and Assaaf Nahomove sit shackled in a Manhattan court yesterday Photo: Steven Hirsch

Unfortunately - they did not get slapped with nearly as much time in prison as they truly deserved. All the girls swore up and down and inside out that these two were as good as gold...yaddda yadda yah
because they had been beaten down so bad by these horrible men.

The DA tried to present to the Judge "Stockholm Syndrome" about how the girls were in love with their pimps because their life depended on it. Unfortunately - the court didn't understand the severity of it all.

The conference I am going to is literally ON the NYC Courts that have just opened FOR victims of trafficking and to treat the victims as victims and get them the help they so desperately need. There will be judges there, as well as lawyers, and legal aid lawyers, and abolitionists like myself.

I'm thrilled that this Court has finally come into being. The only other court like it is in Las Vegas. We are the only two courts specifically intentionally made for victims of trafficking, and instead of getting tossed into Riker's Island, they get sent to a place for help and healing from their trauma.

It's about time!!!!!