Possible Victim: Maureen Brainard-Barnes, 25, missing July 2007, found Gilgo Beach Dec 2010 *POI Rex Heuermann*

So they’d take the Mannorville exit, then travel east on Mill and then south on HM road. That does seem the likely route as it lines up with easy right-side pull offs. But why leave JT in the open on that access road? He was either in a hurry or wanted her found. The site, by the way, is right next to a sump, which may be some sort of clue.
My feeling on this is that he travelled with them in the back of a dump truck with them wrapped in burlap and with sticks and debris on top and under and literally used the dump mechanism to dump them, thus the sticks etc on the bodies.
 
yes, I believe this was reported
here is a cut/paste from a post by Peter Brendt in 2012 on WS
"Admittedly, I am not sure about it. So keep that part with a grain of salt. What I noticed is, that the popping up of body parts went back much longer than just 2000. For example there were the legs found at Fire Island in 1996. I am not sure how they were connected or if at all, but under the assumption, they maybe were, we have a change and a back-change in 2000 till 2003.
Before, we had no staging, or at least none that I'm aware of. JD6's torso was put out in the open in trash bags along a way, hunters passed basically every day. That it took still months till somebody wondered about that trash bag isn't the killer's fault. The Killer assumed, hunters would be more observant.
So in 2003, with JT's body, Manorville got clearer. This time, he chose a pile of sticks on a path, where he would know, someone walked his dog regularly. And to make sure, right near the local illegal trash deposit. So while the rest of the MO remained the same, the staging of JT's body gives away far more knowledge not only of the place but also people who live there. Or in other words, after messing up in 2000 by the assumption hunter's would be observant, in 2003 another hand took over, either personally or with detailed instructions, how to get this job done. But the idea of detailed instructions indicate someone, who gives them and someone who receives them. So I was thinking that dynamic through".
 
I'm going to add that I think the LISK has season tickets to the Yankees. A lot of phone calls etc happened with the Yankees playing home games. Melissa disappeared from The Bronx on a Yankee home game night. I think he drives to the Yankee games, makes phone calls on the way there or the way back from congested areas of the city. I think his MO is that of a wealthy guy and having season tickets fits.
 
But there weren’t better hiding places. This person had been dumping bodies in this rough area probably since 1997. And although some body parts had been found, nothing overly alarming. Many of the bodies had been there years without detection.

If the Shannan incident hadn’t happened, they’d likely still be there or washed away by hurricane Sandy.

It was the best hiding place.
This...
 
Heres an article from the New York Post printed today:


Melissa Cann last saw her sister Maureen Brainard-Barnes alive in July 2007 when her sibling took the train from Connecticut into Manhattan and vanished.

“It’s been about 15 years since she went missing,” Cann, 37, told The Post. “It is crazy because if feels like it was yesterday. I was only 22.”

Her 25-year-old sister’s disappearance consumed most of Cann’s own young adulthood. Armed with Maureen’s emails, she made frequent trips to New York City trying to retrace her steps, pushed law enforcement to exhaust every resource and lost many nights of sleep.

“It took up a lot of my time, but I had to come to the realization that I wasn’t going to be the one to find her. I had to sit and wait and that was horrible,” Cann said.

In December 2010, Brainard-Barnes’ body was found on a stretch near Gilgo Beach, LI, along with three other women: Megan Waterman, 22, Melissa Barthelemy, 24, and Amber Lynn Costello, 27. They were all sex workers of petite stature, advertising their services on Craigslist. And their bodies were wrapped in burlap.

Since then, 11 bodies in all have been unearthed in the area. The grisly murders, believed to be the work of a serial killer or killers, have captivated the public, stumped local police and frustrated victims’ family members still waiting for an arrest.

Now Cann, a soft-spoken, married mother of five communicates with detectives weekly — or more often — and still clings to the idea that her sister’s killer will be brought to justice.

“I always feel hopeful. Without hope, what do you have?” she said.

Law enforcement doubles down

Cann said the pieces in place are now “solid.”

Earlier this month, Harrison held a press conference at the site of the gruesome dumping ground, vowing to solve the case.

“We will not rest until we bring those accountable to justice,” said Harrison, the former NYPD chief of department.

“There’s a commitment, a relentless pursuit to identify the individuals and bring them to justice. That’s for the family members to hear, to let them know that we will not rest, and we will make sure we do everything we have to do to hold them accountable.”

He added that there were “some great leads that are putting us in a great place to solve this case. We’re getting there but still some work needs to be done to get us across the finish line.”

Lorraine Ela, the mother of victim Megan Waterman, told The Post, she was “kind of skeptical” prior to watching Harrison’s press conference.

“I am tired of hearing the same crap come out of everyone’s mouth,” she said in an e-mail. “[But] I was very pleased with the words from Mr. Harrison. He seems to care for the victims. I believe Mr. Harrison will work this case with dignity.”

911 call could provide clues

Police initially found the remains of the first four women while searching for Jersey City resident Shannan Gilbert, a 24-year-old Craiglist escort who, after visiting a John in Oak Beach, made a frantic 23-minute call to 911 insisting someone was trying to kill her. “There’s someone after me … they’re trying to kill me,” she reportedly told the 911 operator. She was never seen alive again.

In December 2011, police located her remains in a nearby marsh. The official cause of her death is “undetermined,” and authorities have theorized she drowned or died of a drug overdose. But a 2016 independent autopsy said her death was “consistent with homicidal strangulation.”

Harrison also said he would release the 911 call to the public if it didn’t interfere with the police investigation.

Gilbert’s family attorney John Ray, who has heard the 911 tapes but is under a court order to not speak about the specific content, told The Post they would “shock the public.” He added we would learn the police’s account of Shannan’s death is “willfully false.” Law enforcement have previously said that two male voices can be heard in the background, said to be Gilbert’s driver and the man who hired her. (Both have been cleared by cops.)

Gilbert’s sister Sherre Gilbert has not heard them herself. Her mother, Mari, who was killed in 2016 by her schizophrenic daughter, Sarra, was given a transcript years ago. Sherre said she knows it would be “difficult to hear my sister’s last words. But anything to help her case.”

She hoped that in releasing the tapes, it would show her sister’s death was no accident and that she was frightened for her life.

And maybe it will provide a useful lead. “We want to know if the public can identify any other voices on the tapes,” Sherre added.

Other twisted phone calls gave investigators clues to the killer’s identity. Just days after Barthelemy’s disappearance on July 10, 2009, a man used her cellphone to call her little sister Amanda. In all, he made a handful of taunting calls, saying Barthelemy, who was living in the Bronx at the time, was a “*advertiser censored*.”

Cops traced some of the calls to Midtown Manhattan and Massapequa, which is 10 miles from Gilgo Beach.

Theories but no arrests

Over the years, the case has been saddled with scandals and sideshows that have sullied the investigation — and uncovered corruption among local officials.

In 2015, then-Suffolk County Police Chief James Burke was busted for the 2012 assault of a handcuffed suspect who swiped a bag of sex toys and *advertiser censored* from Burke’s trunk. The sordid incident was covered up by then District Attorney Thomas Spota, who was later sentenced to five years in the conspiracy. It was alleged that Burke stonewalled the FBI from getting involved in the investigation because they knew of his assault.

In that same year, the FBI officially joined the investigation, and in 2018, former FBI agent Geraldine Hart took over as commissioner. Using a database that collects DNA from genomics-services companies like 23andMe, they were able to identify Jane Doe 6 as Valerie Mack, a 24-year-old escort and mother of one.

Last year, the department released images of a black belt tied to one of the victims and believed to have been handled by a suspect. It was embossed with the initials “WH” or “HM.” They also launched GilgoNews.com to collect tips and provide updates.

The grim mystery has been fodder for countless documentaries, crime specials and even Netflix’s 2020 movie “Lost Girls,” based on a 2013 book by Robert Kolker delving into the lives of the victims. It’s also ignited the imagination of true-crime sleuths and produced a number of unfounded theories.

Some have speculated that Burke was somehow involved in the killings. Others have floated Dr. Peter Hackett, a former Oak Beach resident who called Gilbert’s mother and allegedly took care of her that night. (Police have cleared him, but the Gilberts filed a wrongful death suit against him in 2012. Hackett has denied involvement and the suit was tossed in 2018.)

Cann said she doesn’t buy any of the theories.

“Hey, it’s Burke, it’s Hackett. It’s none of them. Because if it was, one of them would have been arrested by now. I know for a fact these detectives want to solve this case,” she said, adding the speculation harms the investigation and stops the public from coming forward with tips because they think law enforcement has their guy.

“I want people to say if they saw my sister in New York City. I want them to put in a tip. Don’t think about the names that have been floated. There hasn’t been a suspect yet.”

Sherre echoed those sentiments: “We want to keep the public involved and get justice. They all deserve justice, not just Shannan.”

And as more time goes by since her loved one’s disappearance, Ela confronts another tough calendar milestone later this month.

“Megan’s birthday is January 18, and she would have been 34,” Ela wrote. “But [she’s] forever 22.”


New leads could finally solve gruesome Gilgo Beach murders
 
Some have speculated that Burke was somehow involved in the killings. Others have floated Dr. Peter Hackett, a former Oak Beach resident who called Gilbert’s mother and allegedly took care of her that night. (Police have cleared him, but the Gilberts filed a wrongful death suit against him in 2012. Hackett has denied involvement and the suit was tossed in 2018.)

Cann said she doesn’t buy any of the theories.

“Hey, it’s Burke, it’s Hackett. It’s none of them. Because if it was, one of them would have been arrested by now. I know for a fact these detectives want to solve this case,” she said, adding the speculation harms the investigation and stops the public from coming forward with tips because they think law enforcement has their guy.

“I want people to say if they saw my sister in New York City. I want them to put in a tip. Don’t think about the names that have been floated. There hasn’t been a suspect yet.”


So very true. Nothing wrong with insider theories, but when they're zealously stated like fact, it could cause some people to second-guess themselves and not submit their tips.
 
Mack went missing in summer 2000. Headless body discovered in April 2001.
JT went missing in early July 2003. Headless body discovered late July 2003.
The GB4 are a different story. We still don’t know when exactly they were placed there. Quite possible they were moved there together in 2010, 3months before discovery. I will acknowledge though that MBB and Melissa were well concealed for quite a long time.

The parts of Mack & Taylor found earlier were not at Gilgo/Oak Beaches or in the immediate area. The parts of them in those areas weren’t found until 2011 after the Shannan incident and discovery of the GB4. More parts of Peaches
and her entire child were also found around there in 2011 as was John Doe & parts of Jane Doe 7 who had some remains discovered in 1996 on Fire Island.

Parts of some victims being found in other places does not mean that Gilgo/Oak Beaches weren’t the best hiding places. It just means that LISK left some body parts in other places that WEREN’T the best hiding places.

The non-discovery of body parts in the Gilgo/Oak beach area going back probably to 1996 could also be a very strong indicator why LISK began using it as his sole dumping ground. They weren’t found and likely wouldn’t have been found if not for the Shannan incident. It was very clearly an EXTREMELY good hiding place.

The only caveat to that is the possibility they were stored elsewhere and distributed around that area when Shannan’s disappearance raised the heat and meant LISK had to move them away from a storage place that could be linked to him.
 
My feeling on this is that he travelled with them in the back of a dump truck with them wrapped in burlap and with sticks and debris on top and under and literally used the dump mechanism to dump them, thus the sticks etc on the bodies.

I think that is an extremely interesting idea. We have a phrase in the UK ‘Fly tipping’. It describes people who do not want to pay the proper fees legitimate disposal of industrial/agricultural/horticultural waste. It’s an industry often associated with Gypsies (often called travellers) in this country.

At the side of major roads when quiet in the dead of night is a favourite time for that and most would assume seeing what you describe was just that. Also the burlap would conceal the body totally going from vehicle to resting place. That could have legs.
 
If Cann is saying she has confidence it’s encouraging. She is intelligent, she’s kept herself up to date with everything in the case and fought so hard, as has Sherre. I really feel for those two. So much tragedy in their lives but they keep on fighting. I admire their strength.
 
I'm going to add that I think the LISK has season tickets to the Yankees. A lot of phone calls etc happened with the Yankees playing home games. Melissa disappeared from The Bronx on a Yankee home game night. I think he drives to the Yankee games, makes phone calls on the way there or the way back from congested areas of the city. I think his MO is that of a wealthy guy and having season tickets fits.
Did you match the days Amanda got the calls to the Yankees home games?
 
yes, this could also be a possibility. Also, on one of the nights, Britney Spears was playing at the Garden. She certainly fits his height criteria
 

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