Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by Bev, Sep 7, 2006.
Santa, Santa is coming...
no. I never touched these sweets Santa. I was a good boy.
According to JR only. The same man who told two officials separately that he read to JBR before tucking her in, and who told Arndt that BR and PR went immediately to bed when they arrived home. I wouldn't describe Burke playing before he went to bed as always being the narrative.
JR helping BR with a toy before bed. Yes.
BR getting up when everyone was kinda in bed. No.
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According to Dr Phil. JR is now saying something new, e.g. I think your dad had said he used the flashlight that night to put you to bed, and then you snuck downstairs to play?
So the unaswered question is who returned the flashlight to the kitchen as the last person known to hold it was JR, or is BR being setup to claim responsibility for that, note BR never said anything about using a flashlight?
The case might be PDI or JDI with the evidence being manipulated to fit BDI?
new forum person....
how is there credible doubt that patsy wrote that note? i think everything i'm aware of about it points to her. even had an accent on the word attache....... extremely well written note (i think by a woman) and she was a journalism grad so she's probably a very good writer.. i can't see a shifty sex offender type being a pristine writer in any way... and the handwriting apparently resembles hers in many ways.
not that much else about the case makes me feel strongly one way or another.... if there were no note i'd have no opinion as to what happened.
again as noted i'm new here.
are they any posters here that strongly believe in the intruder theory?
i mentioned that i don't have strong opinion without the ransom letter..... i will say that without the ransom letter i still think they know what happened to their daughter.
I do not believe there are any intruder theorists left outside of the Ramsey family.
We become fixed on what we don't have. The boot print is one of my favorite examples. Everyone keeps asking who the boot print belonged to. Since we don't know, I like to equate it to asking why the murderer didn't accidentally drop his/her driver's license at the crime scene. We cry over the information we're never going to get. Work with what you have.
I believe that John Ramsey is withholding information about what happened that night. He's held onto that information for 20 years. All that time, he's been under the care of a very smart attorney. Ask yourself why John would let this piece of information slip to Dr. Phil. He doesn't accidentally drop details about what happened that night and this is a fairly large piece of information. He denied having anything to do with the flashlight and now 20 years later, it was in his hand. Only, it wasn't in his hand because the way it was presented gives him deniability. "I didn't say that about that night. We were talking about another night."
If he drops a piece of information that big, anyone who picks it up and runs with it should assume they're being played.
Do you think it is possible that the "family" of the murderer is able to paint Ramseys guilty for this crime in their brains?
Let me apologize especially to UKGuy.
I have tunnel vision with this case right now. I've been putting all of my free time into this case. It's led me to have a closed mind. I shouldn't be posting here while I'm getting all of the final pieces together. I'm too close to my current theory and it's messing with me.
I've had to base it on the family dynamics and the events they went though leading up to the murder. It's fairly complex.
Sorry, my if recent responses have been a little out there. I shouldn't post responses here when my brain is on other things.
Don't worry about it, we all get hung up on aspects of the case, at least you are discussing stuff. On the footprint, it belongs to BR, he owned a pair of Hi Tec shoes, and admitted to Kolar as being present in the wine-cellar on Christmas Day opening his gifts.
That said, BR might be covering for forensic evidence left after everyone retired to their bedrooms on Christmas Night. Unrelated but something that crossed my mind: why would JR need to use a flashlight to put BR to bed, whats wrong with the standard wall lights?
Both can be true, and that's the irony of it.
They arrive home.
There is pineapple and a short play time.
PR says she has a few things to pack.
JR says he'll put the kids to bed and says to Burke 'come on bedtime, we've got an early start tomorrow, I'll get your sister settled and then I'll be in to tuck you in'.
Lights off downstairs.
BR goes up to his bedroom.
JR takes JBR to her bedroom and molests her. PR walks in and reacts, causing JBR's head injury. Both parents remain silent to protect themselves.
BR hears his mom shouting but then it goes quiet. The parents keep it low so that BR won't come over to see what's happened.
BR is waiting for his dad to come and tuck him in. He thinks they've forgotten and must have gone to bed. He creeps downstairs to play until his dad checks on him and finds him.
JR helps him finish his toy and takes him up to bed.
JR knows BR knows he was left waiting for a time and he invents a story for the cops he was reading to JBR.
A few months later they know pineapple was identified in JBR's digestive tract. They also know there are accusations JBR was molested before the night of her death. What's more important to them now, admitting JBR could have eaten pineapple, or averring JBR was fast asleep (could not have eaten pineapple), and JR spent no time alone with her in her bedroom reading to her?
Remember BR saying JBR walked up to bed.
Only, JR also said he read to BR that night. No one in the family went to bed that night.
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" He also admitted to being out of bed late the night his sister died.
Yeah, I had some toy that I wanted to put together. I remember being downstairs after everyone was in bed
wanting to get this thing out, Burke Ramsey said.
Did you use the flashlight so you wouldnt be seen? Dr. Phil followed up.
I dont remember. I just remember being downstairs with this toy, Burke replied.?"
or a glowworm?
or a dollar store night light?
Why even the need for the flashlight when the stairs to the second story and BR's room are a distance from and obstructed from JBR's room?
"11 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, it's possible.
12 I mean we came home after dark, we were tired.
13 I wouldn't -- Burke and I played in the living
14 room for a little bit."
shirt, underwear, but --
4 MIKE KANE: So you left the room, I
5 take it, you said you went to play with --
6 JOHN RAMSEY: I went to try to get
7 Burke to bed. He was downstairs in the living
8 room working on a toy.
9 MIKE KANE: So you went back in
10 that area, let me see, up here where her bedroom
11 was again?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: I went back, I came
13 down here, Burke was here on the floor. By the
14 Christmas tree.
15 MIKE KANE: Do you remember what it
16 was he was playing with?
17 JOHN RAMSEY: Some kind of
18 little square car elevator, you know, I don't
19 know, it was a -- something only a child would
20 appreciate, but it was like a car, garage repair
21 thing, elevators run up and down and stuff,
22 little micro cars.
23 MIKE KANE: When you took him up to
24 bed, I imagine you went up that front steps?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.
1 MIKE KANE: To the bedroom?
2 JOHN RAMSEY: Right.
3 MIKE KANE: I see we are back in
4 that back part of the house?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: No.
6 MIKE KANE: All right. And from
7 that point, you -- did you go right to your
9 JOHN RAMSEY: I think so.
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