Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #4

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I was just saying tell the whole story. So if you received money or a acting gig then say it. Btw. Some continued to date him. So why do i have to believe all of them.

Does telling the whole story include the alleged victims describing what they were wearing at the time of the alleged attacks?

IOW How is any of that germane? IMO your comments smack of victim blaming.
 
'Bill Cosby grabbed my waist at college track event and said "Back that thing up girl, back it on up" then rubbed against me': Shamed comedian hit by new abuse claims

Two more women come forward publicly to accuse Cosby of sexual abuse with one alleging she was raped when she went for an audition

Other woman, married Donna Barrett, tells how he grabbed her from behind as they were photographed at at University of Pennsylvania event

Lawyer Gloria Allred spoke at New York press conference and said there are even more victims still planning to come forward


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...edian-hit-new-abuse-claims.html#ixzz3pR0rVYTq
 
All I'm saying is that they didn't have to publicly say anything. He wasn't their Jared Fogle. They could have told him privately and that's it. But they are simply looking for new donors. So they publicly out him with the hopes that a Gates or a Zuckerberg comes along and shows financial support for them outting Cosby.

So lets not act like the university didn't have an agenda by publicly doing that. Jmo

For all we know, they did offer to return BC's donations, and for the tax reasons mentioned earlier, he declined the refund. We don't know what discussions may have taken place between BC and any colleges to whom he made donations over the years.
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Idk. I can believe some. But not all, if money was transacted after. Jmo

I am a concerned that I may have misunderstood some of your posts.

Are you saying that BC tossing money to at a woman in order to humiliate, embarrass, and demean her makes her a prostitute rather than making him an arrogant, self centred, malicious SOB? And since when does having a sexual encounter with one man make a woman a prostitute?

Are you saying that prostitutes can't be abused or raped if, after the abuse occurs, the rapist throws money at them? Also, aren't financial transactions regarding sex negotiated before the event happens, not after?

IMO, if BC had given anyone "hush money", his action adds to the evidence that he had done something that needed to be hushed up. It doesn't make the woman he was bribing a prostitute. It makes BC a man who feels the need to hide his actions from his wife or his audience or his colleagues or the tabloids.

Similarly, being an actress does not automatically mean a woman is a prostitute. Being paid as an actress for work done as an actress is not the same thing as being paid for consensual, contracted sexual intimacies.

By the way, if BC had wanted the services of a professional sex worker for consensual, paid for sexual acts, she would have cost him a lot more than a few thousand dollars. IIRC, BC was of at least the same status and wealth as say, Charlie Sheen, so he could have connected easily with sex workers who would usually only be available to someone on that financial level. One of the Hollywood Madam's prostitutes said she was making $10,000 a day, plus jewellery, plus clothes. The money BC is alleged to have tossed at his alleged victims does not begin to compare.

You have said that if a post secondary institution rescinds an honorary degree it previously bestowed on BC, it should return all the money, if any, that BC handed over to the institution in return for a piece of paper with his name and a "title" on it. Not all institutions grant degrees for cash. However, assuming that money changed hands, I think you are mistaken if you are assuming that the only benefit BC received from the honorary degree was the piece of paper and possibly a plaque hung on some wall.

Just as the institution benefitted from BC's supposed largesse at the time of the transaction, BC himself benefitted from the transaction in several ways over the years. IMO, in addition to the obvious tax deductions which would have been part of his financial planning, BC received such intangible benefits as: increased access to other benefactors of the institution with whom he would otherwise not have been associated; increased access to social circles with which he would not otherwise have been associated; recognition of his increased status by the press and public of these honours--the honorary degrees showed others that he was much more than an actor, or producer; professional networking possibilities; free publicity which extended from the buildup before his appearance at the institution to his post-acceptance speech; a veneer a academic respectability; a bully pulpit from which to launch his questionable sociological theories (which many have criticized as outright attacks on poor black mothers); an appearance of having achieved academic success which entitled him to be referred to by those of lesser rank as "Dr. Cosby"; reinforcement of his public persona as a generous mentor and father figure; a cloak with which to cover his cruelty to his own son until that young man's learning disability was diagnosed and proven to BC; a cloak to hide his intentional throwing of his drug addicted daughter to the tabloids in exchange for their silence about the allegations being made about him; the protection of the "halo effect"--how could someone who did so much good for his community ever be such a control freak that he preferred to abuse young vulnerable women when they were incapable of giving their consent; increased connections within a racial community which allowed him to speak as an authority within that community without having put in any additional time within that community, and without him having to deal with the consequences of his theories; access to more potential victims during events which he attended at different colleges and universities as a result of being associated with those institutions because he held an honorary degree.

IMO, BC got his money's worth. If the institutions used the money they received from BC in the financial transaction with him for the purposes that were initially proposed in the terms and conditions of that transaction, then, IMO, they fulfilled their side of the bargain. BC got a connection to an established academic institution and all the intangible benefits that went with it and the institution got cash and a little publicity. That an institution's reputation could possibly be tarnished by such an association was probably not covered in the terms and conditions, but undoubtedly was a concern to some board and faculty members as well as students. Under these extreme and unusual circumstances, I think an institution could put up a strong case against returning any money to BC.
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...y-accusers-go-public-total-nears-60/74477228/


Dottye said her encounter with Cosby took place in 1984, when she sought out Cosby to audition for a role on The Cosby Show at his New York home. When she got there, he gave her a drink to relax, and she became sick and disoriented. She said he helped her take off her clothes to wash up, then raped her multiple times.

"I couldn’t believe the man I respected as an actor and educator was doing this to me," she said. "I couldn’t understand why I could not, did not, fight him off. I could not believe what was happening to me." Then he escorted her to the door and left her to make her way home to New Jersey on her own.

Days later, she said, he invited her to watch the taping of his show, and she agreed because, as an actress, writer and director, she wanted to learn from him, even if she no longer placed him on a pedestal.

"I did not go to the police because at that time, I thought somehow I had let him do what he did," she said. "I didn’t protest and I was too embarrassed to tell anyone of this shame I felt. Anyway, he was Bill Cosby! Who would believe me?"

Eventually, she received a personalized Cosby Show jacket meant for cast and crew. She wanted to burn it but now is glad she didn't.

"It is a statement that I was there," she said. "I am not lying."
 
I just thought of something...

Perhaps this whole case against BC will help change the laws... Or start a new one...

Rape cases should not have a statute of limitation...

Can you imagine... The legacy that BC is trying so hard to hold onto... Will actually be one of "Bill Cosby's Law"...

:thinking:
 
The clearest indication in the book that Cosby has seriously unpalatable views about women, is the way in which he uniformly categorizes them as “ugly” or “beautiful”, and wives or *advertiser censored*.

After a party at which he presses himself up against various girls – the extent of what was allowed, he says, at parties in that era – he muses on a dilemma: that the kind of girlfriend he might want to have sex with is distinct from the kind of wife he might want to keep house. “Did I want a home and a family or 50 years of good pressing?”

The answer he may have came up with was that, with a little compartmentalizing and a lot of money for legal fees, he could have both.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/25/bill-cosby-love-and-marriage-book-self-deception
 
Now here's something interesting.. NBC originally wanted Cosby to play the womanizing bartender, Sam Malone, on Cheers:

http://www.imdb.com/news/ni59011248/

If this had actually happened, maybe Cosby wouldn't have had such a squeaky clean image for all these years.
 
Is the number of victims that have come forward now past 60? 70? Has anyone seen an updated list with timeline since the first 20+ came forward? Thanks.
 
Is the number of victims that have come forward now past 60? 70? Has anyone seen an updated list with timeline since the first 20+ came forward? Thanks.

Dang, that's a good question Monkey! I've lost count but it must be somewhere around 60, if not more. Gloria Allred said there were more victims to come just a couple days ago so BC must know his goose is cooked at this point lol. I wonder what Mr. Singer has to say about being kicked to the curb.
 
A poster on IMDb made a current list of accusers -- 59 total:

1.Janice Dickinson
2.Renita Chaney Hill
3.Carla Ferigno
4.Linda Joy Trautz
5.Lachele Convington
6.Barbara Bowman
7.Louisa Moritz
8.Michaelle Hurd
9.Joan Tarshi
10.Andrea Constand
11.Tamera Luner Green
12.Beth Ferrier
13.Shawn Upshawn-Brown
14.Theresa Sergnese
15.Angela Leslie
16.Jewel Allison
17.Joyce Emmons
18.Victoria Valentino
19.Kristina Ruehli
20.Donna Motsinger
21.{Jena T.} Jennifer Kay Kaya Thompson
22.Judy Huth
23.Helen Hayes
24.Chelan Lasha
25.P.J. Masten
26.Beverly Johnson
27.Chloe Goins
28.Katherine Mckee
29.Kacey
30.Linda Kirpatrick
31.Lynn Neal
32.Cindra Ladd
33.Helen Gumpel-Selby
34.Linda Brown
35.Lise-Lotta Lublin
36.Heidi Thomas
37.Patricia
38.Sunni Welles
39.Margie Shaprio
40.Janice Baker-Kinney
41.Marcella Tate
42.Autumn Burns
43.Charlotte Laws
44.Lili Bernard
45.Sainta Butterfield
46.Beth Ferrier
47.Renita Chaney-Hill
48.Lisa Jones(was lisa on Dr. Phill)
49.Sammi Mays
50.Coleen Hughes
51.Linda Ridgeway
52.Eden Tiri
53.Elizabeth (flight attendant)
54.Charlotte Fox
55.Sharon Van Ert
56.Pamela Abeyta
57.Lisa Christie
58.Dottye
59.Donna Barrett
 
You're welcome, monkey222. Yeah, it's weird seeing all the names listed like that. More to come, too.
 

Springfield College revokes Bill Cosby's honorary doctorate

By Ray Kelly | rkelly@repub.com
on October 26, 2015 at 12:12 PM, updated October 26, 2015 at 12:16 PM


The Springfield College Board of Trustees agreed on Sunday to revoke the honorary Doctor of Humanics degree conferred on comedian Bill Cosby in 2002.

..."I believe that, by his own admission, he has shown a lack of character and integrity that is inconsistent with our Humanics philosophy, which is the foundation of a Springfield College education," said Mary-Beth Cooper, Springfield College president. "I am in full support of this decision."

Read more: http://www.masslive.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2015/10/springfield_college_bill_cosby.html
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...y-accusers-go-public-total-nears-60/74477228/


Dottye said her encounter with Cosby took place in 1984, when she sought out Cosby to audition for a role on The Cosby Show at his New York home. When she got there, he gave her a drink to relax, and she became sick and disoriented. She said he helped her take off her clothes to wash up, then raped her multiple times.

"I couldn’t believe the man I respected as an actor and educator was doing this to me," she said. "I couldn’t understand why I could not, did not, fight him off. I could not believe what was happening to me." Then he escorted her to the door and left her to make her way home to New Jersey on her own.

Days later, she said, he invited her to watch the taping of his show, and she agreed because, as an actress, writer and director, she wanted to learn from him, even if she no longer placed him on a pedestal.

"I did not go to the police because at that time, I thought somehow I had let him do what he did," she said. "I didn’t protest and I was too embarrassed to tell anyone of this shame I felt. Anyway, he was Bill Cosby! Who would believe me?"

Eventually, she received a personalized Cosby Show jacket meant for cast and crew. She wanted to burn it but now is glad she didn't.

"It is a statement that I was there," she said. "I am not lying."

Okay Donjeta. What do you think. Why would she go to the taping after watching him rape her.

She said just cause she no longer had him on a pedestal didn't mean she should miss the taping. Come on.

I say it again. I may believe some. But not all. Jmo
 
I believe she answered your question by saying "she agreed because, as an actress, writer and director, she wanted to learn from him,".

It seems like your sole basis for not believing she was raped is because she did something as a rape victim that you yourself cannot imagine doing. But we know that time and again how people react when actually confronted with a situation is not the same as how they theorize they would respond.
 
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