MN Red Wing and Old Frontenac - Baby Boy and Baby Girl Doe. He was found Dec'03, and she was Nov'99

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  1. NYCGenealogist

    NYCGenealogist New Member

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    This case bothers me a great deal, and has had little to no attention here- I've only found a side mention of it in a very old post about a similar, unrelated case in the same area.

    On November 4, 1999, fishermen discovered the body of a newborn baby girl was found near the docks on the shore of the Mississippi River in the town of Red Wing, Minnesota. Her umbilical cord was still attached and she was wrapped in a white towel, which was still floating in the river. She had been born alive, and dumped in the river about a week before she was found.

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    As we all know, dumped babies are sadly not unusual. The police tried to find the mother- at first dozens of tips were coming in, but no one matched the crime. They had either never been pregnant, or their alibis checked out. The others were exonerated by DNA.

    The case went cold. A family who had lost a child "adopted" the baby girl and gave her a burial. People forgot and time went on.

    Then, on the afternoon of December 7, 2003, teenaged girls on a church hike in Frontenac, a town near Red Wing, discover the body of a baby boy floating just off the shore of Lake Pepin. The police are called. Detective Pat Thompson said later:

    “In both cases we have the victims, apparently both dumped in the water. No witnesses and little, if any, physical evidence. Based on the facts we had at the time the second baby was discovered, we believed we had two separate cases. At least that’s what we thought.”
    The only clue to the boy's identity is a blue towel found at the crime scene. He was, at the most, two weeks old.

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    DNA is run, in the hopes that the police will get a lead. And a match appears- to the baby discovered in 1999. According to the DNA, the two infants share a mother.

    There are no leads on who this woman is. Personally, I think that she will just keep doing this again and again. Psychologists on the case characterize her as impulsive, in denial, and possibly suffering from postpartum psychosis.

    The boy was buried beside his sister by the same family. Another, unrelated, infant found in similar circumstances in 2007 was also buried with them.

    News link: The river of secrets around one mother and two floating Minnesota babies | City Pages

    Her NAMUS entry: Unidentified Person Case
    His NAMUS entry: Unidentified Person Case
     
  2. Owutatangledweb

    Owutatangledweb Well-Known Member

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    So so sad. I wonder if the woman who did this has any living children. So hard to fathom the circumstances under which someone could do this.
     
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  3. NYCGenealogist

    NYCGenealogist New Member

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    I have a few theories.

    1. That she did this on her own, either due to postpartum psychosis (as suggested in the article) or another mental illness. The infants' postmortems didn't indicate any maternal drug use.

    2. That she is being held captive by someone who is impregnating her. In this case, there would have to be more than one man involved as the children didn't share a paternal match.

    In either situation, my deep fear is that these two are only the babies that have been found- that more were thrown into the water in other locations, or swept away.
     
  4. fidgeypie

    fidgeypie Member

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    Oh my gosh how sad. Poor children. Following this thread. I guess they don't know if the children shared the same father?
     
  5. NYCGenealogist

    NYCGenealogist New Member

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    The two do not share the same father. And neither father was related to the shared mother.
     
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  6. NYCGenealogist

    NYCGenealogist New Member

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    BLANK - never mind
     
  7. meanmaryjean

    meanmaryjean Verified RN (Pediatrics Specialty)

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    Postpartum psychosis is highly unlikely as the female was newly born (cord still attached). Rarely, does PPS begin in the first few days after birth. Usual onset is in the first few weeks (2-6)
    As much as I would like to be sympathetic, the fact remains that not once but TWICE the same woman gave birth and threw her child in the river, murdering them.
     
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  8. NYCGenealogist

    NYCGenealogist New Member

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    This was my impression as well- I was only saying that because the doctor quoted in the article mentioned it.

    So either we're dealing with someone who is quite literally just dumping babies, or a situation where a woman is being held captive and used as a sex slave/being pimped out.

    I spoke to someone from the area and he explained that there isn't a homeless population there- it's a very, very small town and rural area. He also said that a local theory was that both babies were tossed in on the Wisconsin side of the river and washed ashore in Red Wing/Old Frontenac.

    The fact that the boy stayed alive longer sort of indicates to me that it was the mother doing this- maybe she regretted the first one, tried to keep the second, and then changed her mind? But then why not take advantage of safe haven laws?
     
  9. RememberingRyan

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    While this obviously happened at least twice and may have happened more than that, I don't think that two cases from 15 and 19 years ago is reason to believe that this person is currently continuing this pattern.
     
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  10. fidgeypie

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    Gotcha thanks.
     
  11. NYCGenealogist

    NYCGenealogist New Member

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    Yes, but if the woman is being held captive, she still could be being victimized. And even if she isn't, knowing who did this isn't minor.

    Just because it happened 15, 19 years ago doesn't mean it doesn't matter.
     
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  12. fidgeypie

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    I've just seen a reddit post that links four babies found.
     
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  13. NYCGenealogist

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    Yes; the two more recent babies aren't related genetically, and both bodies were abandoned differently.
     
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  14. Owutatangledweb

    Owutatangledweb Well-Known Member

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    Those same two things also crossed my mind.
     
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  15. fidgeypie

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    Yes that's very true
     
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    YaYa_521 Every Body's Name Matters

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    Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP4795
    Female, White
    / Caucasian
    Date Found. November 4, 1999
    Location Found. Red Wing, Minnesota
    Estimated Age Range 0-12 Months

    Estimated Age Group Infant
    Estimated Age Range (Years) 0-1
    Estimated Year of death. 1999
    Height. 1' 9"(21 inches) , Measured
    Weight 6 lbs, Estimated
    Hair Straight, brown hair
    Eye Description Irides are dark in color
    Other distinctive physical characteristic - Feet are 8 cm in length.
    The body was wrapped in a towel.

    Street Address
    10 yards North of Levee Dr
    Red Wing, Minnesota 55066
    Goodhue County

    Circumstances of Recovery
    A full term infant with umbilical cord still attached was found 10 yds north of the Mississippi shore near 800 Levee Dr, Redwing MN. The body showed slight signs of decomposition upon discovery. The infant had not been in the water for long. The race of the decedent is most likely white. This infant is genetically related maternally to the decedent in case# GC03-127.
     
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    YaYa_521 Every Body's Name Matters

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    Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP4796
    Female, White
    / Caucasian
    Date Found. March 26, 2007
    Location Found. Red Wing, Minnesota
    Estimated Age Range. 0-12 Months

    Estimated Age Group Infant
    Estimated Age Range (Years) 0-1
    Estimated Year of Death. 2007
    Height. 1' 9"(21 inches) , Measured
    Weight. 6 lbs, Measured
    Hair Color. Black, 3cm in length
    Eyes - The color of the irides cannot be ascertained due to decomposition.
    Inventory of Remains
    . All parts recovered
    Condition of Remains. Not recognizable - Decomposing/putrefaction

    Street Address
    Treasure Island Marina
    Red Wing, Minnesota 55066
    Goodhue County

    Circumstances of Recovery
    The infant was found in the Buffalo Slough of the Mississippi River at the Treasure Island Marina (Slip 36, Dock C). The infant was near term/term with no apparent congenital abnormalities. The infant appears to be of Caucasian descent and not a member of the Prairie Island tribe. Estimated time of being in the water was from a few weeks from discovery of the body to the previous fall or winter (2006).
     
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