Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 31

[DebinGA]

One new to me thing from yesterday's testimony was JA's repeated use of crying to keep her men from leaving (TA, Daryl, Matt). I picture scary, alarming, ear piercing, I'll-kill-myself, histrionic crying.

 

[Val1]

Paul Sanders (13th Juror) says JA was whispering to MDLR throughout Dr. DeMarte's testimony. I hope jurors are noticing things like that. If she hasn't already sought advice about how to safely separate from JA post-verdict, surely MDLR will now.

He also mentioned that MDLR will be the one to escort JA on her final walk, should this jury give it to her... maybe she thinks she's already got that covered, we all know restraining orders seldom work, especially when you don't know which wacko "friend" might be calling. I read on someone's tweet that apparently MDLR was a victim's advocate, for a year, before she jumped fence, anyone know anything about that?

 

[TexMex]

One new to me thing from yesterday's testimony was JA's repeated use of crying to keep her men from leaving (TA, Daryl, Matt). I picture scary, alarming, ear piercing, I'll-kill-myself, histrionic crying.

Matt, Daryll and Travis reported she was whiny and cried a lot

 

[DebinGA]

DeMarte also blew up the stories Of Jodi's own reporting of DV by Travis

information of domestic violence only comes from the defendant. No one has corroborated that it existed. Secondly, the testing documentation shows too many inconsistencies. She had four dates that she claims abuse happened but the incidents are documented as different dates. Thirdly, the reasoning and content behind the incidents has inconsistent stories. For example, the night she allegedly broke her finger, she claims it was the result of losing her job yet reports to another psychologist that it was the result of money issues. Finally, none of Travis Alexander’s relationships with anyone showed any sign of domestic violence

I think my favorite was JA telling DrD that as TA was choking the life out of her, after viciously body-slamming her to the ground, she briefly thought about scratching his eyes, but she couldn't do it as she loved him so.

 

[Wizzy]

I agree that he'll try to go after DM on lack of DV and PTSD expertise ....that's what JW did last time.

What he'll do with BPD is more difficult for him. The beauty of DM's testimony yesterday is how much she was able to present about what really happened between Travis and JA and how JA terrorized Travis, all by using the narrative of how each data point illustrated a symptom of BPD.

The damage done to the DT wasn't DM's thoroughly convincing diagnosis of BPD. That helped, not harmed the DT. What was devastating was all that revealing info about JA, since it provided a completely different version of.....everything.

So, I'd guess that Nurmi attacks her interpretation of those underlying incidents. Example: Travis told Regan he felt stalked. Nurmi-- well, we know Travis wasn't being honest with anyone about the fact he was still having sex with her. He was having sex with her and at the same time telling his friends she was stalking him. How can you even believe what's he saying to one of the many GF's he had, much less use this to diagnose her?

I agree with you 100%. I know some think that he wasn't having sex with her, but I think the sex tape says otherwise. He also might bring in time lines to prove his point.

 

[BritsKate]

I agree that he'll try to go after DM on lack of DV and PTSD expertise ....that's what JW did last time.

What he'll do with BPD is more difficult for him. The beauty of DM's testimony yesterday is how much she was able to present about what really happened between Travis and JA and how JA terrorized Travis, all by using the narrative of how each data point illustrated a symptom of BPD.

The damage done to the DT wasn't DM's thoroughly convincing diagnosis of BPD. That helped, not harmed the DT. What was devastating was all that revealing info about JA, since it provided a completely different version of.....everything.

So, I'd guess that Nurmi attacks her interpretation of those underlying incidents. Example: Travis told Regan he felt stalked. Nurmi-- well, we know Travis wasn't being honest with anyone about the fact he was still having sex with her. He was having sex with her and at the same time telling his friends she was stalking him. How can you even believe what's he saying to one of the many GF's he had, much less use this to diagnose her?

It's Travis Da Playa versus manipulative Jodi in continual pursuit, even when it works against her. My concern is that Nurmi will use Travis Da Playa as reasoning for Jodi's behaviors. Would she have slashed his tires if he'd been open and honest about their relationship? What would the effect of not being validated in a relationship have on BPD? Would she have exhibited intrusive behaviors if he acted trustworthy? And so on...

If he goes that route, my head's gonna explode. There's ample reason why people in a relationship with someone personality disordered need help to walk them through the 'crazy', to help them learn to identify manipulative behaviors, and equip them with tools of self-protection.

 

[Val1]

How long did it take most of us--including me--to understand that they likely didn't ever have a committed relationship, even the pitifully short one she described? Really, not til Abe's testimony. Which fundamentally changed perspectives on the reality of the sex stuff.

And that's in spite of the huge amount of information we have and the jury doesn't. I don't think very many jurors, if any, will believe there was NO sex after JA moved to Mesa. And they would be wrong if they believed that. They did have at least some version of intimate contact on at least several occasions. Travis said so himself (not the details ) to at least one friend- Taylor Searle.

I always suspected there was a large gap between what JA claimed compared to what even TA said to his friends. Sounded to me like TA just didn't know what to do with her and his concept of sexual relations was surely far different than what JA's would have been. ie. I've read on here that some believe that even kissing outside of marriage was/is wrong and from the sounds of it this "grinding" was pretty much the closest any would get to the actual act of penetration and then JA comes along ... TA was way out of his league imo.

 

[LambChop]

Today's court session thread is open for posting. This thread will close in 10 minutes.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?270341-Retrial-for-Sentencing-of-Jodi-Arias-Day-32

 

[DebinGA]

Matt, Daryll and Travis reported she was whiny and cried a lot

I picture JA weepy and whiney over things like "I called you 100 times. Where were you?"... "You like (insert name of any female under 60), don't you?" ... but I picture a different level of JA "crying" when they announced "It's over, Jodi." or "Please let go of my leg, Jodi. This Ryder truck has to be returned by 6:00".

 

[Hope4More]

DeMarte also blew up the stories Of Jodi's own reporting of DV by Travis

information of domestic violence only comes from the defendant. No one has corroborated that it existed. Secondly, the testing documentation shows too many inconsistencies. She had four dates that she claims abuse happened but the incidents are documented as different dates. Thirdly, the reasoning and content behind the incidents has inconsistent stories. For example, the night she allegedly broke her finger, she claims it was the result of losing her job yet reports to another psychologist that it was the result of money issues. Finally, none of Travis Alexander’s relationships with anyone showed any sign of domestic violence

IMO, here's where the DT is genuinely screwed. Their only explanation for why Travis abused JA and no other of his GF's is the pedo lie.

Not their best bet to keep pushing that lie, but somehow I think they will. They've trotted out a shiny new explanation this time around... that Travis did abuse other GF's..he beat Deanna and the many other GF's he emotionally abused are just too stupid to recognize they've been abused. That didn't work out so well for them.

Pedo lie? Don't explain why JA?

 

[Tiger09]

God, I hope Jodi Arias didn't defile any good music. She doesn't seem creative enough to know anything about music though. I'm still like no about the MMA being too violent, so let's read the Bible- oh wait love interest likes it.... me tooooo! I mean, she's not the first girl to do that, but not to the extreme of I find this just disgusting, but omg he likes it so squee! Unless you're 15 or a really socially awkward person with no people experience.

If only someone left the book "Toxic People" on Travis's door. Then hit Jodi in the head with the book "He's Just Not That Into You."

 

[bsk]

Today's court session thread is open for posting. This thread will close in 10 minutes.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?270222-Retrial-for-Sentencing-of-Jodi-Arias-Day-31

Something's messed up here.

 

[Val1]

It's Travis Da Playa versus manipulative Jodi in continual pursuit, even when it works against her. My concern is that Nurmi will use Travis Da Playa as reasoning for Jodi's behaviors. Would she have slashed his tires if he'd been open and honest about their relationship? What would the effect of not being validated in a relationship have on BPD? Would she have exhibited intrusive behaviors if he acted trustworthy? And so on...

If he goes that route, my head's gonna explode. There's ample reason why people in a relationship with someone personality disordered need help to walk them through the 'crazy', to help them learn to identify manipulative behaviors, and equip them with tools of self-protection.

Let him try, all JM has to do is start posting all the times throughout pretty much all of 2007 and into 2008 where JA says she's not in love with TA anymore and isn't even sexually attracted to him anymore, says she doesn't want to marry him, so why would she even care if he's dating someone else? You'd think she'd be clapping for joy that he's with someone else so that she can escape from his sexual demands... the ones where she shows up at 3am in his bed.

 

[cricket49]

No matter how bothered jurors might have been watching JA yesterday, I'm convinced the DT knew she needed a babysitter to keep her from exhibiting far more alarming behavior....like staring at DM with murderous expressions flashing across her face.

Good point.

 

[Sweetiemom]

Here's a link to today's thread:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?270341-Retrial-for-Sentencing-of-Jodi-Arias-Day-32

 

[Hope4More]

It's Travis Da Playa versus manipulative Jodi in continual pursuit, even when it works against her. My concern is that Nurmi will use Travis Da Playa as reasoning for Jodi's behaviors. Would she have slashed his tires if he'd been open and honest about their relationship? What would the effect of not being validated in a relationship have on BPD? Would she have exhibited intrusive behaviors if he acted trustworthy? And so on...

If he goes that route, my head's gonna explode. There's ample reason why people in a relationship with someone personality disordered need help to walk them through the 'crazy', to help them learn to identify manipulative behaviors, and equip them with tools of self-protection.

BK...could you please repost this on the new thread? I can't copy and paste on my phone, want to reply, but am still bruised from the recent past of thread doors slamming closed on me as I typed....

 

[LambChop]

I think it appears that TA did have some sexual contacts with JA but I do not think it was to the extent that JA claims. TA is telling his friend he and JA had not been an item for a year. This email exchange had to have been pretty close to his death. I believe the sex call was just that and nothing more. He could have been giving her what she wanted and he had no intention of ever seeing her again. Let's not forget she owed him a lot of money for the damage to the BMW. jmo

 

[bettybaby00]

I believe that very often the State and Defense experts cancel one another out with each saying the opposite of the other. The jurors will remember Demarte because it is through her that indirect testimony (of those who knew Travis and Arias) has been presented to them. This along with the autopsy photos and Arias' lack of remorse is what you have going for the State.

The mitigating factors that will stand out are her age, lack of criminal history and the BPD. I don't think the jurors are going to have a deep and technical discussion on BPD. There might be a few who will hesitate to sentence a 'mentally ill' woman to death. The others will help them understand that the defendant does know the difference between right and wrong and is not clinically insane.

To put it simply, it will be a battle between the horrific nature of the crime/lack of remorse versus Arias being a younger, white woman. If the jurors are courageous enough then we will have a DP verdict.

IA they do usually cancel each other out, yet Dr. Ds testimony is so strong and offers a more legitimate of JA and the relationship that Its quite possible the jurors won't give equal weight to the dialing testimonies.

I almost wish Juan would get a DV expert to refute those put up by the DT. I really don't think he would have any difficulty getting a reputable, experienced DV expert to state that there were no signs of DV, and that a strong argument can be made that in fact Travis was the abuse victim, and that the stalking murderess was relentless.

MOO

 

[TartLemon]

Perhaps internal GPS wasn't standard in 2008?

http://murderpedia.org/female.A/images/arias-jodi/jodi-arias-court-docs-2.pdf

Jury questions:
"4) Did you look into the possibility of renting a GPS system along with the rental car?
A: I believe it was offered, they are typically offered when I rent a car, um but it costs more,
and I was trying to save money. "

http://www.realitychatter.com/t4305p450-jodi-arias-trial-for-the-murder-of-travis-alexander-17

"I'm not sure of all the car rental co's, but we have offices for Hertz, & Enterprise in our bldgs. In the newer cars 2011 on for both Co's there is the internal GPS system. Enterprise & Hertz can access the system & see where the car has been."

The equipment you can buy at RadioShack (TomTom, Magellan, Garmin) for giving in-cab specific directions was extra, but the LoJack was on every rental vehicle by the time JA rented her car. The rental company could have found the vehicle if abandoned or stolen.