Australia Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat 100km NW of Melbourne, 4 Feb 2024 #7

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exactly, so much speculation!
IMO it seems highly unlikely it was a planned attack.
If the video that is floating around is in fact the accused taken on the eve/morning of SM's disappearance it seems highly unlikely to me that he would have been in any condition to carry out a pre-planned attack...
wasnt that video filmed in january this year? not the night before? and im wondering if its just sensationalising by msm who are calling his drinking etc a bender and it was just a normal night out for him?
 
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Could have easily parked there next to the tower…tradie type vehicle … might have worn tradie hi-viz top .. sitting there appearing to be on his phone … prior to starting out some ‘electrical maintenance work ‘ on the tower installation .
An innocent non alarming scenario for anyone passing ..IMO.
Possible, however someone on a bender probably hasn't been to sleep and the thought process may not have been able to reason this out. I know of people on benders who have driven from the Gold Coast to the Sunshine Coast and all over Brisbane for 4 days no sleep. He had no knowledge of doing it. When confronted with 16 CCTVs of him in various places he said, yeah that's me. I must have been there.
 
Hmm.. perhaps SM deliberately being run down is not as far fetched as I originally thought.
Just came across this article, also Victoria. Seems some people do behave like this just for fun...

‘Hit him’: Melbourne teen allegedly egged on before mowing down cyclist in stolen car
What these youths did, purposefully hitting these cyclist possibly causing severe physical/mental injuries - and committing and covering up a murder are slightly different. Concerning none the less.
 
Being a deliberate act, would the incident depicted become a murder if the cyclists died?
Yes, and although the circumstances are centainly different, I was interested to see what the charges would be.
I can only see mention of car theft charges for the passenges though, and even still if they were 'egging him on' to hit someone, Id have expected more then just car theft!
 
Being a deliberate act, would the incident depicted become a murder if the cyclists died?
With a multitude of factors to consider such as the age of the offender, the mental heath capacity of the offender, drug/alcohol use, previous criminal history, it is difficult to say if they would be charged with murder or not. Certainly the intent is present, but i cannot say for certain if it would be murder or a lesser charge, manslaughter, culpable driving, dangerous driving causing death etc.
 
Hi Toowong(s) and Bearbear - I’m along similar lines initially as per your: “currently, in my opinion and all allegedly, im thinking he knew who sm was, had seen her on runs, around town and remembered her from school, she was a local, she may have acknowledged him whenever they passed on the track, he may have become obsessed with her and on the morning he was walking through to get his car she ran past, smiled hello at him and on impulse he decided to assault her, she fought back and he killed her” …

But then I’m really stuck as I don’t think he told anyone, and I’d be surprised if he left her body in that spot to go get his vehicle.

I’ll go out on a limb here & say I think Police knew by 21st Feb that Samantha was deceased. They called off the search & brought in extra police from specialised units - they downplayed the ‘unit speciality’ but spoke of the ‘skills’ those people had . .. interesting to consider what skills may be needed in those units. ( I think they will have also told MM of the likelihood that she was gone)

We’ve heard there’s a lot of cameras around the area so quite possibly the ‘assault’ etc was all caught on CCTV. ..it may’ve captured him carrying her body away - but camera surveillance capability ran out - hence the question re current location.

IMO there’s a good chance that he placed her in a temporary position, and went back later to relocate ( been suggesting the fires, also dams & mine shafts)
That same CCTV ( or another) may have picked up his vehicle in & out at a later time. It’s intriguing why Police kept asking for info on a ‘damaged’ vehicle. His vehicle looked ok to me, but I guess we only saw one side !

I do think it’s possible for it to have been a ‘deliberate attack’ which constitutes a Murder charge - but that he was shocked & horrified afterwards, by what he’d done, and terrified of the implications.

The big question for me is What did he do / How did he act in those 5 weeks ?

5 weeks FFS ! Knowing you’d murdered someone, someone’s Mum, a nice ordinary person, just like your Mum - how do you reconcile or deal with that …

* Did he go to work on the Monday
* Did he go to work as usual there after - he was dressed for work when arrested
* Did he hibernate
- did he socialise as normal
- did he drink more
- did he do more drugs
* Seems he grew a beard as court report said it was ‘bushy, however IF the videos I’ve seen were of him, he was clean shaven in January.
* Was he house sitting by himself or was it him & his girlfriend
* Was his girlfriend studying remotely or on-campus @ Charles Darwin Uni.
* Was the ‘house sitting’ a good opportunity to get out from under his parents gaze

Police paid tribute to information from ‘the public’ - so something has come from somewhere, and I don’t think ‘information’ necessarily has to be ‘verbal’.
I wonder if the searches turned up something. I think tracker Jake Cassar said they handed some stuff in.

All just my random thoughts & opinions, and I apologise for the long ramblings.
Warshawski you raise a lot of valid points and things to ponder. IMO

Damaged vehicle - did they know his was damaged? before/after? Would a car be likely to be damaged going a particular route if it was a regular car and not a 4WD?

They implied more than one person - was that because of phone pings or from CCTV sightings. Could that be him using 2 modes of transport and its one and the same person when originally they thought it was 2 people in 2 different vehicles? JMO

They also seemed to not be searching - physically on foot for a period but there were airplane searches going round in circles in a line up and down that area from her street through Mt Clear down to Buningyong in a long line. IMO

Someone mentioned maybe a GoPro video and that seems to tie in with the videos that "Whatson" provided. Makes sense if you regularly went motorbike riding and were wanting to assess your increasing ability a GoPro would be very handy. IMO

So like Rocket 333 mentioned. Maybe a motorbike helmet and no number plate - made PS feel annoymous and confident that it wouldn't be tracked back to him? Then bring the car into play when moving SM to a different location. JMO
 
Speculating again, but don't you agree that to commit a crime this successfully, would be highly unlikely for someone 'out of their mind' on drugs and alcohol, as the alleged may have been? I would assume that a drug/alcohol fueled spur of the moment incident would result in a much messier crime, with much more evidence left behind. IMO, this had been meticulously thought out and pre-planned by PS.

I believe the "bender" is in no way relevant to this case. Given his lawyer already mentioned he had no mental health or drug issues, the 'bender' becomes irrelevant, as the potential defense of "drug/addiction/mental health problems" has already been thrown out the window.
I don't necessarily agree. I don't think this was a planned attack. The accused's "friends" reported that he was on a "massive bender" the night before. Not just a bender, a massive one. What that entails, I do not know. However, for someone who allegedly drinks to excess, and may be involved in drug taking (as witnessed in the video from January), a massive bender would be pretty hardcore I imagine. Not something you want to do right before a planned attack, I think you'd want a clearer mind. I personally think he attended the family party at a home, maybe had a few beers, maybe some drugs to get him through a boring party, then went on to hit the nightlife in town, probably with his girlfriend and mates. I believe police have been looking at footage from several venues on the night in question. I believe he probably ended up at the Deck, due to it being the club open latest (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong). From there, I don't think he went home to bed, I think a "massive bender" would entail heading back to someone's house - maybe a country home with few neighbours to bother - and continuing the party. How or why he ended up back at the original party venue around 6am to allegedly collect his car, I do not know, nor do I know what he would have done from that point on to bring him to the forest at roughly 8am. I would be keen to hear what his plans were for that Sunday. Did he have any commitments, or was he going to sleep off the bender and roll into Monday? MOO

Also, what does DBM stand for?
 
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My understanding is that the video of the partying/drug taking etc is not confirmed to be the night prior to SMs disappearance. IMO
NOT saying he wasnt out partying, as yes reports seem to indicate police did visit pubs for footage etc.
If anyone does have reports that confirm it was the night before, I would be interested in any links though!
 
I don't necessarily agree. I don't think this was a planned attack. The accused's "friends" reported that he was on a "massive bender" the night before. Not just a bender, a massive one. What that entails, I do not know. However, for someone who allegedly drinks to excess, and may be involved in drug taking (as witnessed in the video from January), a massive bender would be pretty hardcore I imagine. Not something you want to do right before a planned attack, I think you'd want a clearer mind. I personally think he attended the family party at a home, maybe had a few beers, maybe some drugs to get him through a boring party, then went on to hit the nightlife in town, probably with his girlfriend and mates. I believe police have been looking at footage from several venues on the night in question. I believe he probably ended up at the Deck, due to it being the club open latest (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong). From there, I don't think he went home to bed, I think a "massive bender" would entail heading back to someone's house - maybe a country home with few neighbours to bother - and continuing the party. How or why he ended up back at the original party venue around 6am to allegedly collect his car, I do not know, nor do I know what he would have done from that point on to bring him to the forest at roughly 8am. I would be keen to hear what his plans were for that Sunday. Did he have any commitments, or was he going to sleep off the bender and roll into Monday? MOO

Also, what does DBM stand for?
just curious, where does 6am to collect his car come from? is that your guess or chat from a local? if true thats a long time to wait around, unless he drove it home to his parents and came back for some reason?
 
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I don't necessarily agree. I don't think this was a planned attack. The accused's "friends" reported that he was on a "massive bender" the night before. Not just a bender, a massive one. What that entails, I do not know. However, for someone who allegedly drinks to excess, and may be involved in drug taking (as witnessed in the video from January), a massive bender would be pretty hardcore I imagine. Not something you want to do right before a planned attack, I think you'd want a clearer mind. I personally think he attended the family party at a home, maybe had a few beers, maybe some drugs to get him through a boring party, then went on to hit the nightlife in town, probably with his girlfriend and mates. I believe police have been looking at footage from several venues on the night in question. I believe he probably ended up at the Deck, due to it being the club open latest (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong). From there, I don't think he went home to bed, I think a "massive bender" would entail heading back to someone's house - maybe a country home with few neighbours to bother - and continuing the party. How or why he ended up back at the original party venue around 6am to allegedly collect his car, I do not know, nor do I know what he would have done from that point on to bring him to the forest at roughly 8am. I would be keen to hear what his plans were for that Sunday. Did he have any commitments, or was he going to sleep off the bender and roll into Monday? MOO

Also, what does DBM stand for?
There have been reports of “bender” and “massive bender” made by “friends”. There is nothing to suggest that this was actually correct, much like the alleged drug video being debunked as the night before. Sometimes people can’t let the truth get in the way of a good story. Perhaps he wasn’t as intoxicated as everyone believed, but he thought the “massive bender” might supply a decent alibi. I believe the last venue he was at was Volta, which is open until 4am on Saturdays.
 
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I don't necessarily agree. I don't think this was a planned attack. The accused's "friends" reported that he was on a "massive bender" the night before. Not just a bender, a massive one. What that entails, I do not know. However, for someone who allegedly drinks to excess, and may be involved in drug taking (as witnessed in the video from January), a massive bender would be pretty hardcore I imagine. Not something you want to do right before a planned attack, I think you'd want a clearer mind. I personally think he attended the family party at a home, maybe had a few beers, maybe some drugs to get him through a boring party, then went on to hit the nightlife in town, probably with his girlfriend and mates. I believe police have been looking at footage from several venues on the night in question. I believe he probably ended up at the Deck, due to it being the club open latest (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong). From there, I don't think he went home to bed, I think a "massive bender" would entail heading back to someone's house - maybe a country home with few neighbours to bother - and continuing the party. How or why he ended up back at the original party venue around 6am to allegedly collect his car, I do not know, nor do I know what he would have done from that point on to bring him to the forest at roughly 8am. I would be keen to hear what his plans were for that Sunday. Did he have any commitments, or was he going to sleep off the bender and roll into Monday? MOO

Also, what does DBM stand for?
dbm......deleted by me:)
 
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just curious, where does 6am to collect his car come from? is that your guess or chat from a local? if true thats a long time to wait around, unless he drove it home to his parents and came back for some reason?
This was a claim by Dr Samoht I believe, who is a local, so just hearsay at this point. I do not believe any MSM picked up on this and reported it.
 
We don't know how effected the accused was on the night of the 3rd February

and whether he did have a bender ?

He might have just gone out to different clubs and was relatively good ?

If that was the case, the alleged had good thought procedures in place for Sam

The footage of him snorting drugs, happened in January

When he was fairly clean cut, compared to the media reports at his recent court attendance having a long scruffy beard

We are not hearing anything new at the moment, everything has gone quiet with VICPOL

In this sad situation with Sam



 
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