SC - Nine killed in Emanuel AME Church shooting, Charleston; Dylann Roof charged #2

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  1. katydid23

    katydid23 Well-Known Member

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    We were talking about showing compassion for the family of a killer. And the most recent example of that is the DW case. So that is why I brought it up. I think it is an example of where we here showed compassion for the killers family and saw them as victims too.

    As for a manifesto---one can be a racist without putting a manifesto online. I have no idea how DW felt about the family he was torturing and killing. But I have to assume he hated them. You disagree?
     


  2. mysteriew

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    What percentage of Americans accept his views? Where can I find those numbers?
     
  3. KaaBoom

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    There is no evidence that he was under the influence of drugs at the time of the shooting. There is evidence that he was in possession of a firearm and used it to commit the crime. Even if he was under the influence of drugs, that would be a contributing factor. But the real cause is the fact that guns are as easy to buy as candy in this country.

    Blaming drugs, or violent video games, or lack of mental health services, is just part of the smoke screen in this country to neutralize the gun control debate, by deflecting attention away from the real problem, so the problem can never get fixed. :( A person can be mentally ill, use the most dangerous drugs, watch violent video games all day, but if he can't get a gun, he can't shoot anybody.
     
  4. eileenhawkeye

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    This is an unusual high-profile case because black people are not being portrayed as criminals, or as victims who were actually criminals and deserved what they got (Trayvon, any victim of police bruality). Some are not taking this well. I can't even think of a similiar case--where a black person was killed, it got national coverage, and no one blamed the victim? My mind is going blank.
     
  5. mysteriew

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    There is no evidence thatt McVeigh used a gun. Should we outlaw trucks and fertilizer? No gun was used during the Boston bombings (that came later) Should we outlaw pressure cookers? And while guns were used at Columbine, there were also pipe bombs. Should we also outlaw pipes?
     
  6. starviego

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    Wrongamundo! Someone else SAID he confessed. There is a difference.
     
  7. eileenhawkeye

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    In Columbine, the pipe bombs did not denonate, showing that they are not as reliable as a gun. Nobody was killed by a pipe bomb.
    Trucks and fertilizer have other uses besides blowing up buildings.
    The number of Americans killed by guns every year is significantly higher than the number of Americans killed by bombs. It's pretty clear that guns are much more easily attainable and easier to use than blowing up an area with a bomb.

    I am not seeing how pipes, trucks, and fertiziler are similiar at all to guns.
     
  8. Montjoy

    Montjoy Inactive

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    Actually, some people are blaming the victims --

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/19/nra-mass-shootings-south-carolina-church
    http://news.sky.com/story/1505619/nra-exec-blames-pastor-for-charleston-shooting

    And I hate to say, but I think I've seen a post or two here expressing a similar argument, albeit less indelicately.
     
  9. human

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    Yup.,Young adults in Europe, Australia, New Zealand ,,Japan have access to violent video games, psychotropic drugs, illegal drugs, have broken families, unemployment. What they don't have are...............
     
  10. mysteriew

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    If guns are not available they will turn to bombs and IUD's as they have done in other places. And in some cases the materials are easier to find than guns. They just take more work.
     
  11. KaaBoom

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    Thanks. I din't know why I typed North Carolina. :eek:
     
  12. mysteriew

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    Ummm........ you might want to do a google search on that. Just a quick search shows news reports for bomb threats or bombings in most of those. We look like we have more because once they happen theyare talked about endlessly in media. And since more details are given out in broadcasts it looks like we are worse. s
     
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    What bombings are you talking about?
     
  14. katydid23

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    A black police officer was killed today in NOLA and I have not seen anyone blaming him.
     
  15. katydid23

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    There will be a video of his confession.
     
  16. Wagara

    Wagara Wishin' and hopin’ and thinkin’ and prayin’...

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    IMO SC is getting a bum rap over this shooting. As horrible as the tragedy is there have been no riots. Instead the flag and gun loving people of SC, of all races, have united to support each other. I will take SC's PR problems over those of Ferguson and Baltimore any day of the week
     
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    Yes, the poor white people in South Carolina are suffering so much from this. Those are the people we should be concerned with, not the black victims of this hate crime. Of course they are not suffering so much that they are going to take down their racist Confederate flag from the State Capital, but they are suffering.

    Lets reverse it around, and say that a black kid killed nine white people. First, he would be dead. The cops would make sure of that, but if by some chance he survived all the police bullets, what are the chances this same judge would be talking about how we need to be sympathetic to his family? None, because black kids are all "****s" anyway. :rolleyes:
     
  18. Wagara

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  20. katydid23

    katydid23 Well-Known Member

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    Let's take a real life example. Darron Wint, a black man, just killed four white people. Actually he tortured them, brutally, for 2 days. He set a 10 yr old boy on fire while he was still alive. Did the cops shoot him when he was captured? NO. They did not kill him upon his arrest.

    Did the public harass his family? NO. His father made a very lovely and compassionate public statement and it was warmly accepted. I have not seen anyone say anything bad about his father at all.

    I think you are painting with a very broad brush and jumping to false conclusions. JMO


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    As first reported by The Washington Post, Dennis Wint says his family and friends grieve the 'tragic and senseless loss' but they didn't know the victims.
    He also says 'we hope that whoever committed these heinous crimes - my son included - will suffer the consequences of their actions.'


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ces-heartless-crime-guilty.html#ixzz3dfOux8e9
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