Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

[salberg7]

No worries Niner. You reminded me at just the right time yesterday and I watched the last half hour. Which was more than enough as it reminded me how much Dr Phil gets on my nerves. He asks two questions, shows the subject's face before they give their answer, and then....another long commercial break before you get the answer. He turned into such a sensationalist.
As for Burke, he was 9 years old! Phil was looking for adult answers from a kid. Total fluff nuts! Of course the poor boy is alittle strange - for his entire life he had to endure his parents being scrutinized for murdering his little sister. I wonder why he did the interview. Phil must have paid him a lot.

 

[Hope4More]

A regular tweeter on the hashtag tweeted a list of all 's visitors from June 2015 on into 2016 ( I can see only page 1 of 2, ends in early 2016).

The had about 40 total visits over approx 8 months. Looks like she was allowed one visit per week, more if attorneys came a'calling.


In that timeframe:

* Her appellate attorneys never visited.

* An (ex) attorney from CA who is associated with JAII and who has been disbarred visited several times.

* Kareem visited a couple of times , in Nov and Dec 2015.

* Her mother visited once, looks like with another relative.

* Almost 2/3rds of the visits were by just 2 peeps, supposedly fans. I'd guess only one of the 2 names would be recognizable to anyone here, if that.

* An interesting aside? Especially given the DT's curious choice of vendors to do forensic analysis on TA's harddrive? Both of those 2 most frequent visitors are IT professionals.

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ETA. Page 2 just tweeted.

* Her mother and father and Aunt Sue came together once to visit, at the end of March 2016.

* Kareem visited twice more, midMay and the end of June 2016.

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Interesting visits (and non visits) by attorneys.

* An attorney visited on January 26, 2016. Practice specialty? Prosecuting attorneys for ethical violations. A 2 hour and very expensive visit, unless he came independently to investigate a bar complaint.

* An attorney visited in early July 2016. His primary specialty is immigration law, but..... he also handles legal matters relating to TRUSTS. Visited for an hour.

** Still no visits by her appellate attorneys.
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* She had under 20 visits from mid March 2016 through the end of July 2016, and other than the one visit by family, 1 with an attorney, and 2 from Kareem, virtually all the others were by the same 2 peeps noted above.

Which is to say.....MDLR did not visit the at any time between June 2015 through August 2016.

And....neither did her alleged future husband she was scheming to have come visit. Guess her plan didn't work. It's almost like a Romeo and Juliet tragedy, eh? With just a few little differences.

A vicious, cold-blooded, convicted murderer who wants to be kept in butt and zit creams and Beano forever and ever, and a serial drunk driver with extremely questionable taste in women and no great regard for the law, pining to use one another, kept apart and deprived of happily ever after by cruel prison rules that prohibit felons from dropping by. THE END

 

[Hope4More]

Edit- TWO attorneys visited in January 2016, both from the same law firm specializing in prosecuting ethical violations by attorneys.

Beth Karas has the official letters of dismissal for both bar complaints against JM -- Maria Schaeffer, her first counsel: complaint dismissed on December 19, 2015; and the cowardly vile creep MM who was too chicken to appear in court to lie about Travis: bar charges dismissed on January 7, 2016.

So....not there about bar complaints against JM for misconduct during 's trial. Back to my original guess, which is was looking into filing a complaint or suit against Nurmi or JM or both for daring to publish their books.

Neither attorney visited again through August 2016, fwiw.

 

[salberg7]

Thank you, Hope! Wonder how she would pay to pursue either KN or JM? That would be a costly lawsuit, I would bet.
What, no Barry Sheck (sp?) from the Innocence Project? Anyone by the name of Kathleen (from the Brian Dassey/Steven Avery case)? Lol lol.
Grasping at straws and smug in that she again thinks she is smarter than everyone else but not assuming Kirk or Juan wouldn't have made sure publishing their respective books were ethical and legal. She never gives up on her fantasies, only to be killer it's a reality no matter how much the facts get in the way.
No one who counts visited the killer (appellate attorneys).
Boo hoo killer, go back to your cell or try to get permission to visit the law library if you can to keep busy.

 

[RickshawFan]

A regular tweeter on the hashtag tweeted a list of all 's visitors from June 2015 on into 2016 ( I can see only page 1 of 2, ends in early 2016).

The had about 40 total visits over approx 8 months. Looks like she was allowed one visit per week, more if attorneys came a'calling.


In that timeframe:

* Her appellate attorneys never visited.

* An (ex) attorney from CA who is associated with JAII and who has been disbarred visited several times.

* Kareem visited a couple of times , in Nov and Dec 2015.

* Her mother visited once, looks like with another relative.

* Almost 2/3rds of the visits were by just 2 peeps, supposedly fans. I'd guess only one of the 2 names would be recognizable to anyone here, if that.

* An interesting aside? Especially given the DT's curious choice of vendors to do forensic analysis on TA's harddrive? Both of those 2 most frequent visitors are IT professionals.

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ETA. Page 2 just tweeted.

* Her mother and father and Aunt Sue came together once to visit, at the end of March 2016.

* Kareem visited twice more, midMay and the end of June 2016.

------------

Interesting visits (and non visits) by attorneys.

* An attorney visited on January 26, 2016. Practice specialty? Prosecuting attorneys for ethical violations. A 2 hour and very expensive visit, unless he came independently to investigate a bar complaint.

* An attorney visited in early July 2016. His primary specialty is immigration law, but..... he also handles legal matters relating to TRUSTS. Visited for an hour.

** Still no visits by her appellate attorneys.
------------

* She had under 20 visits from mid March 2016 through the end of July 2016, and other than the one visit by family, 1 with an attorney, and 2 from Kareem, virtually all the others were by the same 2 peeps noted above.

Which is to say.....MDLR did not visit the at any time between June 2015 through August 2016.

And....neither did her alleged future husband she was scheming to have come visit. Guess her plan didn't work. It's almost like a Romeo and Juliet tragedy, eh? With just a few little differences.

A vicious, cold-blooded, convicted murderer who wants to be kept in butt and zit creams and Beano forever and ever, and a serial drunk driver with extremely questionable taste in women and no great regard for the law, pining to use one another, kept apart and deprived of happily ever after by cruel prison rules that prohibit felons from dropping by. THE END

Are the two peeps men?

You're saying they're IT specialists, but not fellas who were witnesses?

Are you saying JM's bar complaints were from an attorney and MM?

Is it normal for appeals attorneys not to visit their client?

The presence of IT folks begs the question, actually several:
Is she hacking into someones computer?
Is making more pedo letters?

Inmates are not permitted privileged visits with attorneys who are not actively on their case, I believe. You can't just have all your attorney friends come and visit.

Why was her choice of vendors on the forensic analysis of TA's hard drive relevant?

The names of attorneys who visit her with attorney privilege aren't confidential?

 

[Hope4More]

Are the two peeps men?

You're saying they're IT specialists, but not fellas who were witnesses?

Are you saying JM's bar complaints were from an attorney and MM?

Is it normal for appeals attorneys not to visit their client?

The presence of IT folks begs the question, actually several:
Is she hacking into someones computer?
Is making more pedo letters?

Inmates are not permitted privileged visits with attorneys who are not actively on their case, I believe. You can't just have all your attorney friends come and visit.

Why was her choice of vendors on the forensic analysis of TA's hard drive relevant?

The names of attorneys who visit her with attorney privilege aren't confidential?

(On my phone, sorry, so can't format a reply very well).

--AZL said a long awhile ago that appellate attorneys have no reason to visit their clients. Looks like 's attorneys agree with that.

--Yes, the bar complaints were by McGee and by her first counsel (Maria S and whatever his name was, don't remember- their complaint was that JM had insinuated they deliberately destroyed evidence on TA's HD. McGee hoped to nail JM for saying his real name out loud in court).


--The names of visiting counsel are apparently not confidential, because there they are on her list of visitors.


--It looks like her disbarred attorney visits were treated like he was an acting atty for her. Typical , gaming the system.

--Her regular visitors: one man, one woman; the woman visits most regularly.

The tweeter who posted the visitation list thinks the woman is closely related to that "art dealer" future husband of , her prince charming with a rap sheet that includes selling drugs to minors and drunk driving.

--The male visitor is a long- term super fan. He made Sheriff Joe's list of 10 who were banned after her 27 a day video call lifestyle at Estrella made news. He was actually likely responsible for bringing the video call outrage to Sheriff Joe's attention, as it was he, iirc, who posted stills on SM of her from one of their video calls ( holding up the Hershey bar, etc).

--That both regular visitors work in the IT field. I'm not sure if there's any connection between that and consultants hired, or even if what the 2 do is relevant. My hinky alarm goes off fairly automatically when it comes to and all things electronic and online. Old habits, etc.

 

[FinallyRegistered]

To see the visitation list, the twitter handle is @trial_by.

2016 Family Visit: Dad, Mom, Aunt Sue, and an unnamed minor child visited on March 31, 2016, from 10:50am to 1:35pm.

2015 Family Visit: Mom visited on September 17, 2015, from 7:21am to 10:01am.

 

[RickshawFan]

(On my phone, sorry, so can't format a reply very well).

--AZL said a long awhile ago that appellate attorneys have no reason to visit their clients. Looks like 's attorneys agree with that.

--Yes, the bar complaints were by McGee and by her first counsel (Maria S and whatever his name was, don't remember- their complaint was that JM had insinuated they deliberately destroyed evidence on TA's HD. McGee hoped to nail JM for saying his real name out loud in court).


--The names of visiting counsel are apparently not confidential, because there they are on her list of visitors.


--It looks like her disbarred attorney visits were treated like he was an acting atty for her. Typical , gaming the system.

--Her regular visitors: one man, one woman; the woman visits most regularly.

The tweeter who posted the visitation list thinks the woman is closely related to that "art dealer" future husband of , her prince charming with a rap sheet that includes selling drugs to minors and drunk driving.

--The male visitor is a long- term super fan. He made Sheriff Joe's list of 10 who were banned after her 27 a day video call lifestyle at Estrella made news. He was actually likely responsible for bringing the video call outrage to Sheriff Joe's attention, as it was he, iirc, who posted stills on SM of her from one of their video calls ( holding up the Hershey bar, etc).

--That both regular visitors work in the IT field. I'm not sure if there's any connection between that and consultants hired, or even if what the 2 do is relevant. My hinky alarm goes off fairly automatically when it comes to and all things electronic and online. Old habits, etc.

I'm pretty sure inmates' attorney privileges do not extend to disbarred crooks or random lawyer friends. They have to be of record.

 

[RickshawFan]

There was a news item last night that made me smirk at how low grade was in the sex fun department and how exponentially she is losing touch (As if the toothbrush solution didn't tell you that already.)

Anyway, a news story was published that a sex toy company had been collecting intimate data on the owners of it's sex toys. How, you ask, is that possible? Lover A has the sexy blob of silicon pleasure making. Lover B has an iphone. Lover B controls the vibration on Lover A's sex toy. Pleasure ensues. Aaaaaand, most importantly, Lover A can be on sabbatical in the Netherlands and Lover B on a business trip to Honolulu....

Anyway, that's the current genre of sex toys. Every moment she's in PV makes her more insignificant. And highlights her irrelevance in sex feats or anything else.

How do I know all this? There's a concern that hackers will take over the devices, and it's not the only company who makes this stuff............Get your jollies at: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/14/wevibe-sex-toy-data-collection-chicago-lawsuit

 

[LinTX]

Edit- TWO attorneys visited in January 2016, both from the same law firm specializing in prosecuting ethical violations by attorneys.

Beth Karas has the official letters of dismissal for both bar complaints against JM -- Maria Schaeffer, her first counsel: complaint dismissed on December 19, 2015; and the cowardly vile creep MM who was too chicken to appear in court to lie about Travis: bar charges dismissed on January 7, 2016.

So....not there about bar complaints against JM for misconduct during 's trial. Back to my original guess, which is was looking into filing a complaint or suit against Nurmi or JM or both for daring to publish their books.

Neither attorney visited again through August 2016, fwiw.

BBM. From looking at their firm website and an article mentioning them online, it seems they represent the attorneys when complaints or charges are filed. Don't think they work the other way around. I wondered if JA filed against Nurmi (his book), and they are his attorneys?

I'm pretty sure inmates' attorney privileges do not extend to disbarred crooks or random lawyer friends. They have to be of record.

Rules only say attorney - doesn't specify whether or not they're 'of record'. This particular fan attorney evidently was disbarred or somehow lost his license in July, and this log showed his visits prior to that. Guessing he won't get any more legal visits..

 

[Hope4More]

BBM. From looking at their firm website and an article mentioning them online, it seems they represent the attorneys when complaints or charges are filed. Don't think they work the other way around. I wondered if JA filed against Nurmi (his book), and they are his attorneys?



Rules only say attorney - doesn't specify whether or not they're 'of record'. This particular fan attorney evidently was disbarred or somehow lost his license in July, and this log showed his visits prior to that. Guessing he won't get any more legal visits..

You're absolutely right about the attorneys' practice area. My bad-- hasty middle of the night sleuthing, and only read halfway down the page, that he had worked for the Arizona bar prosecuting attorneys for ethical violations, before he opened up his own practice defending the attorneys he once prosecuted.

And I imagine you're also correct the attorneys represented Nurmi. They look to be top notch, very pricey, and would be acting to defend, not go after another attorney. JM had the same attorney represent him for both bar complaints, an attorney from a different firm.

So not at Perryville about JM. Must have been about Nurmi, and it must have been quite the experience for her to have been firmly shut down by professional attorneys, to not have had her snit fits accommodated.

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Unrelated, but by inference, looks like whatever AG special investigation is going on, it doesn't involve the 's interaction with any of the 10 characters Estrella banned from contacting , since one of the ten is allowed to visit her at Perryville.

 

[salberg7]

And on the visitor list, said attorney appears to have visited her outside of regular visiting hours; I found that odd.
She does manage to get many visitors though but the same ones- the male & female.
I guess she is waiting for her current appeal to be denied before she begins looking for her paid appeal- after all she has $110K in her Aunt's trust. From the looks of it, that will pay for a copy of her voluminous trial transcripts.

 

[LinTX]

And on the visitor list, said attorney appears to have visited her outside of regular visiting hours; I found that odd.
She does manage to get many visitors though but the same ones- the male & female.
I guess she is waiting for her current appeal to be denied before she begins looking for her paid appeal- after all she has $110K in her Aunt's trust. From the looks of it, that will pay for a copy of her voluminous trial transcripts.

Attorneys usually do visits when gen'l public isn't there - looks like even the fan playing attorney visited on days other than Thursday. As for the # of visits, I have a vision of her calling that female & whining when she sees no one else signed up and begging her to come. Don't have any idea how long ahead someone has to arrange a visit, but I like to imagine her doing that.

 

[RickshawFan]

BBM. From looking at their firm website and an article mentioning them online, it seems they represent the attorneys when complaints or charges are filed. Don't think they work the other way around. I wondered if JA filed against Nurmi (his book), and they are his attorneys?



Rules only say attorney - doesn't specify whether or not they're 'of record'. This particular fan attorney evidently was disbarred or somehow lost his license in July, and this log showed his visits prior to that. Guessing he won't get any more legal visits..

LinTX correct me if this doc is no longer valid:
AZDOC 911 does use the term "attorneys of record", at least obliquely. They don't have to get security clearance. Page 3.



https://corrections.az.gov/sites/default/files/_adc_inmate_visitation_policy_2.pdf


These are the attorney rules, Doc 902, p. 20
"ATTORNEY - An attorney-at-law licensed to practice in any state or federal jurisdiction.
 Who has entered into or may in the future enter into an attorney-client relationship with the inmate or has been appointed to represent the inmate, as evidenced by court record, court order or by the inmate's written authorization.
 Shall not include anyone who is on the inmate's visiting list.
https://corrections.az.gov/sites/default/files/policies/900/0902.pdf


To me, this means you can't have random attorney friends visit. Heck, otherwise everyone would be breaking this rule.

 

[salberg7]

But visit he did, and not during designated visitor times. The above states an attorney licensed in any state. If as someone above stated he has been disbarred last July-no more special privileges for him. You can verify state issued licenses on line now in many states. I imagine that could be one way the Perryville staff validated his license to practice law and allowed him specific attorney client privileges. All he had to say is that he may represent her in the future to bypass the rule cited above.
Yes he was the one who took pictures of the killer in Estrella with the Hershey bar.
Playing the system any way she can. It will catch up to her, karma is a bear!

 

[LinTX]

salberg7 said what I would have said. This guy is certainly not above pretending to have a legal relationship in order to visit her. Did it before and does it now - I only wonder how often DOC verifies their license to practice once approved.

 

[GigiG]

A regular tweeter on the hashtag tweeted a list of all 's visitors from June 2015 on into 2016 ( I can see only page 1 of 2, ends in early 2016).

The had about 40 total visits over approx 8 months. Looks like she was allowed one visit per week, more if attorneys came a'calling.


In that timeframe:

* Her appellate attorneys never visited.

* An (ex) attorney from CA who is associated with JAII and who has been disbarred visited several times.

* Kareem visited a couple of times , in Nov and Dec 2015.

* Her mother visited once, looks like with another relative.

* Almost 2/3rds of the visits were by just 2 peeps, supposedly fans. I'd guess only one of the 2 names would be recognizable to anyone here, if that.

* An interesting aside? Especially given the DT's curious choice of vendors to do forensic analysis on TA's harddrive? Both of those 2 most frequent visitors are IT professionals.

-----------

ETA. Page 2 just tweeted.

* Her mother and father and Aunt Sue came together once to visit, at the end of March 2016.

* Kareem visited twice more, midMay and the end of June 2016.

------------

Interesting visits (and non visits) by attorneys.

* An attorney visited on January 26, 2016. Practice specialty? Prosecuting attorneys for ethical violations. A 2 hour and very expensive visit, unless he came independently to investigate a bar complaint.

* An attorney visited in early July 2016. His primary specialty is immigration law, but..... he also handles legal matters relating to TRUSTS. Visited for an hour.

** Still no visits by her appellate attorneys.
------------

* She had under 20 visits from mid March 2016 through the end of July 2016, and other than the one visit by family, 1 with an attorney, and 2 from Kareem, virtually all the others were by the same 2 peeps noted above.

Which is to say.....MDLR did not visit the at any time between June 2015 through August 2016.

And....neither did her alleged future husband she was scheming to have come visit. Guess her plan didn't work. It's almost like a Romeo and Juliet tragedy, eh? With just a few little differences.

A vicious, cold-blooded, convicted murderer who wants to be kept in butt and zit creams and Beano forever and ever, and a serial drunk driver with extremely questionable taste in women and no great regard for the law, pining to use one another, kept apart and deprived of happily ever after by cruel prison rules that prohibit felons from dropping by. THE END

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I also noticed that there was just ONE visit (way back on 2/25/16) by the woman from the Feminine Collective, who wrote about her "friendship" with JA in an 11/04/15 post:

http://www.femininecollective.com/letter-arizona-jail-friendship-jodi-arias

Why hasn't this "friend" visited since? Perhaps that friendship has cooled? I'm shocked!

 

[salberg7]

What strikes me as pathetic is many of the names on the killer's visitor list are comprised of people that befriended her AFTER she murdered Travis. These are people that never knew her prior, drawn to her by some macabre need to befriend someone that actually used her hands to slaughter another human being in such a brutal fashion. I could not do that. While watching her on the stand, I was just amazed and repulsed by the thought that those hands stabbed Travis too many times and actually slit his throat. I could never sit across from someone I just met, basically, & chit chat about whatever they discuss. How would that conversation go? I bet they never discuss the crime itself. It's not like they have any history together. They met the killer at her manipulative "best", so to speak.
I felt bad seeing her Grandmother's name on the list as she passed away this year, I think. To have to put an 70 something woman through the PVille visitor process and then see your granddaughter for the last time behind bars. I was heartbroken for her grandmother.

 

[Only4Justice]

Hi my WS friends! I am visiting Mesa area but my girlfriend thinks I'm too crazy wanting to go by Travis' house! LOL. What a beautiful place this is though.


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[RickshawFan]

Hi my WS friends! I am visiting Mesa area but my girlfriend thinks I'm too crazy wanting to go by Travis' house! LOL. What a beautiful place this is though.


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You aren't the only one who has wanted to visit! I haven't, but at least one Sister Rabbit has scouted it out in detail. Take photos if you're there, and post your insights. Please.