Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt8

[Wrinkles]

So far...we also have, I know that some of this was mentioned, but here it is with direct links to the articles:

* Video surveillance film from neighbor's house showed no one other than CC coming/going.

>>Prosecutors revealed that video taken from his neighbor's house doesn't show anyone coming or going besides Chris Coleman.<<

* Video shows CC leaving his house at exactly 5:43AM.

>>Prosecutors released in court the information that they video shows he left the house at exactly 5:43 a.m.<<

* Gym cam put CC there at 6AM:
>>A gym camera put him there about 6 a.m.<<

* Purported girlfriend was in St. Louis, the two were looking for houses and a job for her there, CC told girlfriend he was going to file for divorce May 5th.

Prosecutors revealed Coleman's purported girlfriend was in St. Louis. The two were looking for houses and a job for her here. Prosecutors talked with the woman and she said Chris Coleman told her he was going to file for divorce on May 5th. However, there was no evidence that he ever tried to file for divorce.

The conflicting info is CC having a credit card with girlfriend -- the wording in two stories is different.

One article says:
>>Also, Coleman held a credit card jointly with his wife and girlfriend, according to Edwards, who did not explain it further.<<

Another article says:
>>Chris Coleman later admitted to police that he was engaged in an affair with one of his wife's friends, identified in court documents as Tara Lintz of St. Petersburg, Fla. Lintz and Coleman had at least one credit card in both their names that was used to pay for airfare for Lintz to accompany him on trips for Joyce Meyer Ministries.<<

 

[Lindadanette]

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I certainly take offense at that blanket statement. Unless of courese you have proof and if you do where is it? I guess if this man worked for Exon you would be telling us all not to buy gas! JMO

I stated that I thought he MAY (an opinion) have been planning to escape to someplace like Costa Rica, where there is a large "Christian" faction and minimum scrutiny. I happen to know for a fact that there are churches/ministries building "retreat centers" in Costa Rica under the aegis of ministry and using donated funds. Now how many of us can afford to fly down to Costa Rica for a retreat?

 

[johnrodz]

Oh yeah...

Before my prized nap...

One thing we didn't hear about today, not so far as I know at this point at anyrate, was about that which was used to strangle these poor sweethearts.

I'm thinking that the prosecution laid out as little as they could to get this over the hump, hopefully without humiliating Sheri and the boys memories any further than they have already have been hurt, and maybe to get it moving to a confession. i.e. IF they could lay out just enough, perhaps CC and his attornies would say, "Enough is enough" and "we're ready for a plea" or "a confession" or whatever. Perhaps the really awful stuff was spared so as to spare Sheri's family and friends, IF today could produce pressure toward a confession.

I would like to know what people saw of CC's demeanor in court, and who attended court too.

Oh...and I must admit I am blown away that the MM was in St. Louis at the time, do I have that right? (have to reread.)

I don't think they said she was in St. Louis at the time, just that she had been in St. Louis looking for work. They did not mention when she was in St. Louis, though I think this is something someone will be able to figure out soon and I can't wait to hear.

 

[Lindadanette]

I'm thinking SC knew nothing about that.........possibly they meant it was in SC and CC's names, but TL was using it as SC. Kind of like signing the mortgage docs.

OH YEAH! And won't it be interesting to find out if MM was in St Louis when the QC was notarized?

 

[Ginny]

>>Also, Coleman held a credit card jointly with his wife and girlfriend, according to Edwards, who did not explain it further.<<

Respectfully Snipped.

I understood that is that he had a joint credit card with TL and then another joint credit card with SC. But I could be wrong!

 

[DairyGirl]

OH YEAH! And won't it be interesting to find out if MM was in St Louis when the QC was notarized?

That would mean that TL apparently didn't have a problem with sleeping with SC's husband, stealing him and taking her house and money.

 

[Lindadanette]

That would mean that TL apparently didn't have a problem with sleeping with SC's husband, stealing him and taking her house and money.

It makes you wonder at what point TL started justifying her relationship with CC, doesn't it? Did SC bring CC home to Largo before they got married? Did TL fall for him then? Did he play both of them and then marry Sheri? If so, I imagine that it galled TL to hear SC talk about her relationship - with such a good Christian man. . .

 

[FOXTERRIER]

"Ronald and Connie Coleman, Chris Coleman's parents, attended the hearing, but didn't talk to reporters.
Mario Weiss, Sheri's brother and Garett and Gavin's uncle, attended the hearing, along with Sheri's godfather Joe Miglio, hearing the details of their deaths.
"It was extremely emotional. I felt a thousand different emotions," Weiss said after the hearing. "I didn't want to disrespect the judge by vomiting in court."

http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/802518.html

 

[overburnz]

I wanted to make everyone aware that I posted all the news reports and video I could find on todays results on my website.
Hope this helps everyone
If there is anything I may have missed please make a comment and I will add it.
Thanks

Chip and Co

 

[Wrinkles]

Howdy Kimster,

Don't know the answer to your question yet. I plan to read the whole court transcript after I get my chores done. :crazy:

Ummm...where can we get these? Will they be publically available?

 

[escamoles]

Inexplicable behavior by the Coleman family at the hearing:

from Fox2 News, STL

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-coleman-hearing-061009,0,1994556.story

Prosecutors Lay Out The Case Against Chris Coleman
Victim's Brother: "I wanted to vomit."

Chris Coleman's family wouldn't talk, but they were smiling and frequently laughing before the hearing. About 15 Coleman supporters showed up ranging from family to members of his Dad's Chester, IL church.

When my precious grandchildren and daughter-in-law have been slaughtered in a manner that would be unthinkable even for animals, and there's pretty overwhelming evidence that my own son has committed these atrocities, I'm not sure my first reaction would be to chat and cut up. :furious:

I've wondered what the Gold's Gym closed circuit cameras showed CC doing during the time he was at the gym that morning -- working out or not?

Police also report having video of him going into Gold's Gym where they could see him enter the bathroom just after 6 a.m. They report seeing him enter the bathroom, but no other activity.

Just an hour-long shower to remove evidence, I guess.

 

[Vegas Bride]

"Ronald and Connie Coleman, Chris Coleman's parents, attended the hearing, but didn't talk to reporters.
Mario Weiss, Sheri's brother and Garett and Gavin's uncle, attended the hearing, along with Sheri's godfather Joe Miglio, hearing the details of their deaths.
"It was extremely emotional. I felt a thousand different emotions," Weiss said after the hearing. "I didn't want to disrespect the judge by vomiting in court."

http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/802518.html

In this article it states he began the affair on November 5th 2008 and the first threatning letter came on November 14th. I guess it only took him 9 days to come up with his plan.

VB

 

[Sal]

Maybe he had to get jiggy with it. Maybe he gave himself 6 months from the day it started to get out and move on.

I hope the RC fam loved seeing their widdle boy huddled in the back seat of that car. That's priceless!

 

[DogWood]

Inexplicable behavior by the Coleman family at the hearing:

from Fox2 News, STL

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-coleman-hearing-061009,0,1994556.story

Prosecutors Lay Out The Case Against Chris Coleman
Victim's Brother: "I wanted to vomit."

When my precious grandchildren and daughter-in-law have been slaughtered in a manner that would be unthinkable even for animals, and there's pretty overwhelming evidence that my own son has committed these atrocities, I'm not sure my first reaction would be to chat and cut up. :furious:

I've wondered what the Gold's Gym closed circuit cameras showed CC doing during the time he was at the gym that morning -- working out or not?



Just an hour-long shower to remove evidence, I guess.

Thanks, escamoles!

From your link, "You can find a complete transcript of the hearing on Chris Hayes' blog."

Has anyone read the transcript yet?

 

[Lindadanette]

OK - If I'm not mistaken, you will see CC handing JM a Starbucks here.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR7mDQAQquE&NR=1"]YouTube - Joyce Meyer Robot[/ame]

 

[Wrinkles]

Reported info, new as of today (and my questions/comments)

* "On the night before his family was strangled, Chris Coleman told his Florida girlfriend that his wife would receive divorce papers the next day"

So, papers don't just arrive -- they have to be filled out. Did he have an attorney for this, had the attorney planned for them to be ready that day? If so, he wanted it to look like he was doing the divorce -- but, oh my this terrible thing happened. IF he has no proof that divorce papers were put together, or could be in short order -- did he figure he wouldn't be investigated after a murder like this?

* "And renowned forensic pathologist ... put the time of death for murder victims ... at between 11 p.m. and 3 a.m."

Remember when we heard the rumor with the number "11" in it? The person was unsure of whether it was 11 hours before they were found or 11, or what.

* "Images from a surveillance camera mounted right across the street from the Coleman home at the house of Columbia Police Detective Justin Barlow, one of the investigators on the triple murder..."

Now who woulda thunk Chris? Did you figure you would tell your neighbor about the threats and your neighbor wouldn't be smart enough to watch your mail box for you too? Oh I bet Det Barlow was really emotionally ill and heart broken over this whole thing. I'll bet he almost begged to be a part of the investigation.

* "The expert said that it was not possible for them to be alive at 5:45 a.m.,"

My guess is that body temps absolutely backed this, not to mention rigor/livor mortis.

* "The couple began a relationship on Nov. 5, 2008"

Well now, we knew of "November" -- but not the specifics. [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3795185&postcount=1010"]WestSideGal reported (May 26)[/ame] and "JMM's conference schedule for Nov 6-8 2008: http://www.joycemeyer.org/conference...ails/tampa.htm ... You don't think CC was down there a month early finalizing security detail since he was...you know, head of security???"

WestSideGal, we know it was at least a day earlier now.

* "The couple was also planning to take a cruise together in August."

Do you think Chris thought he would still be working for JM then? Why would they be looking for TL to have a job and place to live in St. Louis if he didn't think so?

Revisiting this message that held JM's conference schedule for this year:

August 6-8, 2009 Hershey, PA More Info >>
August 20-22, 2009 Nashville, TN More Info >>

So...they were going to cruise before the 6th? or between the 8th and the 20th? or after the 22nd? Would be interesting to find out where the cruise would be too and how long it would take. We could then, maybe figure out whether CC figured he would still be working for JM at that time.

* "Edwards also testified that the first alleged threat to the Coleman family reported by Chris Coleman came on Nov. 14 to his work e-mail at Joyce Meyer Ministries, where he worked as a security supervisor. Detectives later discovered the e-mail was created on Coleman's Meyer Ministries-issued laptop and sent through the laptop's air card."

The above is FAR more explicit. We had heard Nov. 18, but it was the 14th, eh? AND IT WAS SENT THROUGH his laptop's air card. Be durned... Do you think that when the date Nov. 18th came up, CC chuckled and thought, "they don't know squat" OR was there one on the 18th too.


* "Lintz also told police that she and Chris Coleman exchanged sexual graphic videos and messages"

Kinda sounds like pornish, eh? (you've heard of the Pornish Game Hen?)

* "Edwards said the sheet that covered Gavin was spray painted with an obscenity."

So there was an obscenity on the child's sheet

Evidently, there was more heard... Much of what we have heard would make a family member throw up, but my guess is that all the info isn't in yet today.

 

[Sal]

Yeah, but CC is innocent!:laughbig:

 

[Wrinkles]

A little more info that I'm seeing the first time...

* "Edwards said a gym camera put Coleman there about 6 a.m. and that video shows him going into and leaving a restroom."

Wonder if it notes a scrub and change of clothes and shoes? Our WS'rs pretty well clarified it would take about 17 minutes to get there, left 5:43, at gym at 6:00, got home at 6:51, drive home would have been about 17 minutes leaving about 34 minutes to do gym stuff. How long was he known to "regularly work out" (as he said.) Wonder how long he was in that bathroom.

* "and that cyber-crime experts had found several other documents written by Coleman in which the word was misspelled the same way"

Yay cyber crime experts! YAY!

* "and that the two had "routinely" met at sites where Coleman traveled for the ministry"

Kinda sounds like there were more trysts than Arizona and Hawaii.

* "He said the girlfriend had provided Coleman with a cell phone that was not accessible to the ministry or his wife. Also, Coleman had numerous credit cards – some that he held jointly with his girlfriend, and some that included the girlfriend's and his wife's names, according to Edwards."

Okay...so this one REALLY mystifies me. BUT...see that, evidently TL gave "him" the phone. And why the cards with both women's names? Did they both know they had cards on that account, or did he make them both a signer without them knowing? Or had one of their business supposedly involved TL -- and this was supposedly a business card?

continuing to read...

 

[sweetpeakc]

Where is this court transcript to read?

 

[Wrinkles]

Hallo All,

This article says the transcript is available on Chris Hayes' blog.

HELP, where is that blog? I want to grab that transcript pronto.