Should SA seek to prove that "the murder was committed for pecuniary gain"?

[LiveLaughLuv]

Originally Posted by rhornsby
My personal theory is that the State is seeking the death penalty because they found out during the "sealed" hearing on Baez's potential conflict of interest that while everyone was busy looking for Caylee under the false pretense that she was still alive, Casey was selling the picture of her daughter for $200K.

So while I think the State was on the fence about whether to seek the death penalty, I have a feeling that finding out that the person that they think killed Caylee (regardless of the reason) was selling her pictures for $200K and maintaining the position that the nanny kidnapped her was the straw that broke the "prosecutor's" back. Thus why we saw a Notice of Intent to seek the Death Penalty shortly after the hearing.

I just feel that this was the last straw for the state, and while their anger about her "subsequent" actions are not admissible aggravating factors of pecuniary gain - that does not mean the state cannot consider that in determining if she is worthy of the death penalty based on the other factors which do qualify her for the death penalty.

Thank you Richard for your insight on this subject.

I believe what led the SAO to seek a DP charge was not made until Caylee's remains were found and found in the condition they were!

I feel the duct tape over Caylee's mouth/nose/skull were the driving force for the SA's changing their mind and allowing a group of Inmate Anthony's peers decide her fate on life or death. This being reinforced by the 31 days of not calling authorities, all her lies to avoid an arrest, nothing credible told to help find an allegedly abducted child, the victim being under 12, the human decomp event in the pontiac's trunk all validate the states presence of mind in getting a DP charge. Of course, I can be wrong since I do not hold a law degree but common sense and logic tell me different..JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

[ZsaZsa]

Interesting theory, and it very well could be correct.

If KC sold the pictures prior to the state removing the DP, then the sale of the pictures occurred when her life was hanging in the balance of the outcome of the pending trial.
How can anyone who is facing a DP charge be faulted for trying to obtain anything they can possibly get to defend themselves, when their life may be ended if convicted. The state of Florida has far more resources than KC can ever obtain and has used many of those vast resources in preparing for the trial.
If the state had been on the fence about reinstating the DP in this case, after dropping the DP shortly before Dec. 11th, and the deciding factor for the reinstatement of the DP, was the last straw that KC obtained money to defend herself in court, I would have to ask what does this money obtained by KC have to do with committing an alleged premeditated murder that occurred several months prior to the sale?
As JA said, she is presumed innocent until proven guilty, and as of yet, she is still presumed innocent. KC is not a media mogul who turned this into a high profile media circus. She does not, and never has had any control over what the media has done in turning this case into a big money machine for the media. I would guess that the media has generated millions upon millions of dollars by turning this into a circus. The money train will continue till the end of the trial, and for the media, the money is in a guilty KC. If at any time prior to the actual trial, a plea is made, and or indisputable exculpatory evidence came out that proved KC’s innocence, the media money train would come to an abrupt halt. In the meantime, someone in the media offered KC 200,000 for pics which she accepted to defend herself against the DP. If the media had limited its involvement in this case, to that which is usually covered, the purchase of the pics would have not occurred. KC would have been declared indigent, and remained indigent throughout the whole process. Seems kind of like the SA is angry that KC obtained money to defend herself, and is trying to punish her by reinstating the DP.
To even entertain the thought that KC somehow anticipated that she could murder her child, and it would become one of the most high profile cases in history, and she could make lots of money, is utterly ridiculous.
Whether or not she is guilty of the charges, to reinstate the DP based on her selling pictures to defend herself, seems fundamentally wrong to me. As always everything in the above post in MOO.

Of course she could have availed herself of some of the 'vast resources' of the State of Florida by asking for a Public Defender, thus negating the need to ever sell photos of her child to the Media. She would have then received the added benefit of a competent Attorney to represent her.

 

[angeldust]

I for one cannot believe for a moment that the SA office put the dp back on the table because of money no way jose :blushing:

more likely to do with the fact that the poor child was found duct taped.... which is enough for me

 

[ZsaZsa]

I believe that at the time Casey sold those photos to the Media she was only charged with child neglect and giving false statements to Police. So if she knew at the time of the sale that she was going to need 200K or more to fund a Murder charge that alone speaks volumes...

 

[logicalgirl]

hmmm ... you've got me re-thinking this now and I think you're absolutely right that KC was able to mooch off of the A's longer because of Caylee ... which makes me think my theory is not a definition of pecuniary gain but rather eliminating a burden to the lifestyle KC wanted that was mostly the burden of parenting ..

I suppose the only way I can see Caylee's death as being for pecuniary gain would be if she staged a kidnapping and tried to extort a randsom out of the A's and something went horribly wrong resulting in Caylee's death ... but that's not what happened ....

(can I take back my vote? :doh

I agree denjet, because my mind automatically jumped to what "big" money was around for ICA to get her hands on. But remember, ICA didn't even know what "big" money was when Caylee was alive - ICA was a "petty" thief. She stole $40 dollars here, 300 there, 700 there - she couldn't seem to think past her overdue cell bill, a target hoodie and some beer for her favorite boy du jour. So I think the idea of supporting Caylee until adulthood, by providing shelter, food, clothing, etc., without help from Cindy and George would have seemed enormous. First tenant of tough love - withdraw everything.

 

[logicalgirl]

Thank you Richard for your insight on this subject.

I believe what led the SAO to seek a DP charge was not made until Caylee's remains were found and found in the condition they were!

I feel the duct tape over Caylee's mouth/nose/skull were the driving force for the SA's changing their mind and allowing a group of Inmate Anthony's peers decide her fate on life or death. This being reinforced by the 31 days of not calling authorities, all her lies to avoid an arrest, nothing credible told to help find an allegedly abducted child, the victim being under 12, the human decomp event in the pontiac's trunk all validate the states presence of mind in getting a DP charge. Of course, I can be wrong since I do not hold a law degree but common sense and logic tell me different..JMHO

Justice for Caylee

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Outstanding!

 

[Aedrys]

I don't think the SA went solely on the money as THE reason the DP was put back on. I think after everything Casey put them and LE through, then finding the remains, THEN finding out that she had made money selling these beautiful pictures of Caylee when they just found a skeleton with duct tape on it - it was just too much.

It's like when a husband cheats on his wife in their bed. The wife may get rid of the husband and the bed. The husband makes perfect sense, the bed not so much on a practical level, but more on an emotional level. I think that's what happened to the SA here. She not only heinously murdered this child, but then used Caylee's healthy, happy images to make money to defend herself. It was a direct slap in the face to the SA and LE. Her attitude seemed to be, "Not only am I getting away with this, but I'm going to make money off of it too!"

So it was bloody icing on the devil's cake, so to speak. Casey couldn't stop at the murder, she had to hold on to her kidnapping fantasy and make money off of it. That is just a despicable thing to do. You don't have the right to take someone's life, and you shouldn't have the right to raise money by selling pictures of the person you murdered.

As for pecuniary gain, I don't see that at all. Casey had NO INCOME. CA and GA took care of Caylee and Casey. Casey didn't work, didn't struggle to pay for her child, did nothing but live La Bella Vita off of her parents. Now I can see her trying to extort money out of them by claiming Caylee was missing, but her anger and jealously turned it into a murder she knew she would get into trouble for because she sold those pics to get a better defense afterwards (and ironically, got the worst defense I've ever seen. I guess money doesn't always guarantee integrity and professionalism).

So no, Casey didn't see dollar signs or a relief of financial burden by killing Caylee. She only saw herself being free of having anything to do with Caylee at all. As much as I'd LOVE to see her get nailed for making money off of Caylee after death, I think that is not going to have as much weight as duct tape on Caylee's face, all the lies, etc. It's despicable, but unfortunately, not illegal. It so should be, though!

 

[ZsaZsa]

From what I am reading, she made the deal with ABC in August 2008.
She and Baez knew at that point she was going to need it, and more.
I doubt it would cost that much to defend her against Child abuse and false reports to Police alone.
Interesting that she didn't use any of it to bail herself out, but luckily for her Padilla rode into town around that time.
Unless the SA doesn't read/watch any media I doubt they were unaware that she was hawking her child's photos to defend herself in those early days. It's not like it was a sudden revelation in Court one day,after the remains were found, then they decided to punish her for it...

 

[Aedrys]

From what I am reading, she made the deal with ABC in August 2008.
She and Baez knew at that point she was going to need it, and more.
I doubt it would cost that much to defend her against Child abuse and false reports to Police alone.
Interesting that she didn't use any of it to bail herself out, but luckily for her Padilla rode into town around that time.
Unless the SA doesn't read/watch any media I doubt they were unaware that she was hawking her child's photos to defend herself in those early days. It's not like it was a sudden revelation in Court one day,after the remains were found, then they decided to punish her for it...

Ah, good point. I guess I meant after finding the duct taped remains of Caylee, suddenly Casey and her lawyer making big bucks off of Caylee's cute pictures was all the more heinous. I wasn't sure if they knew the details and how much money Casey made when they found the remains.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Ah, good point. I guess I meant after finding the duct taped remains of Caylee, suddenly Casey and her lawyer making big bucks off of Caylee's cute pictures was all the more heinous. I wasn't sure if they knew the details and how much money Casey made when they found the remains.

I think the SA knew all along, as we all did . It's impossible for Media to keep that kind of deal secret. It's just one more despicable act of a 'Mother' who was obviously happy to cash in whether her child was missing or dead, and I don't think it had any bearing on the DP. Just shows that she is capable of anything..

 

[debbie0604]

To collect insurance, you have to have a death certificate I do believe.

You do have to have a death certificate for insurance. She never thought that far ahead though. Maybe she thought the body would be found before six months and that no one would ever believe that SHE would do such a thing to Caylee!! I'm just sayin... And also, aside from the life insurance - IMO she wouldn't have to be held responsible for taking care of and providing for Caylee anymore (not that she was ever doing that, but her mother was accusing her of not doing that and maybe possibly trying to force her to do so) - and IMO - all of the money that was being spent on Caylee by her parents would now go to her as IMO she was severely jealous of Caylee. That's just MO though.

 

[LambChop]

I believe that at the time Casey sold those photos to the Media she was only charged with child neglect and giving false statements to Police. So if she knew at the time of the sale that she was going to need 200K or more to fund a Murder charge that alone speaks volumes...

I believe you are right. KC was out on bail when she was preparing the pictures for ABC. Once the DP was put on the table, after the Grand Jury's decision, KC was placed under arrest and bond was denied. No bail for DP charges, so, yes KC was out on a bond at the time. I often wondered if the "high-five" between she and Lee that day was because they had gotten the money. jmo

 

[LambChop]

I agree denjet, because my mind automatically jumped to what "big" money was around for ICA to get her hands on. But remember, ICA didn't even know what "big" money was when Caylee was alive - ICA was a "petty" thief. She stole $40 dollars here, 300 there, 700 there - she couldn't seem to think past her overdue cell bill, a target hoodie and some beer for her favorite boy du jour. So I think the idea of supporting Caylee until adulthood, by providing shelter, food, clothing, etc., without help from Cindy and George would have seemed enormous. First tenant of tough love - withdraw everything.

And let's not forget about the $4500 false deposit she made to her parent's bank account to pay them back what she owed them? KC had no problem charging on her Mom's card. How do you charge that large amount of money without them knowing it? Then you fall for the $4500 deposit slip. Were they in lala land? First time shame on you, second time shame on me. There were more than two times with this family.. It depends who first brought up the "let's sell Caylee's pictures to the highest bidder". Was it JB, or KC? And that will give you your answer. But given the fact that the A's put a copywrite on Caylee's name early on and other strange things grandparents of a missing child just would not do......makes you wonder, doesn't it????? I mean, really, who sits with a media specialist during court. jmo

 

[ZsaZsa]

I believe you are right. KC was out on bail when she was preparing the pictures for ABC. Once the DP was put on the table, after the Grand Jury's decision, KC was placed under arrest and bond was denied. No bail for DP charges, so, yes KC was out on a bond at the time. I often wondered if the "high-five" between she and Lee that day was because they had gotten the money. jmo

I take it LPadilla is still out the $50K he put up for her bond, or do you suppose she would show her appreciation for what he did for her by repaying him out of her ABC money?

 

[ZsaZsa]

And let's not forget about the $4500 false deposit she made to her parent's bank account to pay them back what she owed them? KC had no problem charging on her Mom's card. How do you charge that large amount of money without them knowing it? Then you fall for the $4500 deposit slip. Were they in lala land? First time shame on you, second time shame on me. There were more than two times with this family.. It depends who first brought up the "let's sell Caylee's pictures to the highest bidder". Was it JB, or KC? And that will give you your answer. But given the fact that the A's put a copywrite on Caylee's name early on and other strange things grandparents of a missing child just would not do......makes you wonder, doesn't it????? I mean, really, who sits with a media specialist during court. jmo

Every time Baez carps about Media leeches,parasites and Media Circuses, I want to shout - Who was it that sold photos to those leeches for $200K. I wish Kathi Belich would ask that question...

 

[RR0004]

Great points!
Also...did the computer forensics not show that KC searched for missing children BEFORE Caylee went "missing'? Do we know for sure there was no life insurance on Caylee?

Probably mentioned down thread, but it has been proven the missing children sites were visited after Caylee was reported missing.

 

[Atlanta PI]

Exactly! do we know if for a fact there was no insurance on Caylee? sometimes this are offered at birth from Gerber, I believe.

I thought I remembered reading that there was no insurance. That being said though, even if there were, the amounts for children are usually quite low, with an option to increase to a larger policy at 18 with a "no proof of insurability" clause. Really enough to bury them but not enough to make a large financial gain from their death.

And, if Cindy had had her insured through her life insurance policy at work, the amounts for dependents are usually $2,500 or so. Do we know if Cindy was claiming Caylee as a dependent? If she wasn't she should have been.

 

[strach304]

IMO the wheels started spinning in Casey's head when she heard how much the reward was for Caylee and stated in the jail video that it was half her bail. Then you have the KFN and Caylee foundation all popping up soliciting donations for a search.

 

[Whome?]

I'd like to ask a question:

Do you think CA/GA got the $100,000. (of the $200,000.) that has never been fully
explained what happen to it,since they were probably the ones who took the pictures
and the pictures belonged to them,they would be entitled to this.

What in the world have they done with this money? They do not dress extravagantly,
their home is in forclosure,where is the money?

Do you think JB was the one who advised the Anthony's that they were sitting on
a gold mine with the pictures,because I do not see this family as being media savvy
and knowing what they had(via the pictures,interviews etc) I remember seeing Casey
going into JB office,with a scrap book,Is this the time all this was going on ?