South Africa - Susan Rohde, 47, murdered, Stellenbosch, 24 July 2016

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Graham: The problem that we know have is what do we rely on in your evidence if you can be flawed in this major issue.

Graham: All 50 of your forensic cases have been done wrong - all 50.

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Khan: I should've provided the whole range from 2 am until 8 am, and not provided the mean time.

Graham: The problem is Khan said the time is 95% accurate - if I didnt do some research we would've not known.

Graham: What you should have said to us there is a 95% probability that she died between 2 and 8.

Khan said there is a 95% probability that she passed away at 5:40 with a 5% chance it falls outside of that time.

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Graham: We have noticed up to 5 mistakes in Khan's methodology. Factors such as room temp., body mass index not taken into account.

Graham asks that the matter stand down 2 min so that he could check the availability of a witness.

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my goodness..a tough day in the stand for Khan.. tooth and nail and blood on the courtroom floor. . lots of fancy footwork and a savage mauling by the defence .... Rhode needs that death to be much later than Khan suspects, Rhodes whole story stands or falls on that time being what he says and not what Khan says..



fascinating stuff!!

again, thanks to Prime and Judi.
 
Thanks JJ for tweets. :tyou:

The defence are taking this to the extreme as in HvB's trial, Khan can't tie the time of death down to 5.40 am with 100% accuracy so now his 50 forensic cases are wrong, all 50! Sheer desperation is evident in this trial too!
 
Thanks JJ for tweets. :tyou:

The defence are taking this to the extreme as in HvB's trial, Khan can't tie the time of death down to 5.40 am with 100% accuracy so now his 50 forensic cases are wrong, all 50! Sheer desperation is evident in this trial too!

the prosecutor 's rebuttal of the mauling of Khan will have to be, and I have no doubts as yet that it will be utterly surgical in slicing thru all the palaver and high falutin' excoriation of our man Khan.. That said, if I was up there for murdering my husband, I 'd like VDS I my corner.... he pulled out all the stops, which makes me wonder if this aspect is the main thrust of the defence, the time of death.........
 
I wonder what the correct time of death would have been if it had been calculated correctly, and how and why it would be a critical error if all Khan's other's major findings are correct. It's true that Perumal is a respected pathologist and I was always of the belief that he was a man of integrity. It was said in the OP trial that the reason he declined to testify was because he was present at Reeva's autopsy and agreed with all the findings.
 
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A bathroom door of the Spier hotel where Susan Rohde died can be locked and unlocked with a coin, Netwerk24 reported.

A R2, R1, 50c or 20c coin works, according to Netwerk24's own tests.

News24 previously reported that Rohde told his lawyer Daniel Witz that he and his wife woke up together that Sunday morning. According to him, she had gone into the bathroom and he fell asleep. When he woke later he was unable to open the bathroom door, Witz said.

Hotel maintenance was called to help and Susan was found hanged in the bathroom.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...hroom-door-can-be-locked-with-a-coin-20160923

I've had to use a coin to open a bathroom door in an emergency, I think it's strange JR didn't do the same but of course, this alone doesn't mean he killed her.

There are three possibilities - a) he didn't have a coin or similar instrument to open it b) JR feared Susan was dead and wanted a witness, just in case? c) JR strangled Susan, staged a suicide with hair tongs/dryer cord, locked the door with a coin, needed Hotel staff to find door locked and Susan's dead body.


The actual time of death isn't extremely important because JR doesn't have an alibi to support, he was asleep while Susan hung herself. The defence are calling it a major flaw, they're attempting to discredit Khan's findings because he's given an actual time of death, around 5.40am, if it can't be precise, he's wrong in all areas?!
So Perumal determined time of death between 2am and 8am? A 6 hour time frame which is usual when there's no witness to time of death, IIRC.

I wish we had the time of when JR said he and Susan awoke in the morning; the time he awoke after falling back asleep and the time he called reception for maintenance staff.
 

Went back and found at least one time noted as fact - 8.22 am JR rang Spier Hotel Reception - 24 July, 2016

During the course of early morning on Sunday, 24 July, 2016
, several witnesses saw the Rohde couple arguing whilst visiting one of the Hotel rooms where inter alia Joelene Alterskye (mistress) was socialising with other Sotheby conference attendees. (I gather they returned to their room 221 around 2am, as Perumal stated time of death between 2am - 8am)

Desmond Daniels
, the handy man who came to unlock bathroom door in the presence of the accused, said the accused appeared freshly dressed and shaven. (Does hotel room 221 have 2 bathrooms?)

DNA analysis of blood found in the bedroom matched the deceased and the accused. (So there is evidence of an assault/physical fight between the two.)

On opening the bathroom door, Desmond Daniels saw the deceased lying on her back in the bathroom. She had an electrical hair iron cord, one part loosely around her neck, and the other part, a single strand around the clothing/towel hook at the back of the bathroom door.

(By the look of things as presented, Susan hung herself on the hook behind the bathroom door, the cord snapped and she fell to the floor where she died.)


Rohde claimed that he and Susan got into a ''verbal and physical confrontation" on the night before she was allegedly murdered.

She had allegedly continuously grabbed him and his arm hit her when he tried to "get 'her to let me go''. She sustained injuries and also fell‚ but he said he "never attacked her''. In addition Rohde claimed she sustained injuries before the weekend.

https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/so...-proud-of-affair-but-denies-killing-his-wife/


Were physical fights so common between this pair that they both fell asleep in the bed together? I'm not saying it's impossible but Susan wasn't drunk as Perumal said there was little alcohol in her system, Khan said below legal limit for driving/no drugs in system, and she managed to sleep or did she lay awake in bed and decided to commit suicide? Idk.

JR says they woke in the morning, Susan went to the bathroom and JR fell back asleep, while he slept, Susan had locked the bathroom door and hung herself.

The faeces/urine near her body/the gravity-pulled blood underneath her body suggests she died on the floor, the cord snapped, she fell unconscious onto the floor and died?

Khan has attended to nearly 100 suicide hanging cases.

Khan says no mention in Perumal's second autopsy report of lividity and if it is consistent with hanging. (but she was found lying on the floor.)

I think JR will be found not guilty unless something substantial comes up, there's not enough evidence and he could be innocent.
 
I previously only attached a link to Perumal's report as it wasn't apparent that the time of death was going to be of such significance. I'll now attach it in its entirety.

Khan: Time of death 5:40am
(Khan said there is a 95% probability that she passed away at 5:40 with a 5% chance it falls outside of that time)

Perumal: Time of death 8:00am

A discrepancy of 2 hours 20 minutes.

So JR rang Spier Hotel Reception 22 minutes after Perumal's time of 8:00am

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I previously only attached a link to Perumal's report as it wasn't apparent that the time of death was going to be of such significance. I'll now attach it in its entirety.

Khan: Time of death 5:40am
(Khan said there is a 95% probability that she passed away at 5:40 with a 5% chance it falls outside of that time)

Perumal: Time of death 8:00am

A discrepancy of 2 hours 20 minutes.

So JR rang Spier Hotel Reception 22 minutes after Perumal's time of 8:00am

Part 1

While searching for autopsy in determining time of death, I found this -

Categorising Time of Death
Time of death is categorised in three ways:
Physiological time of death: The point at which the deceased's body - including vital organs - ceased to function.
Estimated time of death: A best guess based on available information.
Legal time of death: The time at which the body was discovered or physically pronounced dead by another individual. This is the time that is shown - by law - on a death certificate.


http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/estimating-the-time-of-death.html

I don't think Perumal gave an estimated time of death through means of autopsy, he treated it as a suicide and reported the time JR and Desmond Daniels found her body, noting the time to the nearest hour. Otherwise it doesn't make sense because her body was stone cold, she must have been dead for at least an hour or two. The state should pose this question to Perumal because it's not right.

The problem here is Perumal wasn't looking for anything suspicious, he did a basic autopsy required by law.
 
Khan said in his Chief Post Mortem Findings, “There is also a fracture to the left superior horn of the thyroid cartilage. – features are indicative of manual strangulation”.

Knight's Forensic Pathology 3rd Ed (the pathologists' bible):

"During manual strangulation the larynx may become damaged in various ways. The pressure is mainly bilateral, so that the sides of the larynx are squeezed. Particularly vulnerable structures are the four ‘cornuae’ or horns, which protect backwards to maintain the patency of the airway around the glottis. Lateral pressure of the fingers can displace any of the four horns inwards, either by direct pressure or by pressure on the thyrohyoid membrane, which then drags the horns medially.

Though the hyoid bone has received most attention in publications as being the marker of violence to the larynx, in fact the thyroid horns are far more vulnerable. Simpson (1985) found that, in 25 successive deaths from manual strangulation, there were 22 fractures of thyroid horns but only one fractured hyoid. ... The hyoid and thyroid horns can be broken other than by manual strangulation. Ligature strangulation and hanging can certainly cause these lesions, though not as often as manual throttling”.

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Khan also said in his PM Findings, "There are linear to curvilinear scratch marks noted to the under surface of the left lower jaw, left anterior neck and right lower jaw".

Knight’s Forensic Pathology:

Linear scratches are the hallmark of fingernails ... Whether male or female, the scratches are of two types: when the pressure is static, straight or curved marks up to a centimetre in length are made; when the nails skid down the skin, linear lines may result, sometimes several centimetres in length.

Abrasions on the neck: Scratches may be caused by the assailant or the victim, usually from fingernails. As with bruising, rough finger-pads (especially from a male hand on the delicate skin of a female neck) may abrade the epidermis and underlying bruises may be overlain by diffuse abrasions, again often seen along the margin of the jaw line.

Scratches are the result of the victim’s attempts at pulling away the strangling hand. As most victims are women, the nails may be long and the scratches more severe than those from the assailant, which are often absent altogether. These defence scratches may run in parallel lines from grouped fingers and run in a vertical direction in the long axis of the neck, though they are often random.

In the autopsy on a strangled victim it is good practice to take fingernail scrapings or clippings for full forensic science investigation.
 
And finally, also from Knight, "Hanging can take place from doorknobs, bedposts and any other convenient low securing point. The body may be merely slumped against the door or bed or chair, with the legs and buttocks supported on the floor, so that only the weight of the chest and arms is contributing to the fatal pressure within the noose".

This is in stark contrast to the testimony of Mark Thompson who went to the hotel room to render assistance and found Susan lying on the floor with her head pointing away from the door. He said, "If she hanged herself on the back of the door I would have thought her stool and urine would be at the door".
 
If the makeshift noose (electrical cord) snapped and Susan fell forward, her head would be facing away from the door. Did she then muster enough strength to turn herself over before she died in the position she was found? The problem is the cord loop around her neck should have be tight but Desmond Daniels said it was loose around her neck.

Khan's autopsy findings revealed the body's lividity indicated she died on the floor which aroused his suspicions along with the "fracture to the left superior horn of the thyroid cartilage”. The large bruise on her thigh has been explained away by her family.
I believe JR is guilty but I think it will be hard to prove.
 
RSBM
While searching for autopsy in determining time of death, I found this -

Categorising Time of Death
Time of death is categorised in three ways:
Physiological time of death: The point at which the deceased's body - including vital organs - ceased to function.
Estimated time of death: A best guess based on available information.
Legal time of death: The time at which the body was discovered or physically pronounced dead by another individual. This is the time that is shown - by law - on a death certificate.


http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/estimating-the-time-of-death.html

What Khan and Perumal would be looking at in this case is the estimated time of death.

The legal time of death is applied to bodies found days, weeks or months after the actual death.

This is explained more fully in an article I'll be attaching shortly.
 
Estimating the time of death

* The following is the article referred to above.

It is important to note that the estimated time of death can vary greatly from the legal time of death and the physiologic time of death. …

Unfortunately, the changes that a body undergoes after death occur in widely variable ways and with unpredictable time frames. There is no single factor that will accurately indicate the time of physiological death. It is always a best guess. …

Normal body temperature is 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit. After death, the body loses or gains heat progressively until it equilibrates with that of the surrounding medium.

As early as 1839, English physician John Davey undertook the study of corpse heat loss in London, and as late as 1962, T.K. Marshall and F.E. Hoare attempted to standardize this analysis when they established a computerized mathematical formula known as the Standard Cooling Curve. In the intervening years, and even since Marshall and Hoare, many others have attempted to devise similar schemes. Unfortunately, none of these have proven to be any more accurate than the current formula for heat loss of 1.5 degree per hour.

The 1.5-degree-per-hour factor varies, depending upon the environment surrounding the body, the size of the corpse, clothing, and other factors. For example, a body in a temperate room will lose heat much more slowly than will one in an icy, flowing stream.

The normal 98.6 (37C) degrees Fahrenheit is an average and varies from person to person. Some people have higher normal temperatures than others. Women tend to run higher temperatures than do men.

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Knights Forensic Pathology says “In spite of the great volume of research and publications already mentioned, accuracy in estimating the time since death from temperature remains elusive. The old rule-of thumb was that the temperature fell at … about 1.5°F/hour, something under 1°C/hour.” and goes on to say that most of the old methods were invariably wrong, but the comments that follow this statement relate to rectal temperatures which was not used in this case.

According to his Incident Scene Report, Khan arrived at the scene at approx. 12.45am.
Susan’s body peripheries felt cool to the touch and her abdomen and chest felt warm to the touch.
Temperatures were performed between 1:00 and 1:10pm.
The temperature in the bathroom was 17.4C with no air movement.
Her internal body temperature was 30.3C.

He gave her time of death as 5:40am and took her temperature at the scene 7 1/2 hours later. We need to add 1°C x 7 1/2 = 7.5°C to her body temp. This would equate to a body temp. at time of death of 37.8C (30.3 + 7.5 = 37.8).

(Normal body temperature is 37C / 98.6F.

While Khan’s time of death may not be precise (only the killer can know the exact time if he looks at his watch), and he may not have used the old "rule of thumb" that I used above, I can't see how it can be terribly inaccurate and why Perumal is so sure his time is correct.
 
I just discovered this in Knight’s Forensic Pathology.

"At present one of the most useful practical guides is the nomogram published by Henssge. Based on conventional calculations such as those of De Saram and Marshall and backed up by a great volume of experimental data, Henssge has produced a method which can be carried out either by a simple computer program or by a nomogram. Adjustments are built in for body weight, ambient temperature, dry or wet clothing, still or moving air, or still or flowing water. The result is given within different ranges of error, with a 95 per cent probability of the true time of death falling within these ranges, which vary from 2.8 hours each side at the best estimate, down to 7 hours at worst. As with most methods, the difficulties arise in estimating the strength of the variable factors. It also cannot allow for variation of these factors over time, especially changes in ambient temperatures during the period before the body was examined".

I went back to Khan's Incident Scene Report. He used Henssge's nomogram to calculate time of death. So he used one of the very best methods to arrive at the time of death. The strange thing is, I used the old “rule of thumb” and got exactly the same as Khan – 7 1/2 hours prior to him examining the body.

OMG, this subject is as boring as DNA.
 
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