Spain - Esther Dingley, from UK, missing in the Pyrenees, November 2020 #5

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    ADMIN NOTE:

    It has have been posted twice before in Esther's threads that suggesting her disappearance is a hoax is not allowed. It is not victim friendly, and such posts will be removed along with all responses.

    ZERO TOLERANCE. Any future posts of this nature will absolutely result in a loss of posting privileges.
     
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    Members may discuss the MSM article but are still not allowed to sleuth MB's social media.

    Also, a reminder to use initials for individuals who are neither victim or a POI/suspect.
     
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    Members may discuss the MSM article but are still not allowed to sleuth MB's social media.

    Also, a reminder to use initials for individuals who are neither victim or a POI/suspect.
     
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    ADMIN NOTE:

    This post lands at random.

    There is an ongoing cleanup of this thread. In the meantime, stop with the judgmental posts and the trashing of the victims. It is no way productive in trying to find out what has happened to Esther.

    ETA: Be careful what you wish for ;) ... when someone says Goodbye, we are very polite and say Goodbye in return.
     
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  7. stmarysmead

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    Just to be completely accurate...I believe the only statement we have from LE is that Dan was “interviewed as a witness not a suspect.” Actually they have no suspects.But it is inaccurate for our discussion purposes to say “he was cleared.” Unless there’s a link to LE saying just that.

    LE still does not know what happened. In the unlikely situation that she is found obviously murdered in some unlikely area...no one has been “cleared”at this point.
     
  8. Puzzles

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    Yes, stmarysmead, LE and some websleuths may well have theories we're not able to discuss on this thread.

    This statement in the LBT dossier has me consider there's information about Esther's disappearance not available to the public:

    "...As an active police investigation is ongoing, it is not the purpose of this document to comment on activities already undertaken or being undertaken by the police forces investigating Esther’s disappearance..."

    IMO, DC has received information from LE which has spawned his theory that a third party caused this mystery. I don't believe it's simply from his hope that Esther could still be alive.

    If searches for her resume on the Pyrenees when the snow melts, I think we can presume LE believes she met her fate, whatever it may have been, on the mountain.

    If searches aren’t relaunched in the spring, IMO that would indicate LE believes she left the mountain, either voluntarily or by force.


    https://42cc80b7-be3b-41e3-a85b-18b...d/4addd9_d8c55b489c6f445b96d6324dd882f5a1.pdf
     
  9. RickshawFan

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    Yah. It was exactly Jim Fixx I was thinking about when I wrote my post upthread that included marathon runners and nutrition deficiencies. Thanks for expanding.
     
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    Snipped for focus
    IMO we can't make that assumption. DC could have been cleared AND he could have been at the van. There's no reason why LE would have to announce that publicly.
     
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    Did anyone figure out if you can see Benasque from the Pic? I tried to find some photos, but got every angle but.....

    I can't recall.... did ED tell DC she was on the Pic in their last conversation? Or did that only show up a bit later in her public SM? Maybe actually didn't know she was on the Pic?
     
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    Dan replaced the heading (picture of the two of them) on the Esther and Dan page with...a street sign (or similar) that says...

    “Col de l'Iseran’...

    Wonder the significance?
     
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    She texted...“I’m on a col/peak so can’t stop for too long but wanted you to know.”

    Then sent two selfies some minutes later.
     
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    Thank you for posting this. Back in the Dark Ages, I bought Jim Fixx's book and became convinced of his approach (since then, I'm not so sure that intense, long aerobic activity provides longevity or health - moderation in all things?)

    At any rate, any number of health problems befall healthy-looking young people who over-exercise, attempt to fast (my students think it's amusing when someone faints from exercise or hunger...going over the physiology of how dangerous this is...well, that's part of my job).

    AFAIK, Jim had heart issues that ran in his family and thought he could overcome them by over-exercising (he likely should have had more medical tests and been more moderate).

    The thing is, a medical event of some kind (even without food issues) is still a possibility in this case. I find that possibility more likely than stranger abduction or murder on the trail.
     
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    She didn't tell him which one, it sounds like. Very interesting..... That configuration on top could be on many many different Pyrenees peaks.
     
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    snipped respectfully and bolded by me for focus

    So, @stmarysmead, @patCee, @PeggyHenry, @Puzzles and @RickshawFan, dare I ask the questions begging to be asked?

    Did DC consider heading to Banasque (via hitch, hike, bike, or some combo of transport) to find and help ED after their last chat on 22/11? Was he concerned about ED's mental state, like we are? And therefore, is it possible DC tried to locate ED on his own for a couple days before reporting her missing on 25/11?

    I have been unable to find any information confirming whether or not DC stayed at the farmhouse 22/11 - 25/11. I have just presumed he did. But maybe he hightailed it to Banasque very worried about ED's welfare, perhaps on 23/11. I am not saying anything is wrong with that. It's what I would have done based on the information I had.

    And I am not implying any wrongdoing by DC at all. The LE may be fully aware of those movements by DC without any alarm. It could be just a big puzzle piece the public doesn’t know about, and isn't supposed to know. For some good reason it might be being withheld. IMO, that is one option that could explain this lingering mystery.

    But perhaps others have information I am missing, about DC's whereabouts 22/11 - 25/11.
     
  17. RickshawFan

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    I'm thinking DC could have got to Benasque on the morning of the 22nd?

    It's interesting that on the afternoon of the 22nd—late afternoon—ED didn't tell DC exactly where she was when she was on the Pic. Why? Perhaps she knew he might be on the way and she wanted to continue on with her "time out" and not be pressured into a whole lot of anything.
     
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    Ah, @RedHaus, IMO, this is a salient question and thank you for asking it. I answer yes.

    I can easily imagine Dan travelling to speak to Esther, in person. In his shoes, I would have been distraught following her strange messages and apparent confusion.

    Long ago, I drove almost three hours, in a blizzard, after receiving an atypical and inexplicable phone call from my partner. I didn't know he was delirious from high fever.

    Today, I'd know to ask police to conduct a welfare check – not an option for Dan.
     
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    There has to be a significant piece of the jigsaw puzzle missing that when appears, will show a much clearer picture.

    It sounds very logical that DC might set off for that purpose. It is difficult to discuss as DC can be thought of as a victim. There is no pointing the finger at DC .. but when trying to find scenarios that fit the many disparate things we know - I could suggest taking that one step further and say he set off before that, when he wasn’t getting satisfying responses from Esther. He may have even hinted at this in messsges to Esther and hence her ‘ I think I can see you’ messages. This may have led to panic .. in them both. Of course this is just exploring options which might make sense of what we know. It doesn’t mean they happened JMO in trying to find scenarios which bring everything else together.
    I can imagine myself doing similar actions .. we panic, get anxious, emotional and we do what we feel we have to. Running on adrenaline.
     
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    Is there anyone who knows how strict the lockdown in France was in late November? Would people accept hitch-hikers? Would police stop people and ask why they were travelling? Did DC had access to a car? How did he get to the search area after ED was reported missing, and he went there to look for her?
     

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