SPAIN - Mother and son from Germany found dead in cave - father under suspicion, Tenerife, Apr 2019

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  1. Vail

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    I don't really know what to say. Absolute horror for that poor child and everything suffered in that cave. So callous to tempt them there with Easter presents. Like the other case of Kelsey Berreth at the moment where her partner blindfolded her to guess the scent of a scented candle before beating her to death, this is clearly pre planned, ruthless, cold and utterly savage.

    I can only give my opinion on this but I would imagine it would cause considerable upheaval to your family when your relationship breaks down and your Co parent ups and moves to another country to lie in a hammock and drink beer. But you do what you think is best for your children, take them over to see him for the holidays. Try and make sure he keeps up that relationship with his children. Do the right thing. And this is how he responds.

    Yet another Chris Watts. Returning calmly home after the deed and enjoying a beer and a deep sleep. Totally, horrifically terrifying.
     
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    Prisión sin fianza para Thomas, el alemán que asesinó a pedradas a su mujer y a su hijo mayor en Adeje

    The presiding judge of the Court of Violence Against Women No. 1 of Arona ordered on Friday the entry into custody without bail and with communication of Thomas, the 43-year-old German man accused of killing his wife and one of his children last Tuesday in a cave in the municipality of Adeje in southern Tenerife. He has been charged with two crimes, those of murder and attempted murder.

    The instructor has taken the decision to send Thomas, 43, to prison, after the statement of the detainee on Friday, that lasted for five hours, and has accused him of committing two crimes of murder or manslaughter, to be specified throughout the investigation. He has also been accused of a crime of attempted murder or manslaughter, in reference Jonas, the other son of 7 years, who managed to escape the scene of the crime, according to the High Court of Justice of the Canary Islands (TSJC),

    The accused refused to cooperate with the judicial authority and only took the floor throughout his appearance to insist that he had to take medication that he kept at home. For this reason, the judicial authority immediately agreed to a search of his home, located in the centre of the municipality of Adeje, to determine which medication the accused was referring to and whether he had a prescription.

    In addition, the instructor ratified the order granting provisional guardianship of the minor who escaped the murder to the Government of the Canary Islands. The judge, who has lifted the secrecy of the proceedings, will allow the child to be visited by a German priest who has been authorized by the family and, if in the coming days he verifies his authorization as guardian, will allow the child to remain in his care.

    The detainee went to court on Friday and denied the facts to the Guardia Civil, stating that he left his family alive in the cave and took off.

    The Councillor for Social Policies of the Canary Islands Government, Cristina Valido, who, after the celebration of a minute of silence in the Presidency of the Government, commented that the delay in the trip of the child's relatives is due to the "impact" generated by the events on the family. It is unclear whether it would finally be maternal grandparents or an aunt who travels to the island, and it will probably be "whoever is stronger" to face the situation.

    She has said that despite the fact that the child has been under the tutelage of the Canarian administrations since Tuesday, "things have been done quite quickly", because from the first moment the German Embassy was contacted and the relatives were located.

    Valido has also said that the child spent Tuesday night at the home of Annelys, the Dutch woman who acted as a translator before the Guardia Civil, since the little one does not know the Spanish language, so that he could speak with someone in his own language, and with support from the social services of the City of Adeje and the judge herself who instructs the case.

    The counsellor has insisted that Jonas has always been "accompanied and attended" by professionals, and is now in a centre for the protection of minors in the Cabildo de Tenerife.

    Silvia and her eldest son were allegedly murdered by her husband and father of the child, in an attack with stones inside the cave where the bodies were located, in the upper part of the municipality, near La Quinta de Adeje. This is what the Government delegate in the Canary Islands, Juan Salvador León, told journalists on Friday. After a minute of silence of condemnation, he asked himself "how a mind can calculate" this "terrible atrocity". "He [ the boy] escaped death, but will suffer the consequences all his life," he added.

    According to the Dutch woman who welcomed the child into her home on Tuesday night and acted as a translator before the Guardia Civil, the children and the woman were deceived by their father to go to the cave and search Easter eggs during an excursion, a tradition widespread in Germany at this time of the year.


    BBM


    Cave, with blood. RIP Sylvia and Jacob

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    Legally Bland Well-Known Member

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    It really doesn't sound as though the surviving child is getting the care he needs. After what he's been through.

    It's almost a week and he isn't getting specialist german-speaking care. Or being looked after by family.

    And the plan is for a German priest to maybe take charge of him?

    I'm sure everyone means well here, but it doesn't seem good enough to me.
     
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    El Consulado alemán intenta que el niño hallado en Adeje vuelva a su país

    The German Consulate in Las Palmas de Gran Canaria has informed this Saturday that it is doing everything possible to return to Germany the six-year-old German boy who fled the attack in which his father allegedly killed his mother and his brother of 10 years, whose bodies were found in a cave in the municipality of Adeje.

    Sources from the Consulate have made statements that the work focuses on the aim to return the minor to his country, where he lived. He has been placed under the tutelage of the Directorate General for the Protection of Children and Families of the Government of the Canary Islands.

    Meanwhile, the child can be visited by a German priest, apparently authorized by the family, who will assume his guardianship once the justice verifies his habilitation, decreed yesterday the holder of the Court of Violence against Women of Arona (Tenerife), who ordered the entry into prison provisionally communicated and without bail of his father.

    The boy, according to Annelise, the woman who acted as a translator, told them that his father had prepared a picnic in the high area of Adeje and told them that he had hidden Easter gifts.

    As the boy told the improvised interpreter, that's where the father began to assault his mother. When she fell to the ground "very badly injured", he started beating his older brother.

    The interpreter, who visits the boy in the children's centre where he awaits the arrival of his relatives, has commented that fortunately the boy went down through an area other than the one through which they had reached the cave.


    BBM


    The way I read it, LB, is that Jonas is in a center with other children. Annelise comes to visit him, and also a German priest. Once the paperwork is ready, I expect that the priest will take him home to Germany. Spain is very strict in these matters, a lot of legal attention is given to the child's situation.
    My very personal opnion is that it is perhaps not that bad to allow the family in Germany some time to recover and to prepare for his arrival given the news that they are too affected to travel.
     
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    Legally Bland Well-Known Member

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    RSBM. I just think the German consular services should have sent appropriate professional(s) (social worker/child psychologist etc.) to look after his interests and escort him home. Not some random priest.
     
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    worldwatcher Well-Known Member

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    SAXONY-ANHALT'S INVESTIGATOR INVOLVED IN THE CLARIFICATION OF THE TRAGIC FAMILY DRAMA

    Madrid/Santa Cruz de Tenerife-The violent death of a 39-year-old and her son on the Spanish holiday island of Tenerife also employs the policy in Saxony-Anholt.

    According to information from the German Press Agency, a request for assistance from Spain is on its way home to the family.


    What exactly the German officials should find out, remained initially open. The family came from various media reports from the south of Saxony-Anhalt.

    Relatives want to take care of the surviving boy. The maternal and possibly even an aunt were expected to arrive on Friday in the Spanish holiday island, according to the Regional Minister of Social Affairs of the Canary Islands, Cristina Valido. They would assist the German boy in this difficult phase and, if possible, could also help in the investigation of the alleged murder.

    The six-year-old has been cared for by social workers and psychologists since Tuesday, Valido said.


    Mutter und Sohn tot: Familien-Tragödie auf Teneriffa beschäftigt Ermittler aus Sachsen-Anhalt

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    However, I hope that the rest of family will be given the time to digest their lost and this awful ordeal,they facing for the rest of their lives.
    I hope also that,there will be a media blackout.
    The little boy survived and told his story.

    I did read that a lot of DNA was found in the cave from the 'father' so when it comes to court,hopefully it will be enough (and held in Spain) to send him to prison for the rest of his life!
     
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  8. ZaZara

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    Teneriffa: Wurde Thomas H. zum Mörder, weil er keine Scheidung wollte?

    He is said to have brutally slain Silvia (39) and his son Jakob (10). Did Thomas H. become a murderer because he did not want a divorce?

    Did Silvia H. (39) have to die because her husband wouldn't let her go?

    Santa Cruz de Tenerife/Halle - In front of the front door of the Gründerzeit house in the south of Halle a grave light has been burning since Friday evening. It reminds of Silvia (†39) and Jakob H. (†10). The woman and her son are said to have been killed by family father Thomas H. (43) on Tenerife! Now also the local public prosecutor's office investigates in the case.

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    Thomas H. has been separated from his wife and their sons Jakob and Jonas (7) for two years. The man, who owns several properties in Halle and apparently lives off the rental income, then moved to the Spanish holiday island.

    An acquaintance said: "The separation was already completed, but Thomas did not want to divorce, had somehow still the hope about the relationship with Silvia."

    Both had apartments in the Gründerzeit building in Halle. And: Already in October 2018 Silvia H. had planned the Easter visit with her husband on Tenerife. This is what her colleagues at the IT service provider GISA report.

    For Silvia and her elder son it became a journey into death.

    The perfidious plan: Thomas H. is said to have lured his family into a cave near Adeje to look for Easter presents with them. Then he is said to have killed Silvia and Jakob, the police found a lot of blood at the crime scene.

    The younger son Jonas, who was able to escape from the death cave, ran into the arms of the Dutchwoman Annelies B. (59). She took him to the police, translated his statement. The woman to BILD: "The father beat the mother in front of the children, she fell to the ground. The sons had to watch everything. Jonas then ran off, he threw a stone at his father."

    Jonas is now accommodated in a state institution until his aunt collects him, she flew to the island after the tragedy. His father is in custody. He is supposedly suffering from severe back problems and regularly inject himself with morphine to relieve the pain.

    Meanwhile, the tragedy is also occupying the authorities in Halle. There has been a request for assistance and a question from the European Union's judicial authority.

    Dr. Ulf Lenzner (48), spokesman for the public prosecutor's office in Halle: "An investigation was initiated on suspicion of murder." Investigators have already searched Thomas H.'s apartment in Tenerife twice. Then they wanted to search the Gründerzeit house in Halle, where H. still has an apartment."


    BBM

    More about legal aspects in Germany:

    Bluttat von Teneriffa: Ermittler in Halle warten ab | Städtische Zeitung

    The woman and her son, who died in an alleged blood crime in Tenerife (Canary Islands, Spain), come from Halle. The public prosecutor's office of the Saalestadt has therefore initiated an investigation on its own initiative, as the authority confirmed at the request of the StäZ. However, the investigations would continue to be conducted in Spain.
    According to reports in the Spanish media, 39-year-old Silvia H., who is said to have worked for the IT company Gisa, visited her ex-partner Thomas H. in Tenerife on Easter Monday with her two children. The family was then presumably lured by him to a cave on Tuesday for the Easter search, where Thomas H. is said to have killed the mother of the children and a son.

    For the public prosecutor's office in Halle, the crime on Tenerife triggered an automatism. "If a German is suspected of a criminal offence abroad or becomes a victim of a criminal offence, our criminal law applies first, of course," Heike Geyer, senior prosecutor in Halle, told the Städtische Zeitung. For this reason, her authority had officially initiated an investigation when the information about the alleged family drama from Spain arrived in the city on the river Saale.

    The files, however, will remain empty, says Geyer. "The Spanish colleagues have signalled that they will not hand over the case to Germany. The public prosecutor's office in Halle, on the other hand, has no intention of taking up the investigation. This would only happen if inhumane prison conditions had to be assumed or if there was a threat of the death penalty. But we are dealing with a case in an EU country. Of course there are no such fears," Geyer told the Städtische Zeitung. Nevertheless, her authority is available for possible requests for legal assistance. Information from German databases, such as the Federal Central Register, in which criminals are stored, could now be retrieved by the Spanish authorities independently online. If the investigation reveals that the father is actually responsible for the offence, Geyer believes it could well be possible for him to serve a prison sentence in Germany.

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    "our criminal law applies first, of course"..... try that one with the Spaniards.
     
  9. worldwatcher

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    I wonder if that's true and if the MSM qouted it right.
    After all the EU law (Court of Justice of the European Union) is above national law.
    To me,it seems that this case is quite unique.

    There is a minor aka survivor and with that there are a lot of strings attached.
    I guess, it comes down to framework,regulations etc.


    Also the family had a lot of proceeding to do with documents,request for guardianship,now that his mother is murdered and 'father' arrested.Wich has the right to a lawyer and of course will be advised to do what is in his best interest.
     
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    Heads up...concerning Social media and using pictures from it:
    "Due to a confusion, a family with the same name had been approached in Germany in the meantime. The photo of the father was copied from social media and distributed on the Internet. The German police advised the family to change all Internet profiles so that they can no longer be viewed by strangers. The victims of the confusion are currently considering legal action against anyone who showed their photos."
    So lockte der Vater seine Familie in die Todes-Höhle von Teneriffa
     
  11. ZaZara

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    Why would that not be true or wrongly quoted? The European Court is a court of appeal and a last resort, no one appears there in first instance.
    Both Spain and Germany are bound by international laws and standards, but this case is a matter of jurisdiction, and Germany can claim all it wants, but it has no jurisdiction in Spain. With maybe the exception of the inside of its embassy, but the father has not sought refuge there.

    Jonas is now under tutelage of the Child protection of Canarias. They will let him go to Germany once it is clear what will happen there and how he will travel. Spain is very strict in these matters, and child-friendly at the same time, they let him stay with Annelies the first night and she can visit him in the center where he is staying. Meanwhile he is protected, and shielded from the press too. They all went to the home of Annelies, imagine if the child had still been there.
     
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    El presunto asesino llevó el arma homicida a la cueva antes que a su familia

    The preliminary autopsy report of the woman and the 10-year-old boy murdered last Tuesday in the municipality of Adeje, inside a cave, indicates that both died from multiple injuries caused by stones.

    According to information received by SER, the alleged perpetrator, former partner and father of the deceased, who is in prison as a precautionary measure, brought the stones with which the murders were executed before taking his own family, making this is a premeditated plan.

    Jonas, the six-year-old child who survived the tragedy after fleeing and wandering for more than five hours, will travel accompanied by a German Catholic priest to his country of origin at the express request of the family. So far, the date of the trip has not been specified.

    The alleged perpetrator is charged with two counts of murder or assassination and one of attempted murder.


    BBM



    Assasination
    in Spanish law is a more evil form of murder so to speak, and may refer both to premeditation, planning and the fact that the victims had no chance to defend themselves.
     
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    I disagree without you about legal aspects under EU law and I do get the impression you mis understood me.
    I was refering to the suspect and upcoming court held in Germany/Spain,not about this young,smart boy.Without him,LE,family and loved ones would be searching..not knowing what ever happend to them...

    And as posted before,I do hope he/suspect will be held in Spain,facing court/Justice.

    No need to explain to me,that Spanish LE,Social workers,family and the ones who found him gave him shelter are all working together in this terrible situation for his best interest.
    I am sure that in the meantime,specialised juriste and officials, both German and Spainish also do so.

    To qoute a prosecutor in MSM about German
    'our criminal law applies first' is really strange,imo
     
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    • The German accused of killing his family in Adeje is already in jail
    The magistrate of the Court of Violence against women ordered the interim release of the detained and without bail of Thomas HR



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    Second search in the home of the murderer of Adeje. GIVES
    By T. Fumero and M. Grillo

    The titular judge of the Court of Violence against Women Number 1 of Arona ordered at 5:50 pm yesterday the admission to provisional prison and without bail of Thomas H., the German citizen accused of killing his wife and one of his children on last Tuesday in a lost cave in the Barranco del Burro in Adeje, in the area of La Quinta.

    The judge made that decision after an appearance of the now imprisoned more than four hours, but, as he did before the Civil Guard, he was very uncooperative. It should be remembered that he did not even help the emergencies to find the bodies, and that when he was arrested early on Tuesday night he was sleeping in his home in the town of Adeje.



    Even so, and given the remains collected by the investigators at the scene of the crime and the decisive testimony of the young son, who fled from the cave when he became aware of the assaults, the magistrate agreed with the request of the Prosecutor's Office and imputed to Thomas for the alleged commission of two crimes of murder or murder (will be specified throughout the investigation) and another but in tentative degree in reference to Jonas, that six-year-old son who managed to escape.

    Specifically, Thomas H. refused to collaborate with the judicial authority and, practically, he only spoke during his appearance to insist that he had to take the medication he kept in his home on Ramón y Cajal Street. , 22. According to sources consulted by DIARIO DE AVISOS, the German claimed that he suffers from pain in one leg and hence the need to ingest the drug he claimed.

    After leaving the courts of Arona at 7:00 pm, and knowing that the judge was sending him to the Tenerife II Penitentiary Center, Thomas was again transferred to his home, this time, to collect the supposed medication so necessary for his health .

    At the time of arrival, at 19.17 hours, the German had to listen to the cries of those who have been his neighbors since his arrival on the island. "Murderer" or "bad father" was heard clearly also when half an hour later He left his home in Calle Ramón y Cajal in the casco ajero. During that time, the specialists of the Civil Guard destined to clarify the facts, who arrived in six vehicles, entered and left the house on several occasions to look for more bags in which, presumably, they kept various evidence. Thomas has heard this week repeated cries and insults to account for the terrible crime on the part of his astonished neighbors, who have not hesitated to besiege him at the entrance of his house every time he has gone for a search.




    As early as this newspaper, supposedly Thomas had planned the murder of his family, who arrived on Monday to the island to visit from Germany, since the couple was separated. The next morning, he took them to the high places of Adeje with the excuse of giving them some Easter gifts (in Germany it lasted two weeks), and in the aforementioned cave he ended the life of the woman and the eldest son by blows, probably with stones The boy managed to escape and gave the alarm, finding the bodies on the morning of last Wednesday. The child is unaware of the fatal outcome of his mother and brother.


    El alemán acusado de matar a su familia en Adeje ya está en la cárcel
     
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    According to Spanish media reports, the boy is currently in the care of a German priest. This was reported by a judge in the city of Arona on Friday evening, reported on Saturday the newspapers "Diario de Avisos", "El Día" and many other Spanish media in unison.

    Priest could become guardian.
    The child's father is suspected of having brutally beaten to death the mother, separated from him, and his other son in a cave. Family members were initially not able to travel from Germany to the Canary Islands. They are still in shock of the news, Spanish media said.
    Mord auf Teneriffa: 6-Jähriger weiß offenbar noch nicht vom Tod von Mutter und Bruder
     
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    El sacerdote alemán podría ver a Jonas el lunes: "Ofrezco mi ayuda para lo que sea"

    Immo Wache, the German Lutheran pastor has made himself available to the authorities to help "as much as possible" Jonas, the little boy who survived the murder of his mother and older brother in Adeje. He has stated in exclusive statements to Telecinco, that he has not yet spoken to the child's family and that his intention is to help in this delicate situation: "I need them to tell me what kind of help they need, be it money so that he can return to Germany, if they want me to talk to him... Whatever is best."

    This man, whose meeting with the little one could take place coming Monday, denied that the family claimed his help, but that he made the offer to assist in such a delicate situation: "I have had no contact with the family. I am not a contact person with the family, only someone who wanted to be of help."

    "If they need that money, or if they need me to talk to the child or even to the father in prison, I will do my best," the priest said. He made it clear that custody continues with the Directorate of Minors and Children of the Government of the Canary Islands, as there has been no change of any kind in the situation of little Jonas.


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    Video with the interview. That did not happen easily. Interviewer and priest have to use various languages to understand one another.

    The confusion even made it into his sermon for this Sunday:


    Yesterday I was called all day by journalists and also visited by camera teams from TV stations. Somehow in the world the false news was spread that we as a German parish had taken up the little boy who had survived the family tragedy of Adeje. It is true that I offered help to the authorities. It is wrong that the authorities have now turned to us as well. As annoying as that may have been, it is remarkable that all the media have taken it for granted: Christians and their church are a living hope in these situations.

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    Pedro Hernández Guanir: “La mayor lección del drama de Adeje es que el niño prefirió la vida a los regalos de Pascua”



    Pedro Hernández Guanir: "The greatest lesson of the drama in Adeje is that the child preferred life to Easter gifts"


    Hernández Guanir, professor of psychology and author of the book Los pasadizos secretos de la mente, [The Secret Passages of the Mind] about the deaths of Ruth and José at the hands of their father, José Bretón, analyzes the double murder of Adeje in this interview with DIARIO DE AVISOS.

    The violent deaths of Silvia and Jacob, in Adeje, at the hands of Thomas, husband and father of the victims, all of German nationality, have overwhelmed the country this week. Feelings of pain and anger increase as more details become known about Tuesday's macabre event at the rural Hoyo del Agua, which hit the front pages of the national media after six-year-old Jonas threw a stone at his father that day and fled across the cliffs to tell a local in La Quinta about the horror that his eyes had seen. Pedro Hernández Guanir, professor of Psychology and author of the book Los pasadizos secretos de la mente (The Secret Passages of the Mind), which deals with the case of the deaths of Ruth and José at the hands of their father, José Bretón, analyzes today the event in this interview with DIARIO DE AVISOS and tries to unravel, even without all the necessary information, what can go through the mind of an individual that leads them to commit a crime of this caliber.

    - The mother and her children arrive on the Island, the father takes them on an excursion to a remote cave to give them some gifts and there, presumably, he stones his wife and eldest son to death. Everything points, in principle, to a premeditated action. What profile of alleged aggressor are we talking about? A psychopath?

    "It is bold to make a judgment without data. Any explanation is possible. It could be psychopathy, schizophrenia or another type of pathology. What is certain is that there was premeditation."

    -This event is reminiscent of July last year in La Orotava where a soldier, as he wrote in a letter, strangled his wife, suffocated his daughters, and then hanged himself.

    "Behind it is a feeling of failure, a senselessness of life. That was a horrific case, with a whole ritual around it. That apparently normal individual would have been an obsessive neurotic, even a ruined gambler. In these cases you don't act out of revenge, but simply decide that it's best to take everyone with you. These behaviors are also those of bipolar people. One of the hidden problems is the gambling of people through the Internet, in their homes. There are dramatic cases."

    -In your book The Secret Passages of the Mind, about José Bretón, the murderer of his children Ruth and José, you write that in order to kill you don't need to have a pathological component, you only need to have very strong convictions.

    "This is what happens to many abusers who are not psychopaths. Conviction is as powerful as any drive. What happens is that if that conviction is associated with paranoid elements, together with jealousy, it becomes a very dangerous combination."

    -And with what mechanisms can that conviction be deactivated?

    "Abuse is combated with prison, which I think is fine, but it is necessary to work more on prevention."

    -What do you mean?


    "Although there is no clear profile of abuser, it can be said that there is a predisposition of those who grow accustomed to strong convictions, either because they are obsessive compulsive or for any other reason. Many people with a very large inner weakness and a very strong armour can adopt an attitude of violence to balance their own inner insecurities. And if they think the best way is to make those decisions, then it's no wonder how many suicides there are.

    -That is one of the great silent dramas, almost invisible in society....


    "Yes, the person who has suicide in his head is convinced that in order to stop suffering he has to die. He thinks that if he disappears all his evils end, he believes that in that act is the liberation from his anguish and obsessions. But in the suicide there can be more motivations, until becoming an element of punishment for the others. It becomes a form of protest and hostile discharge to generate a malaise to their environment."

    -Returning to the event of Adeje, after committing the double crime, and with his youngest son missing, the presumed author chose not to flee and returned home in great cold blood. He doesn't seem very consistent...

    "In his spirit there was not only the intention to plan the deaths, but his relatives would disappear or it would be very difficult to locate them. It was fortunate that the child escaped. What does the alleged perpetrator do? He goes home, drinks and takes a series of pills, that help him to disconnect. It's also a way to protect himself from guilt. In fact, the Guardia Civil found him sleeping."

    -The marriage was in the process of separation. That's why it might be surprising that the mother travelled to Tenerife to meet him accompanied by her children...

    "The mother adopted a very positive attitude. Even though she was separated, she brought the boys here to be connected to their father. It says a lot about her."

    -Neighbors argue that he was a reserved person, that he barely related to anyone. Does he respond to a habitual pattern of behavior of this type of profiles?

    "If he was only reading and being alone, as some neighbours have said, he is a strange person. Loneliness happens in many cases, although it is true that there are also extraverted psychopaths, who are unscrupulous. But not all psychopaths are criminals, that's a mistake. They are transgressors with no sense of guilt, but not everyone has a desire to kill.

    - How do you analyze the behavior of the seven-year-old who survived? He confessed that he threw a stone at his father and fled the place. He was not immobilized by the horrifying spectacle his eyes were contemplating. Why?

    "He detected a danger. He did not think of death, but of the danger of being a victim of his father. When he sees that not only his mother receives strong blows, but also his brother trying to defend her, he escapes. The greatest lesson of this drama is that the child preferred life to the Easter gifts his father had promised him. He was aware that life is more important. He lived an impact, but he was intelligent when he went a different way than the one he had come so as not to be persecuted by his father. It shows that he is calculating. The translator who welcomed him the first night gave him warmth and care. She treated him with a lot of emotional intelligence. The child came from the greatest bewilderment there could be, from a rundown, strange place, from a conflictive situation, without knowing the language... and found in this woman the warmth of a mother."

    - And what is on that child's mind today, several days after the terrible episode he lived through?

    "Now he's distracted, he's going to avoid the fact that his mother and brother are dead. He disconnects. It's a defense mechanism. Cognitive oblivion is a mold of both emotional and cognitive disconnection that is very important in times of accidents and emergencies. The terrible thing occurs when it lasts a long time. Within the child, there is a whole strangeness, a distraction while he is waiting until they find his mother and brother. He lives in the present. He is in no other moment than the here and now. He does not hypothesize, although it does not mean that he does not ask questions that, for the time being, he sets aside as a way of protection. This protection is only good for a certain period of time. It should not be prolonged for long. If that happens, a conflict will arise with much more virulence later. The problem is how that child can be set free at some point. He is in line with his own questions. You have to give him answers progressively, but depending on what he can digest."

    -The tragedy of a child orphaned by gender violence is a drama that leaves its mark for life?

    "A person's identity is interwoven with the identity of the love and perception of the father and mother. In a case like this, all this explodes, the identity is shaken to the core. The greater the trauma, the more progressive the overcoming must be. The key is to find positive things that will help the child to overcome the drama he has lived through. He may present symptoms that express his maladjustment, either at school, not sleeping well or in the form of tics, even if he does not think about the trauma. The danger is that a door will remain unlocked. That's where the nervousness, the disturbances and the discomfort come in."

    -That's where that inner force comes into play, which you maintain we all carry within and which is often yet to be discovered, isn't it?

    "Yes, the human being has the great potential of the virtual power of his mind, which is impressive for the positive and the negative. We create new realities with thought. Thus we alleviate part of the miseries of the world. Faced with an adverse situation it is not only important to change the script, but to find fantasies that lead to feelings of more serenity and calm."

    -With the passage of time, can the author of such a barbarity repent?


    "Everything depends on what the motive is. There are people with a lack of control of conduct, who act with impulses when it comes to stealing, raping and even killing. They cannot avoid it. For repentance the willingness of people to want to change is fundamental."





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    Jonas, the seven-year-old who saw his father kill his mother and his older brother, has not yet returned to Germany, where he lives. He must travel to Halle alone, as the grandparents can not afford to meet him in Spain and Germany has not subsidized travel, according to the ABC newspaper.

    An aunt also was contacted by the about the child.According to the newspaper, the family was advised by doctors not to travel.
    Criança que viu mãe e irmão morrer deverá voltar sozinha à Alemanha
    Hopefully there will be another solution, so that he won't be traveling alone..
     
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    After the killing of a 39-year-old German and her ten-year-old son on Tenerife, the police in Halle searched a family home. There was a request by the Spanish authorities to the judiciary and police in Saxony-Anhalt on suspicion of a homicidal offense, said a spokeswoman for the police inspection hall on Sunday. Therefore, on Saturday, a family apartment in Halle was searched for clues. Further details were not mentioned by the spokeswoman.
    Kriminalität: Polizei durchsucht Wohnung in Halle
     
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    Toman declaración al menor que sobrevivió al doble parricidio de Adeje

    This Monday, te presiding judge of the Court for Gender Violence of Arona, who is investigating the case of the double murder of a mother and her son in Adeje, both of German origin, is taking the statement in pre-constituted evidence of Jonas, the other son of the victim, who survived the attack in the cave and is under the tutelage of the Government of the Canary Islands.

    The "pre-constituted evidence" implies the collection of the witness's statement with all the guarantees of contradiction. The recorded testimony serves as evidence in the trial and the minor will not have to testify again in court. This avoids the need for the child to testify again in court and minimises the negative impacts.

    Apart from the magistrate, a representative of the Public Prosecutor's Office, the defence counsel of the accused - husband and father of the victims - and a technical team specialising in dealing with minors in this type of situation take part in the interrogation, according to sources from the High Court of Justice of the Canary Islands.

    The alleged perpetrator of the events, a 43-year-old German man, is in pre-trial detention without bail for assassination or homicide - to be specified throughout the investigation - and a crime of attempted assassination or homicide.

    In the meantime, the child's relatives have not travelled to Tenerife, and the judge, who lifted the secrecy of the proceedings, has handed over her provisional guardianship to the Government of the Canary Islands.


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