Suspect #1: Dellen Millard *Charged* 1st Deg Murder 15 May 2013 #3

[Snoofo]

Giving the benefit of the doubt here, but isn't it also possible that, if an innocent person is shocked by an occurrence, when asked about that event, he would relate the whole story in detail, as explanation of why he found it unreal and left him in shock?

Or as another example - When a person is taken by surprise, isn't it possible they would relate the whole story as a way of remembering how it happened (rather than memorizing their answer)? I'm sure we've all had moments of "it happened so fast, let me try to remember how it happened".

JMO

Correct AD! And unless we see an exact transcript of how the interview went or better yet a video to better convey full context and tone, anyone can find every line of the article curious or telling of whatever they wish to believe.

So far as Cribbs goes, methinks his article was lost in the over-edit and therefore it would be unfair to say we know anything about Cribbs and what he really thought or felt IMO.

Hey happy new year to one and all!

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[Archangel7]

Giving the benefit of the doubt here, but isn't it also possible that, if an innocent person is shocked by an occurrence, when asked about that event, he would relate the whole story in detail, as explanation of why he found it unreal and left him in shock?

Or as another example - When a person is taken by surprise, isn't it possible they would relate the whole story as a way of remembering how it happened (rather than memorizing their answer)? I'm sure we've all had moments of "it happened so fast, let me try to remember how it happened".

JMO

Yes. I didn't do a good job of describing what I was trying to point out.
Allow me to try a different way to make my point....

When a person is lying about an event(and this is not infallible, but almost) in order to get the lie correct in detail every time it is told, they will use associated events or will associate things(real events) to the lie. They do so in a way that is sensible and memorable to them so as to keep the lie part of the story consistent and exactly repeatable.
Similar to using association of a word to remember a name. So for example if you ask me who that redhead female over there is I might first think carrot, then that causes me to remember her name Car..Carr..Carol. So in this oversimplified example I will always be able to give her name

So if you surprise or ask a person about a crime they start from the extreme beginning of their "association" of events so that they can keep all the details the same/correct every time they relate the event.

Most people would probably answer that the cops came by work and ask about TB, they left satisfied and then on my way home, rear ended my car and took me at gunpoint. Especially on a prison handset under those conditions.

 

[Archangel7]

Archangel7, would it be possible for you to elaborate on the passage in question? Many thanks.

Yes. The word combo was the use of the wording "didn't". It is somewhat usual for a lie to include "did not" when that wording is used.

Bill Clinton, if we remember lied under oath saying something like (I did not have sex......normally one would expect an answer to be I didn't have sex...from a truthful person and without vocal emphasis on the "did not".

Now, concerning DM, remember this is an interpretation of wording from a reporter. That reporter could have used the word didn't as a "quote" and may not mean D actually used "didn't" rather than did not. It is why I carefully added the disclaimer in my original post about exact and accurate reporting of the exact actual wording.

So in summary, it is an interpretation of reported wording that was intended to be used for public consumption only via the media. Not a transcript for a court of law, nor a transcript from questioning. There is potentially a huge difference from an interview conducted face to face and knowing/hearing what the exact wording WAS used.

Detecting a lie or not is very difficult even when reading body language and hearing the wording and isn't an exact science. However I have had some of the best try to lie, as have many other LE.

ETA.......Some people however do know how to lie.

 

[Snoofo]

Yes. I didn't do a good job of describing what I was trying to point out.
Allow me to try a different way to make my point....

When a person is lying about an event(and this is not infallible, but almost) in order to get the lie correct in detail every time it is told, they will use associated events or will associate things(real events) to the lie. They do so in a way that is sensible and memorable to them so as to keep the lie part of the story consistent and exactly repeatable.
Similar to using association of a word to remember a name. So for example if you ask me who that redhead female over there is I might first think carrot, then that causes me to remember her name Car..Carr..Carol. So in this oversimplified example I will always be able to give her name

So if you surprise or ask a person about a crime they start from the extreme beginning of their "association" of events so that they can keep all the details the same/correct every time they relate the event.

Most people would probably answer that the cops came by work and ask about TB, they left satisfied and then on my way home, rear ended my car and took me at gunpoint. Especially on a prison handset under those conditions.

Thanks. Interesting. But we also don't know if he was asked for the full story before he decided to start on the arrest date in full detail. He could have been asked for his side of the story but would not speak about the parts that matter in court (i.e. events of the week of May 6) and was therefore asked about his arrest instead. With so little else he can say, why not give details about the few things he is willing to talk about?
Jmo.

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[Sillybilly]

I find it interesting that DM's expression of shock seems expressed about his actual arrest, but not to LE showing up earlier in the day to ask him if he knew anything about Tim's disappearance.

It also strikes me just a bit curious how he seems to relate to things in terms other than good old "terra firma" ... i.e. the moon, another world, submarine living spaces

 

[Sillybilly]

"I took it all pretty hard. It was a responsibility I didn't want at that time. I was angry at (my father) for the things I had to do because he wasn't there to do them."

He planned to turn the company's new hangar into a "fixed base of operations" — a kind of hotel for airplanes offering parking space, fuel services and car rentals.

Implementation of those plans ended the day of his arrest.

<bbm>

How did those plans end with his arrest? He had already cancelled the MRO designation and was advertising the hangar for lease prior to his arrest.

 

[Arnie M]

MRO (Maintenance Repair & Overhaul) (The original plan) was to be specific to 737 - 747 - and eventually 757 jets etc .... if Donald trump needed a new engine for his 757 they would be certified to do the work ,,, if a (smaller) regional airline wanted a company to handle their pass jet maintenance the Millard MRO could do it etc etc . It is quite involved , certified , lots of regs etc. Specialist engineers (mechanics) specialized tools

FBO (Fixed Base Operator) is much broader in scope , could just sell fuel , or rent hangar space , or be a base for a small airline etc ... no special certification ... more like a local service station for aircraft

 

[Snoofo]

I find it interesting that DM's expression of shock seems expressed about his actual arrest, but not to LE showing up earlier in the day to ask him if he knew anything about Tim's disappearance.

It also strikes me just a bit curious how he seems to relate to things in terms other than good old "terra firma" ... i.e. the moon, another world, submarine living spaces

I'd be more in shock by a dozen guns pointing at me than a quiet and peaceful questioning by two detectives. Can we even compare the two scenarios in terms of what might get an innocent OR guilty person's heart racing?

So far as his expressions go, I didnt find them unusual at all. Sure, the submarine living space designs arent something you hear every day but if that idea was created to keep his mind busy while incarcerated, then it is not so curious, is it? Besides, if he sounds a little whacky to some, consider he has been in solitary confinement for a pretty long time now. A little whacky, or odd choices of expressions, shouldn't surprise anyone in those circumstances, and IMO shouldn't make a person any less guilty or less innocent.

I wonder what MS is up to?

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[Alethea Dice]

Yes. I didn't do a good job of describing what I was trying to point out.
Allow me to try a different way to make my point....

When a person is lying about an event(and this is not infallible, but almost) in order to get the lie correct in detail every time it is told, they will use associated events or will associate things(real events) to the lie. They do so in a way that is sensible and memorable to them so as to keep the lie part of the story consistent and exactly repeatable.
Similar to using association of a word to remember a name. So for example if you ask me who that redhead female over there is I might first think carrot, then that causes me to remember her name Car..Carr..Carol. So in this oversimplified example I will always be able to give her name

So if you surprise or ask a person about a crime they start from the extreme beginning of their "association" of events so that they can keep all the details the same/correct every time they relate the event.

Most people would probably answer that the cops came by work and ask about TB, they left satisfied and then on my way home, rear ended my car and took me at gunpoint. Especially on a prison handset under those conditions.

Thanks, Archangel. I did understand what you meant. I was just offering what I thought could be other possibilities. I think we also need to remember that he doesn't get a lot of opportunities for conversations.

JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

MRO (Maintenance Repair & Overhaul) (The original plan) was to be specific to 737 - 747 - and eventually 757 jets etc .... if Donald trump needed a new engine for his 757 they would be certified to do the work ,,, if a (smaller) regional airline wanted a company to handle their pass jet maintenance the Millard MRO could do it etc etc . It is quite involved , certified , lots of regs etc. Specialist engineers (mechanics) specialized tools

FBO (Fixed Base Operator) is much broader in scope , could just sell fuel , or rent hangar space , or be a base for a small airline etc ... no special certification ... more like a local service station for aircraft

Thanks Arnie ... I did know the difference, but still can't see how DM's supposed plan for an FBO ties in with leasing out the hangar to parties independent of Millard Air. IOW, if he planned on running an FBO, why on earth would he lease out the very hangar that he would need to carry out his plan?

 

[Juballee]

Thanks Arnie ... I did know the difference, but still can't see how DM's supposed plan for an FBO ties in with leasing out the hangar to parties independent of Millard Air. IOW, if he planned on running an FBO, why on earth would he lease out the very hangar that he would need to carry out his plan?

If I read Arnie's explanation of an FBO correctly, renting out (or leasing, as it is also called) hanger space is one of the typical functions of an FBO. Therefore, it would seem logical to me, that offering hanger space for lease was a reasonable part of the plan to turn it into a FBO. In fact, if he were not offering it for lease as an FBO, I think then we would wonder why on earth he wasn't, and it would make it seem more likely that he was up to nefarious activities there.

Personally, I think that if he was really running a chop shop out of his hanger, he wouldn't also be trying to lease it out, since how could you have legitimate businesses inspecting your premises as a potential rental when you are also running a highly illegal business in the same open concept building? Unless the chop shop was actually being run by someone he leased the space to, without him knowing it was an illegal operation, otherwise the pieces of the puzzle just don't fit, logically.

 

[Snoofo]

If I read Arnie's explanation of an FBO correctly, renting out (or leasing, as it is also called) hanger space is one of the typical functions of an FBO. Therefore, it would seem logical to me, that offering hanger space for lease was a reasonable part of the plan to turn it into a FBO. In fact, if he were not offering it for lease as an FBO, I think then we would wonder why on earth he wasn't, and it would make it seem more likely that he was up to nefarious activities there.

Personally, I think that if he was really running a chop shop out of his hanger, he wouldn't also be trying to lease it out, since how could you have legitimate businesses inspecting your premises as a potential rental when you are also running a highly illegal business in the same open concept building? Unless the chop shop was actually being run by someone he leased the space to, without him knowing it was an illegal operation, otherwise the pieces of the puzzle just don't fit, logically.

Good points, all, Juballee.

The interview has not made me think DM less or more innocent or guilty, but it has brought my thinking around to my original thoughts from May and June. As much as burned DNA could look like hiding proof that it was DM, it also could be hiding proof that it wasnt DM, whilst planting all other evidence on his property.

The LB side-story could have stronger links to other people, but since there is no proof of harm being done to her, perhaps the link of LB to DM had been highlighted to make his girlfriend jealous and "fess up" to test her alibi, as she may be his one and only alibi. She was considered by the judge to be "an important witness in this case". I think the weaker they can make the link to his girlfriend, the more likely she will be spilling information if there is something to spill. If she has refused to be interviewed by police, they may have turned to other tactics to get her to change her mind.

If you ask me, LE is not altogether 100% convinced DM is guilty of TB's murder but since he doesnt appear to be assisting them with other options, evidence leads to him, and this was a very high profile case, therefore DM sits in jail. We still dont know why he is in isolation while MS is not, at least not always. That to me is more curious than designing submarine living quarters.
JMO!

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[Sillybilly]

If I read Arnie's explanation of an FBO correctly, renting out (or leasing, as it is also called) hanger space is one of the typical functions of an FBO. Therefore, it would seem logical to me, that offering hanger space for lease was a reasonable part of the plan to turn it into a FBO. In fact, if he were not offering it for lease as an FBO, I think then we would wonder why on earth he wasn't, and it would make it seem more likely that he was up to nefarious activities there.

Personally, I think that if he was really running a chop shop out of his hanger, he wouldn't also be trying to lease it out, since how could you have legitimate businesses inspecting your premises as a potential rental when you are also running a highly illegal business in the same open concept building? Unless the chop shop was actually being run by someone he leased the space to, without him knowing it was an illegal operation, otherwise the pieces of the puzzle just don't fit, logically.

<bbm>

If an FBO was the intent, it wasn't advertised as such when they were looking for tenants in March 2013:

Unfortunately just as the MRO was getting started, the president Wayne Millard passed away and the family decided to shut down the MRO.

That has left the family with a very large hangar and we are looking for tenants.

Ideally it is best suited for an MRO and/or airline, we are open to referrals and ideas.

http://copa8.blogspot.ca/2013/03/large-hangar-available-at-waterloo.html

 

[Juballee]

<bbm>

If an FBO was the intent, it wasn't advertised as such when they were looking for tenants in March 2013:



http://copa8.blogspot.ca/2013/03/large-hangar-available-at-waterloo.html

Personally, if I had a large space to rent out that could be rented in small sections to many tenants or could be rented as one large parcel to one tenant, I think the smart thing to do would be to look for one large parcel tenant first, and if that doesn't pan out, then look for many smaller parcel tenants. Perhaps the employee who wrote that blog post quoted above may have thought the same thing when they wrote that.

 

[Snoofo]

Personally, if I had a large space to rent out that could be rented in small sections to many tenants or could be rented as one large parcel to one tenant, I think the smart thing to do would be to look for one large parcel tenant first, and if that doesn't pan out, then look for many smaller parcel tenants. Perhaps the employee who wrote that blog post quoted above may have thought the same thing when they wrote that.

I thought the same thing after reading Sillybilly's post: what would I do in that situation? Preference would be to let the space for its initially-intended use (MRO), so advertise that; since any tenancy would be considered in desperation so as to cut losses, other ideas and suggestions were welcome.

Why advertise your secondary preference first?

I can't even see why how the advertisement matters unless just to prove he is dishonest or something. If another reason, please explain as it's going over my head (wouldn't be the first time!).

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[Alethea Dice]

I'm not understanding how this would be a contradiction either. We already knew that he had met with the airport manager back in March to discuss plans for the future, including a new tenant or a different business.

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/activity-at-millard-air-hangar-not-what-airport-boss-expected-1.1302652

If he leased it to an MRO, that would seem the simplest solution. While looking for a tenant, why wouldn't one still consider the other alternatives, like car rentals, parking, flight lessons, etc., any other service connected to an airport?

JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Keep in mind MillardAir operated as a FBO from 1990-2011 at YYZ and MA was no longer flying planes at this point (though CM carried on with the hobby until 1998)

ETA: It's wrong to think that MA was a dynamic and exciting place for DM to work as "VP". As an FBO the jobs available would be parts order picker, gas attendant, etc. No pilot jobs available. DM was 5 when MA changed its focus to being a FBO...In DM's entire experience, MA was a FBO.