Suspect: Daniel Heinrich - #3

[cGorg]

[h=1]Judge, Attorneys who Convinced Heinrich to Confess in Wetterling Case Reveal Strategy

http://kstp.com/news/judge-attorney...egy-to-get-danny-heinrich-confession/4405297/[/h]

So LE used the child *advertiser censored* charges against Heinrich for leverage(what else did they have?)...and combined with the DNA evidence of Jared's case(really the kicker- combined with the footprints + tire tracks on DR's driveway).....very good for them-LE that is...and about time......otherwise it appears HE(Heinrich) would never have given up his "secret". Just proves what a MONSTER he is. HE deserves no consideration....legal or moral....he crossed the line.....and apparently doesn't regret it. But he will....when it's too late for him. I hope HE reads this because HIS TIME is coming.

 

[cGorg]

Just my opinion....but it still seems strange that LE used the child *advertiser censored* charges against Heinrich to get at him for the abduction of JW. It is telling that this seems to be an "end around".....so I suspect that LE knew all along that Heinrich was the culprit. Beyond that, I cannot say- but- pornographic pictures on his computer can hardly compare with the murder of an innocent 11 year old boy.

 

[human]

Just my opinion....but it still seems strange that LE used the child *advertiser censored* charges against Heinrich to get at him for the abduction of JW. It is telling that this seems to be an "end around".....so I suspect that LE knew all along that Heinrich was the culprit. Beyond that, I cannot say- but- pornographic pictures on his computer can hardly compare with the murder of an innocent 11 year old boy.

A they had no other evidence they could use. Obviously, it worked

 

[cGorg]

A they had no other evidence they could use. Obviously, it worked

Yes, you're right....it obviously worked. But it still seems to me they suspected him all along...and thus the leverage. And maybe that is what they were waiting for....the leverage. But that begs the question: why drop DJH in favor of DR as POI? Since they had no evidence of DJH(excepting of course the tire tracks and the foot prints) as a POI.....why name DR when they had no evidence against him? Makes no sense. There's still something missing from the story.

 

[human]

Yes, you're right....it obviously worked. But it still seems to me they suspected him all along...and thus the leverage. And maybe that is what they were waiting for....the leverage. But that begs the question: why drop DJH in favor of DR as POI? Since they had no evidence of DJH(excepting of course the tire tracks and the foot prints) as a POI.....why name DR when they had no evidence against him? Makes no sense. There's still something missing from the story.

It is strange. But DR's mother volunteered as to how he could have done it and there were those blood splatters on the wall

 

[Sasquatch321]

Yes, you're right....it obviously worked. But it still seems to me they suspected him all along...and thus the leverage. And maybe that is what they were waiting for....the leverage. But that begs the question: why drop DJH in favor of DR as POI? Since they had no evidence of DJH(excepting of course the tire tracks and the foot prints) as a POI.....why name DR when they had no evidence against him? Makes no sense. There's still something missing from the story.

There was what three or four sit down media interviews with DR before Heinrich was arrested. Not one of those interviews convinced me DR could be completely innocent of the crime. He was so nonchalant you might say.

 

[kemo]

Three years ago, the Special Prosecution Team, set up by the U. S. Attorney's office, took control of this case. From what I can tell, they were not involved in any "investigation" to determine what happened to Jacob, they knew Heinrich did it. They were intent on proving it to the point of either bringing him to trial or getting a confession and settling the issue once and for all. I could see no indication that they ever considered DR, anyone else or even some "unknown" as a suspect.

 

[ELOCsoul]

Three years ago, the Special Prosecution Team, set up by the U. S. Attorney's office, took control of this case. From what I can tell, they were not involved in any "investigation" to determine what happened to Jacob, they knew Heinrich did it. They were intent on proving it to the point of either bringing him to trial or getting a confession and settling the issue once and for all. I could see no indication that they ever considered DR, anyone else or even some "unknown" as a suspect.

Right. When the FBI took over the case they determined almost immediately that Danny Heinrich was the guy. The lead agent even testified that he could not understand why Heinrich was not the lead suspect all along.

A name you haven't heard much of may have been a factor in this case and others that remain unsolved, and that is Roger Van Heel.

 

[human]

Right. When the FBI took over the case they determined almost immediately that Danny Heinrich was the guy. The lead agent even testified that he could not understand why Heinrich was not the lead suspect all along.

A name you haven't heard much of may have been a factor in this case and others that remain unsolved, and that is Roger Van Heel.

Are you going to elaborate or simply make this a teaser?

 

[ELOCsoul]

Are you going to elaborate or simply make this a teaser?

I tried to edit the last post but my phone locked up. Van Heel was a longtime county attorney in Stearns. He did not like to try cases, apparently.

 

[cGorg]

I tried to edit the last post but my phone locked up. Van Heel was a longtime county attorney in Stearns. He did not like to try cases, apparently.

Apparently not. But why reluctant in this case? Thx for the post.

 

[cGorg]

Three years ago, the Special Prosecution Team, set up by the U. S. Attorney's office, took control of this case. From what I can tell, they were not involved in any "investigation" to determine what happened to Jacob, they knew Heinrich did it. They were intent on proving it to the point of either bringing him to trial or getting a confession and settling the issue once and for all. I could see no indication that they ever considered DR, anyone else or even some "unknown" as a suspect.

So it was obvious from the start.....then it became confused.....then it became obvious again.

 

[human]

So it was obvious from the start.....then it became confused.....then it became obvious again.

I wonder if it was because Heinrich did not follow a pattern of escalation?

 

[ELOCsoul]

I wonder if it was because Heinrich did not follow a pattern of escalation?

But he did follow a pattern of escalation, no question about it. Went from being on foot, to using a car, to using the threat of a gun, to murder.

 

[human]

But he did follow a pattern of escalation, no question about it. Went from being on foot, to using a car, to using the threat of a gun, to murder.

And then stopped basically for 27 years. There is the problem. From the book by Doglass is it, how often do they stop their compulsion?

 

[cGorg]

And then stopped basically for 27 years. There is the problem. From the book by Doglass is it, how often do they stop their compulsion?

Indeed. How did such a "person"-I hesitate to call him that-go on for 27 years? Did his murder of Jacob scare him to the point of awareness of what his compulsion and acceleration of that compulsion had done? And that awareness only to fade as the years rolled by....and thus the more "tempered" compulsion of online perversion?

 

[Listen]

Indeed. How did such a "person"-I hesitate to call him that-go on for 27 years? Did his murder of Jacob scare him to the point of awareness of what his compulsion and acceleration of that compulsion had done? And that awareness only to fade as the years rolled by....and thus the more "tempered" compulsion of online perversion?

Very likely, yes. The evidence points to him crossing a line he never intended to, and it scared him enough to channel his compulsions into more passive avenues. This is a completely logical conclusion, and I can't see anything convincing me otherwise unless new evidence presents itself.

Also, and these are just my own personal beliefs on the matter, I think it's important to call him a person and not a demon or some other similarly nefarious label. That gives him (and those like him) much more power than they deserve. He is just a man, and there are men like him everywhere. We need to recognize the reality of this and speak about it in a more open and honest manner if we ever hope to understand why these compulsions develop and how we can avoid tragedies like this in the future. Yes, I feel digust and anger when I see his picture of hear his name, but that's not going to be productive in helping keep other kids safe in the future.

 

[human]

Very likely, yes. The evidence points to him crossing a line he never intended to, and it scared him enough to channel his compulsions into more passive avenues. This is a completely logical conclusion, and I can't see anything convincing me otherwise unless new evidence presents itself.

Also, and these are just my own personal beliefs on the matter, I think it's important to call him a person and not a demon or some other similarly nefarious label. That gives him (and those like him) much more power than they deserve. He is just a man, and there are men like him everywhere. We need to recognize the reality of this and speak about it in a more open and honest manner if we ever hope to understand why these compulsions develop and how we can avoid tragedies like this in the future. Yes, I feel digust and anger when I see his picture of hear his name, but that's not going to be productive in helping keep other kids safe in the future.

This is why he needs to be studied. He really does not fit the profile of men who do this. Grab and kill. They do not stop.

I feel that is why he was not considered later as he did not accelerate his sickness to grab and kill more.

He brought a loaded gun, so he was willing to go that far in his dreams and he acted on those dreams

 

[cGorg]

Very likely, yes. The evidence points to him crossing a line he never intended to, and it scared him enough to channel his compulsions into more passive avenues. This is a completely logical conclusion, and I can't see anything convincing me otherwise unless new evidence presents itself.

Also, and these are just my own personal beliefs on the matter, I think it's important to call him a person and not a demon or some other similarly nefarious label. That gives him (and those like him) much more power than they deserve. He is just a man, and there are men like him everywhere. We need to recognize the reality of this and speak about it in a more open and honest manner if we ever hope to understand why these compulsions develop and how we can avoid tragedies like this in the future. Yes, I feel digust and anger when I see his picture of hear his name, but that's not going to be productive in helping keep other kids safe in the future.

I agree with your first paragraph....and thank you for your sense of a logical conclusion of DJH's behavior. IMHO, it seems to be a descriptive framework of his behavior.

However, I respectfully disagree with your second paragraph. Yes, he is just a "man"-lower case-(although I will not give him that title either). No Man would do that to a child....so he is not a Man.....I will grant that he is a person...by definition and semantics only. I think it gives him less power to be described as such....because he has not earned the title as bequeathed by Societal + Moral Standards. Why give him more than he deserves? Trying to "understand" these monsters is fruitless....good luck with that. Yes, there are "men" like him everywhere.....and they deserve to be called what they are: child molestors or perverts or MURDERERS or whatever nefarious label you wish to subscribe to them.....but not "Men". That denigrates Real Men who would never harm a child. Yes he is a "person" by the fact that he is human.....but that doesn't make him humane nor does it preclude him from being demonic. My hesitation in calling him a "person" is precisely because of his actions that have violated that description and which would equalize him with other innocent persons who have not committed such actions. And so he is what he is. I'm not saying he isn't beyond forgiveness....but he is beyond title. And yes, if studying this person's proclivities would prevent further such crimes, I'm all for it. But giving him any equivocal status won't help.....keep kids safe. He deserves the nefarious label-he earned it!

 

[cGorg]

This is why he needs to be studied. He really does not fit the profile of men who do this. Grab and kill. They do not stop.

I feel that is why he was not considered later as he did not accelerate his sickness to grab and kill more.

He brought a loaded gun, so he was willing to go that far in his dreams and he acted on those dreams

BS. Study him for what? A different kind of killer from the "norm"? Even if LE knew the profile....how could they stop such a criminal? It was a happenstance crime-a very unfortunate turn of events to say the least. So he didn't fit the serial killer profile....so LE left him alone? I don't think so. I think they kept an eye on him the whole time.....knowing he was the culprit. As for TPTB taking a U turn into DR's driveway....that makes no sense-that may be the delay in the case. But in the end, whomever it was, returned to the original suspect and drew the case to a close(of course with Jared's case as a foundation).