Terri 's e-mails on KATU 08.09.2010

[KeyboardCat]

One thing I'd like to point out is that in the emails, when she was discussing Kyron and the seizure thing, she was still referring to him in the present tense.

“The past 2 weeks he’s been acting really weird. Staring off into space. Can’t remember anything. Walks into the room and then back out, stopping to stare and then move on. The doc thinks he is having mini seizures and I made an appt. on Thursday for the next Friday to have him checked out.”

She tells this as a present tense perspective, meaning at least (unless she was smart enough to do this or someone called her out on it earlier) in her mind, he was still alive the day after, at least in her mind.

The rest of the emails she recounts as past tense, but that is normal when a person talks about specific events in the past, even if just a day after the fact. The important thing is when she talks about things that should be in present tense, she does use present tense. Instead of saying, 'He'd been having seizures.... Walked into the rooms and then back out... The doc thinks he was having mini seizures.' (fake quote.)

 

[debirlfan]

For me, what is EXTREMELY odd is the fact that Terri states:

"Now I'm going on another interview for the 5th time...".

As if she is super annoyed. Come on, your child is missing, you would be sitting next to LE spilling EVERYTHING you know. Not complaining to a friend about being interviewed for the "5th time".

Can you imagine Kaine and Desiree ever saying something like this about the investigation??

She's only concerned with HER comfort. Poor me, I have to go interview AGAIN even though I am the last person to see Kyron, so what should I expect?

I can see that two ways - the way you suggest -OR- "why the heck do they keep asking me the same questions when somebody out there has my kid? I've told them everything I know, they need to quit talking to me and go find Kyron."

If an individual was innocent and LE had interviewed them 5 times and they feared that while they were concentrating on them, either the real perp was getting away or their child was wandering lost in the woods, wouldn't anybody get a little bent?

 

[daisy7]

Peeps -

This is turning into a general discussion thread. :nono:

It's time to break out this thread into appropriate topics. Please bump a thread for the topic you want to discuss (i.e., the Dr.s appt) or if there is not a thread on the topic, create a new one.

Thank you.

See above. It's last call and this thread will be closing in a few minutes.

 

[Aedrys]

Man, she reminds me of Cindy A. It's not my fault, it's never my fault, it's always someone else's fault because I'm a perfect mother and can't do anything wrong. I'll tell the world Casey is mother of the year but warn her friends that they better have money or she'll wipe them out. So inconsistent, but stubbornly so. Things just have to be her way or no way and she will get together a brigade of brainless people she can manipulate to make things go her way. These women are so alike it's not even funny.

That one part of the email where she wondered how the teacher could get mixed up about an appointment when Terri hadn't mentioned one and had gone looking at exhibits instead reminded me a letter released recently where Cindy talked about people suspecting her of mail fraud - "why would I be that stupid?" In both cases, they were very flippant, like THEY couldn't have possibly made that mistake, so it had to be someone else that did and that person was just brainless compared to them. And I'm like, do you REALLY want answer to those questions? Do you really think a teacher would pull an appointment out of her butt just to make you look bad, Terri? Come on!

And the seizures thing is so an excuse. I bet she looked up symptoms on WebMD and told them to the doctor. I mean, seriously, how do you make the giant leap from he's not paying attention to he's having seizures? I didn't pay attention either and often wandered away from my mom at stores to the point that she fake left me one day to teach me a lesson. It could be that he has ADHD, not seizures. Maybe I don't understand those seizures you can't see, but to me, for the doctor to think he might be having them, she had to have said more than he's not paying attention and wandering around. Geez, that covers A LOT of diagnoses.

And I've seen a dog have a seizure a few times, and it scared the hell out of me. My friend had to explain to me that the dog was okay, and it had something to do with the age of the dog. I think if a doctor told me it might be seizures I can't see, I'd still run my child to the ER. That word just terrifies me, yet it seems like Terri was perfectly okay with waiting a week to see a doctor about it. How convenient for her. All of these emails are just more conveniences to explain herself away that day, and they are a major EPIC FAIL at that.

I've known people like Terri, who can turn anything and everything around to make them the victims. Those people totally frustrate and aggravate me because they do it and don't care who they hurt. It's all about them and their needs. They could be totally in the wrong but still make their victim feel like crap for it. They are #1, and everything else comes in a distant second. Terri just makes me so MAD. How dare the police question her about her missing stepson. How dare the teacher be wrong about an appointment, how dare anyone think she had anything to do with this, and hey, she's got the proof of her innocence in her hands.

Yeah, well, it ain't working, Terri. And apparently one of your former friends has decided to passive aggressively tell you that it's over by releasing these emails not to the police, but to the Oregon media. And it can only get worse from here. I sure hope Houze isn't inching out of the door on you.

 

[debs]

Agreed. And I also think that she most likely exaggerated many things, and perhaps, if suffering from low self-esteem (plus a troubled 3rd marriage in which she believed hubby was having an affair) she would tend to try and get "strokes" however she could. And I think she collected friends who were histrionic jr. high school girls. Speaking of that, is the cell phone gang Portland's version of valley girls? :woohoo:

Like, oh my god! cell phone girl
Like - totally cell phone girl
Portland is like so b!tchen cell phone girl
There's like the Fred Meyer cell phone girl
And like all these like really great drop in gyms
I love going into like drug stores and stuff
I like buy the neatest baby meds and stuff
Its like so b!tchen cuz like everybody's like
Super-super nice...
Its like so b!tchen...

Gag me with a spoon

 

[nosysw]

In TH's own words, how WOULD a teacher get it wrong that she said she was going to a dr.'s appt w/Kyron as opposed to that she was going to look @ the exhibits ?

Setting up excuses/alternate explanations for Kyron's disappearances:

Male chaperone and 2 girls
Kyron's bookbag and coat still @ school
Health Problems


She seem awfully laid back when talking about Kyron---this was the day after and she was talking about being on the BLOGS not WHERE IN THE HECK IS KYRON????

BTW: I'm pretty sure this has been asked and answered...Does a child need a coat in June in Portland?...It may be cooler than here granted but my kids are going to school in shorts and short sleeves at that time of year...(I'm in the Northeast)...If she brought it, and mentioned it in her email, was it part of her alibi to say it was still there?

 

[adh74]

With the many interview by LE, Terri must have told them the exact same info as in these E-Mails.

LE can verify if FM was out of the medicine Terri wanted that day!
LE can verify with the Dr. if Terri called and if he gave a possible diagnosis of petit mal seizures - or absence s.

LE can verify the second purchase at FM where Terri bought the medicine.

So what is it people aren't believing? TIA

The fact that all of these things ARE varifiable, and LE is still looking at TH, tells me that they tried to verify these details and were still unable to rule TH out. My guess is they found holes in her story (as many have pointed out...there are a lot of holes in her story), and are now trying to figure out what REALLY happened.

 

[Chablis]

It was the no go part that strikes me as odd. Like, no go as in she didn't get her baby to sleep? Not an ideal time to go to the gym and leave a possibly sick toddler in the daycare but it's not a good idea when the child needs a nap and hasn't slept, even if they're not sick.

Well, I am sure the baby was not sick to begin with.

As for Kyron acting weird in the past weeks, this screams poisoning of some sort. I think she was slowly hurting Kyron somehow using something...

 

[Aedrys]

Well, I am sure the baby was not sick to begin with.

As for Kyron acting weird in the past weeks, this screams poisoning of some sort. I think she was slowly hurting Kyron somehow using something...

Or maybe like someone else in another case I'm following, she was sedating him so she could do her things without him interfering. Being a mommy just is not as important as sexting and posting on FB. I bet she sedated baby K a lot too, which could account for KH saying she was a new child.

 

[TxLady2]

I am having the same problem with my daughter's opthamologist. We changed insurance and my daughter needs a referral for an eye doctor she's been seeing for years! It's driving me crazy!! However, she did not need a referral for her neurologist.

Which reminds me. Couple months ago, my g/d was having episodes of her eyes crossing and seeing double. When my son & dtr-in-law noticed it, they took her straight to the ER and she was sent to Childrens Hospital in Dallas. Docs there checked her out but couldn't find the problem. Told them to make an appt. with an opthamologist and they would go from there. They suggested she might have lazy eye. She was NOT reffered to a neurologist. The earliest she could get an appt. with the opthamologist was over a month later. Turns out it was caused by her being super-tired, and she has not had an episode since.
To me, that sounded like it was serious, but apparently, it wasn't. Doctors are funny like that.
If Kyron had complained of headaches, or was passing out, or had blurry vision more than usual... they might take it seriously enough to send him straight to a neurologist. But blank stares, loss of memory (every kid has that on occasion!) or walking in and out of a room... just doesn't sound serious enough to get to see a specialist right away. And it's possible Terri did mention it to Kaine, but he put it aside... he seems rather oblivious to me. JMO.

 

[Emma Peel]

IMO,

There was likely no medical reason for sense of emergency over what was likely a specialist's appointment.

Getting in to see a Neurologist, upon the recommendation of your pediatrician or GP, one week later is actually pretty good. Also - upon the urgent recommendation of your doctor, the specialists will make more urgent appointments - Kyron likely didn't present as an emergency.

Time frame between doctor's discussions/appts does not cause me any alarm. Also, all of these doctor conversations/appointments are readily verifiable by LE and likely have been checked out...something to remember...

I am very interested that Kyron never made it to this doctor appointment. I am interested as to why Kaine *shrugged* when he's been asked about Kyron's specialist doctor's appointment. I'm interested to know if Kyron's recent spaciness had been mentioned to Kaine and Desiree - or if Terri was just following up on what she noticed on a doctor's appointment for another purpose. It sounded like this doctor's appointment had just been booked (called on Thursday for next Friday).

One cause of seizures is head injury - it doesn't have to be a recent head injury.

Too many Secrets in this family and in this investigation.

I am very curious as to why the doctor appointment information, as well as the talent show information is kept such a guarded secret by the family and/or by investigators.

BTW, one motive for disappearing a child is when the truth of abuse, or other family secrets, is threatened to be exposed.

Fascinating to hear from Terri.

IMO there is no support in any information we have for any theory of MbP. Terri following up with doctor appointment and picking up medicine for a her 18 month old are completely normal activities.

 

[Gin]

Hmmmm. So you call to make an appointment for Kyron because he's been:
"Staring off into space. Can’t remember anything. Walks into the room and then back out, stopping to stare and then move on" and the doctor says, over the phone, he might be having seizures so lets see him next week?? Really?? No immediate workup??

Exactly. And may I add that some of these symptoms TH reports are exactly the same for children who have been the victims of emotional or physical abuse. They zone out to kill the pain. My heart aches for Kyron.

 

[Emma Peel]

IMO, the context of her e-mail here is extremely important and relevant and must be taken into consideration. Particularly the repeating of her investigation-related facts to a friend.

I don't see it as extremely selfish or suspect or defensive because of context.

1) we are shown selective parts of Terri's e-mail communication, and 2) she was in the process of being grilled by investigators and probably needed to talk about it and express how she was trying to account for her time, and 3) she was extremely worried about strangers at the school she'd heard about and 4) she did take the picture that day and it WAS the picture first used for Kyron's missing photo, and 5) she was worried about his health and spaciness so much as was her doctor that he even had a doctor's appointment...

Granted the recitation is a lot of info - and had she not been in the process of putting all of this together with the police over the previous 24 hours, it would be weird to recite it all to a friend. But...this is not the case. In fact, Terri's last 24 hours had been reliving these details over and over - recreating her timeline and thinking about all the things that might have gone wrong. This was her job and her responsibility in those first 24 hours.

If we assume for a minute Terri is fresh to this crisis, she was also probably in shock, had no sleep, and was working on adrenaline, doing what investigators directed.

BTW, do we know for certain it was in the first 24 hours that Terri said she wants to scream because the blogs are blaming her? Or is this just random quoting of her e-mail chain with a friend?

Context. It's important. A reasoned and fair analysis of any conversation considers context.

 

[SurfieTX]

“I have a receipt showing I was checking out at Fred Meyer 7 miles away at 9:12am. I went to another FM looking for meds for baby K they didn't have at the first FM. Then I was trying to get baby K to sleep in the truck for a few minutes, but no go, so off to the gym at 11:20."

Two things - first the medicine. These days, there isn't a whole lot you can get over-the-counter for toddlers. They quit selling cough/cold medications for young kids. That leaves Tylenol, ibuprofen, tooth/gum numbing medication, and perhaps saline drops for nasal congestion and/or eyes. ALL of these medications are sold everywhere - even in convenience stores.

Second, the "few minutes" statement. Whaa? Wasn't she driving around for more like almost an HOUR AND A HALF? Either she's got a really skewed internal clock or she's trying to minimize her aimless, calming-baby-K-down drive around Portland.

 

[daisy7]

This thread is now closed. Please go find a thread for the topic you want to discuss or create a new one, if needed.

 

[Kimster]

This thread was closed because it went way off topic and started out with more speculation about the upcoming emails than discussion about the emails themselves. It makes it very hard to get information when that happens. Feel free to open other topic threads from this report if you'd wish. I see there is one about the male chaperone already.

Here is the link to the news report for those who are here looking for it.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html