The Booby Trapped Apartment

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  1. rollinginit

    rollinginit Active Member

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    Wonder....were the residents outside or inside?

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-Holmes-24-booby-trapped.html#ixzz25PbhBrrq

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...firefighters-prepare-enter.html#ixzz25Pcpy34X
     


  2. ladeda7777

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    Really good questions.

    I think the only reason we heard about the booby-trapped apartment is because there was a rush for LE to get to that scene to examine/dismantle/disarm what they found and prevent further injury. Was this on the audio from LE/Fire that night?

    So why did he tell the police? I think this probably goes to his state of mind. I think he probably told police about the apartment for the same reason that he called University emergency line before he went in to the theater and the same reason, he told Fenton about his plan.
    I had insomnia, best wishes with that, it is a terrible thing.
     
  3. HastingsChi

    HastingsChi Well-Known Member

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    When I first moved to Chicago I foolishly moved into a really nice but older garden apartments building. I'd never lived in an older building before and quickly learned that I couldn't hear anything from my neighbors on either side of my apartment but could hear everything from the unit above and below me; I hated it more than words can express. I share this because it could help explain why the next door neighbor heard nothing but the one who lived below him heard everything.
     
  4. rollinginit

    rollinginit Active Member

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    I've thought about this case way more than I probably should.:what:

    I keep trying to figure out....if JH's has a mental issue, a real and true one, which one would he have that can still let his brain focus on wiring his apartment up for a long period of time? I really can't come up with a mental that can make somebody that focused and calm.

    Seems like you would need a clear, focused mind to rig up what he had rigged up. First off, he had to research exactly what and how to do it. Then he had to order supplies. He didn't get all his supplies at once b/c LE said he had MANY deliveries over 4 mths. Then he had to wire and assemble all of it. AND he had to do that all very carefully to make sure he didn't hurt his own self during the process. Even if he didn't wire the main wire until the last moment....he still had to take care not to knock over all the chemicals he had.
     
  5. rollinginit

    rollinginit Active Member

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    Yes, that makes sense. My hubby could sleep through anything. I am not so lucky.
     
  6. ciela

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    I read a biography of a woman who got through medical school and an internship with full blown schizophrenia. She was amazing. She was experiencing intense auditory and visual hallucination of helicopters, bombs etc. She had to really focus her mind on her studies and at times it was worse, other times nearly overwhelming. Later, she was cured by kidney dialysis, this was documented and was part of a major clinical trial. My point is that mental illness can be complicated, elusive and puzzling in the presentation of symptoms especially when there is an -organic- origin such as toxins, substances (abuse) or co-existing mental/physical diagnosis. An example of dual co-morbidity: schizophrenia with substance abuse (self-medicating). Just because someone has delusions and a major dx does not mean they are incapable of planning and executing a big event.

    If interested: http://www.amazon.com/WELCOME-SILEN...ummary_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
     
  7. newsleuther

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    My husband suffers from a mixed state form of depression (agitated depression).

    He could focus on programming meticiously for hours and hours at a time, then flip out because he couldn't find the remote.
     
  8. newsleuther

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    From the hearing today, it was revealed that he directly told them about the explosives in his apartment.

     
  9. HastingsChi

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    Not questioning the accuracy of the officer, just questioning Holmes' long rumoured statement to the officers about the apartment: you go through all the effort to booby trap your apartment, why tip them off?
     
  10. newsleuther

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    Yes, it is very odd. At first, I thought maybe he didn't tell them directly. Maybe he said something like "how many of you did my apartment kill?" or something like that. But with this testimony, it appears he told him about it directly. Very, very odd.
     
  11. HastingsChi

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    Something rollinginit posted in one of the other threads makes me wonder if he was tested for methamphetamine (the smell, sweat, obvious paranoia of booby trapping his apartment, the crazy eyes, the crazier actions, the dramatic change in appearance, behaviour, personality, the rambling to officers about his apartment, stockpiling weapons)...

    Seriously I wonder why with every other shocking incident in early to fall 2012 being blamed on bath salts how did Holmes never get the bath salts blame?

    Also I hadn't heard my new Holmes possibly on meth theory before, had it been mentioned previously?
     
  12. tezi

    tezi Member of Websleuths since 2000.

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    According to early reports, he was taking vicodin (hydrocodone). It was also mentioned in either The Denver Post coverage or thedenverchannel.com coverage yesterday, that three prescription bottles were taken into evidence, but the names of the drugs weren't released.
    Just as side note, bath salts were a problem also in 2011, so who knows with Holmes?
     
  13. HastingsChi

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    I tend to believe that bath salts became the go-to reason when speculating about the cause of a horrific event. To my knowledge none of the prominent cases that were initially blamed on bath salts turned out to be correct.
     
  14. newsleuther

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    http://www.reddit.com/r/AuroraCase/comments/166jmb/day2_preliminary_hearing_twitter_updates/

    10:44am by @Oh_Fender FBI bomb tech testifies in #theatershooting case. Holmes left trip wire across door @ 5ft attached to thermos full of glycerine.
    by @rwmccallum

    Court is in recess until 11 am (will still post updates when they arrive)

    by @john_ingold Breaking from #theatershooting hearing: Holmes told cops he wired apartment to blow to draw police to his apartment, away from theater.

    10:47am by @john_ingold And FBI bomb tech recounted devilish scene in Holmes apartment. Jars filled with homemade napalm and thermite. Carpet soaked in gas.

    by @Oh_Fender Thermos perched over frying pan of chemicals. The combo would have caused sparks designed to ignite carpet full of gas #theatershooting.

    by @john_ingold A trip wire connected to a thermose filled with glycerine that was perched over a frying pan with another substance.

    by @Oh_Fender Court gets first glimpse of the inside #theatershootung suspect Home's apartment throufh photos.

    by @john_ingold If wire tipped thermos, glycerine and other substance would combine to spark, which would catch carpet on fire, setting fuses to jars.

    by @john_ingold Holmes, interviewed afternoon July 29, said he set his stereo to play loud music to attract attention, hoping somebody would hit trip wire.

    @john_ingold He also told cops he put a "pyrotechnic firing box" on top of his refrigerator, wired to 6-inch fireworks shells. Box was remote controlled
     
  15. newsleuther

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    Maybe the reason he told the cops was because the original plan was to draw them away from the theater? Meaning, the cops would have responded to his apartment for the loud music, set off the bomb, more cops would have responded, and then the shooting would have started with the cops already occupied elsewhere? Since that plan didn't work, he told them about the explosives? Still seems odd.

    It also seems like he spoke to the cops a lot more than was originally reported. From original reports, they made it seem as if he wasn't talking.
     
  16. newsleuther

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    Another strange detail

    by @john_ingold He put the remote, FBI bomb tech said, next to a remote controlled car in an alley. Hope was someone would play with car, hitting remote.

    10:53am by @john_ingold That was all according to the testimony of FBI bomb tech Garrett Gumbinner, who interviewed Holmes afternoon of July 20 More to come from Gumbinner after break, which ends in about 5 minutes.
     
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  18. tezi

    tezi Member of Websleuths since 2000.

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    Oh, I did not mean to imply that I thought Holmes was on bath salts. I also don't think Holmes was on meth either. Just like I do not think the vicadin was to blame.

    JMO, IMO, :moo: , and all other disclaimers.
     
  19. HastingsChi

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    When I heard about the gas soaked carpet I don't understand: how anyone in the building didn't complain about the pungent odor of gasoline and how it is possible that the neighbor girl who went to his door to complain about the music never once mentioned noticing the unmistakable odor of gasoline...
     

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