The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 2nd July - Trial Day 14, Week 3

Discussion in 'Allison Baden-Clay of Australia' started by marlywings, Jun 3, 2014.

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  1. itsthevibe

    itsthevibe Verified insider - Allison Baden-Clay case

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    I can see that you have done that. Possibly the disagreemnet is because there are a lot of people who have started off like you 2 years ago and been unsure, had an open mind etc but eventually after a very long time of digesting all of the information and having robust discussions here they have formed an opinion. I think a big part of it depends on how long you've been absorbing every little detail of the case.

    I dont think anyone here disagrees with people getting a fair trial, and I dont think they are hanging him out to dry without weighing all of the evidence. There has been very little evidence at all in this trial that didnt come out in the first few months and at the bail and committal hearing, so people have had a long time to weigh up the information.

    For me, there were certain things that were 'deal-breakers' which to my mind had no other explanation. And nothing has been disclosed since then to discount those things.
     


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    toe New Member

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    Has if been confirmed if the Insurer was contacted prior to Allison's body being identified?
     
  3. Trooper

    Trooper On Time Out

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    in QLD , I am not sure.. no time to look it up, but appeal in regard to his sentence would be along the lines of the length the judge goes to in directing as to how long he has to serve before he has a possibility of parole..

    Most Murder appeals, at least in NSW and VIC are along those lines.. the murderer wants to have a definitive time , and of course, always less than the judge decrees in regard to the potential of applying for parole.. most are knocked back.. it very much depends on the circumstances..

    Every convicted murderer has parole at the forefront of the mind...
     
  4. itsthevibe

    itsthevibe Verified insider - Allison Baden-Clay case

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    yes - well done! I certainly hope a thorough and unequivocal picture is painted.
     
  5. Liadan

    Liadan Well-Known Member

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    Wow Thank You - this is definitely GBC's MO - he always celebrates before the event is over - it is his undoing. His ego needs to be stroked so the first sign of something going right he is there to remind everyone!
     
  6. Amee

    Amee Active Member

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    Her husband phoned Asteron Life Insurance on May 1, 2012, the day after Allison was found.

    Mr Baden-Clay asked how he could make a claim on his wife's life insurance.


    http://m.noosanews.com.au/news/baden-clay-wanted-hush-hush-over-marital-woes/2299880/




    Body found in creek is Allison Baden-Clay

    2 years ago May 01, 2012 6:00PM



    A WOMAN'S body found on a creek bank in Brisbane's west has been identified as that of missing mum Allison Baden-Clay.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/hop...d-at-kholo-creek/story-e6frfkvr-1226343535002
     
  7. LadyBird1

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    Yep. Me too. A mother would instinctively ask if everything is ok.
    (This scene has been playing over and over in my mind a lot. Together with the thought that these children's recollections may have rearranged.)
    Mother would not sit or lie there like a zombie and say nothing at all.
    Whilst Father supposedly ironed away merrily. (Wearing pyjamas and shoes)
    No. Something not right with that picture.
     
  8. they'll get you

    they'll get you On Time Out

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    That gives me hope. :praying:

    .:grouphug::grouphug:
    :grouphug: hugs for Mr and MrDickie:grouphug:
    :grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:
     
  9. marlywings

    marlywings Former Member

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    Absolutely agree Trooper. All of Sica's appeals to date have been knocked back. I'm not sure he'll ever get another go at it.

    There really are very few who win an appeal. Woods is probably the only recent one.
     
  10. possumheart

    possumheart Well-Known Member

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    So it just comes down to when he was told. Her jewellery was distinctive so DNA would be to confirm what would have been a no brainier. I was lead to believe he claimed before it was official, we don't know when he was told. Nige and he seem to have different recollections.
     
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    I would have thought mobiles, iPads, laptops, TV channels and newspapers were banned in their hotel rooms.

    I would have thought contact with outside family etc was scheduled and monitored.

    Entertainment would be selected books, magazines, cards, board games, movies on provided screens (not with TV access)

    ?

    jmo
     
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    I hope this jury interference by channel 9 doesn't mean a mistrial.
     
  13. they'll get you

    they'll get you On Time Out

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    I've an ice pick I can post....who to?
     
  14. HoolyDooly

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    With yellow ribbons? This was her favourite colour, yes ?
     
  15. Amee

    Amee Active Member

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    We heard the sim card was ruled out. Shame these gloves werent missing a fingertip....

    Police had searched an area within a 500m radius from where Mrs Baden-Clay's body was found, he said, and had recovered items including a SIM card, gloves and a drink bottle.

    However the area is frequented by the public and it was yet to be determined whether those items were connected to Mrs Baden-Clay.

    Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...n-badenclay-20120501-1xwsw.html#ixzz36IgLkM00
     
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    Are the Jury sequestered? They don't go home each day?
     
  17. Trooper

    Trooper On Time Out

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    Ive just remembered... Carol Overington. . who has been doing the tweets from the court ,relayed into here by those specialist WebSleuthers with astounding reliability.. ..

    she wrote a book about a murder.. a horrible thing, ..Jamie Ramage.. he murdered his wife.. but he used, as a defence , the concept of Provocation. His sentence so outraged the general public that the law of Provocation has been struck from the books since his case...

    Wouldn't Gerard have loved to plead on those grounds.. Alison being provocatively depressed and compliant, and civil and non violent.. non abusive and forgiving..
     
  18. tarjessi

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    It's odd at times with the defence case...maybe they knew he would always take the stand and that would be his downfall. All they had as counter witnesses were two people who read statements who gave opinions that weren't all that valid given the strong case prepared by the prosecution. Allison wasn't suicidal and that has been made clear by her counsellors and even by GBC surprisingly. Well he was all over the place, she was happy, mostly up on one hand and then tried to make out she did nothing and was despondent on the couch most days on the other.

    It's almost like the defence didn't even really try...or maybe it was just a hard case to defend. Go to Jail Gerard - go directly to jail - do not collect your dirty insurance money.
    :jail::jail:
     
  19. JCB

    JCB Active Member

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    What may be the defining issue between the 2 cases, in the Sica case there was unquestionably a murder committed (3 in fact) and he was witnessed in the immediate area around the time of the murders. In this instance murder is far harder to establish and not a single witness has placed GBC anywhere near the location where Allison's body was found.
     
  20. possumheart

    possumheart Well-Known Member

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    You can see here an article about the body discovery.
    http://www.qt.com.au/news/body-found-mt-crosby-weir/1362605/

    On 30th Apr 2012 1:05 PM they announced a body had been found at 11:00 AM

    Article was Updated: 1st May 2012 8:09 AM to say it was Allison.
    :dunno:
    That's how I interpret it.

    So maybe it is an urban myth that they claimed too soon.
    :dunno:
     
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