The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 2nd July - Trial Day 14, Week 3

Discussion in 'Allison Baden-Clay of Australia' started by marlywings, Jun 3, 2014.

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  1. PrimeSuspect

    PrimeSuspect Under the Milky Way

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    The whole exchange makes me sick, even more than his bloomin' sex life. :puke: It shows contempt. He's clever, oh so clever. :banghead:

    Somehow, I think GBC is enjoying all this. If he gets away with it, his almighty ego will know no bounds. jmo :(
     


  2. JCB

    JCB Active Member

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    Very unlikely to result in a mistrial but could potentially be grounds for appeal should there be a conviction. Having said that, something else that happened yesterday may be far more injurious to the Crown case in the event of conviction and appeal (in my opinion) but obviously won't elaborate further at this stage.

    No, QLD jurors get to go home.
     
  3. Liadan

    Liadan Well-Known Member

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    I have to say that Todd Fuller was STUNNING today! He blew any doubt of this defence witness muddying the prosecution theories of what happened to Allison totally out of the water!! I think he had more idea about the science at this point than the actual toxicologist. It was truly and completely impressive. The way he argued his points was like someone who was a learned scientist in the area and who had been studying this area for many years. I was totally shocked by his confidence and depth of knowledge. He won my vote overwhelmingly today! This was a defence witness and Byrne was not coping with the jargon or the gravity of the information. Even the judge was more clued in than the defence barristers! A bit of a wakeup call for GBC I think!
     
  4. Consider

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    I gather WS are being a bit naughty and tongue in cheek and playing on a rumour (fact?) about sexual shenanigans in Brookfield : rumours aren't allowed : having a laugh is.

    jmo

    That's my take. Can I reference the 70s movie "Dads' Party" for research?

    Let's see
     
  5. PrimeSuspect

    PrimeSuspect Under the Milky Way

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    most definitely. :yes:
     
  6. itsthevibe

    itsthevibe Verified insider - Allison Baden-Clay case

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    Remember there have been legal arguments which haven't been published, (not about pleas as such but all sorts of things about how things are going to proceed, the possibilities, the jury, the process etc) I have been in the court for the legal arguments today, and last Wednesday which went for a couple of hours. Can't say much more than that.

    I'm not sure how it works, but is there a Verified Expert - Alioop? lurking somewhere?

    I don't know if it has to involve changing a plea, or whether the jury can find him not guilty of murder, but guilty of unlawful killing, or manslaughter? I'm sure there is a process, don't know if it is the same in every state, it definitely is different in different countries. I also don't know the difference between 'unlawful killing' as opposed to 'manslaughter'. Is there a difference between the two, and what is the difference compared to murder?

    Even though the charges are for Murder, does that give the jury the right to say they believe he is guilty of manslaughter or unlawful killing instead? Surely there has to be some provision for that.

    However, there is one thing I do know, the sentence for something like this wouldnt be that much lesser for unlawful killing than it would be for murder, especially because of the interfering with a corpse.

    Alioop? are you there?

    Personally, I believe there will be further legal argument about these things and a lot more, before Monday, and I believe that somehow, after due legal process, he will be found guilty of (at least) unlawful killing and interfering with a corpse.

    Perhaps someone can do some research but I would also suggest that attendance at Fridays legal arguments could reveal more. I don't know if it will, but I just feel that if there is any possibility then this is the only chance to work out this aspect of things, and part of the way things have gone during these legal arguments is a surprising degree of openness and transparency about what is going to happen, and gaining agreement between Judge, Prosecutor and Defence.
     
  7. Liadan

    Liadan Well-Known Member

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    Yup a slight admission that didn't get missed by the prosecution! GBC had admitted to being deceitful so now he can bring more deceit to the table in the form of more infidelities.... how does that matter?
     
  8. Trooper

    Trooper Well-Known Member

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    I so want to hear about the voices, and the posture, laidan.. * :please::please::please::please::please::please::please:
     
  9. steadan

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    its ok thanks, i worked it out
     
  10. Greg

    Greg New Member

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    That's exactly right, in all this time not once did he plead for the police to find the real killer, no impassioned cries from behind bars declaring his innocence and that the real killer is still out there, just waltzing around with his wingmen NBC and OW taking care of business.

    So there are no alternate theories for murder being presented it's either as the prosecution state that GBC bumped her or as the defence and NBC, EBC and OW would claim she was depressed and while going for her morning walk decided to wander off to end it all with a nice new hairstyle.
     
  11. they'll get you

    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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    bbm you got that right
     
  12. Consider

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    kiwi50 I've often wondered why TM a woman who sleeps with another man's husband and has some hide therefore and is hardly a wall-flower/shrinking violet type could be intimidated by Allison who no doubt TM and GBC routinely scoffed and derided and laughed about during their trysts.

    It doesn't make sense to me her level of anxiety/anger.

    How did being at conference with Allison there threaten her?
    Attendees would band with Allison?
    TM would be pointed, booed, hissed and spat upon : hardly.

    jmo
     
  13. marlywings

    marlywings Former Member

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    In this case GBC is placed right there at the crime scene & he was the last person to see Allison alive.
     
  14. Tangled_Web

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    Some thoughts from court this morning ...

    Quotes of the day:
    Todd Fuller: "You killed your wife, Mr Baden-Clay." There it was. Put to GBC at last.
    Todd Fuller: “If TMcH confronted Allison at the conference the façade that was GBC would fall.”
    GBC: “Some of the things I said and did were pretty naïve and pretty stupid.”

    Some general observations:
    It was a very different GBC under cross-examination. He slipped-up, or came close to slipping-up, on a number of occasions. The questioning was intense.

    Todd Fuller is brilliant. His strategy of mixing it up has kept GBC well and truly on his toes. Danny Boyle presents in a different way. His questioning of Dr Schramm was very effective – he highlighted the general nature of his “assessment” , that it was not based on firsthand knowledge of Allison and her situation, and went on to present a list of factors specific to Allison, all of which (I believe) Dr Schramm agreed would likely reduce the risk of suicide.

    I believe the prosecution team is doing an awesome job. They know their stuff.

    I don’t believe for a moment the defence team wanted GBC to take the stand. They are doing what they can to defend their client. I sensed an air of resignation today as they were finishing up but that may have been my imagination.

    All IMHOO. :twocents:
     
  15. BJsleuth

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    Thanks JCB. That is intereresting. We'll wait and see what happens.
     
  16. TootsieFootsie

    TootsieFootsie Well-Known Member

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    But wait, there's more.....:noooo:



     
  17. Tangled_Web

    Tangled_Web Active Member

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    Totally agree.
     
  18. JK673

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    During the trial or outsid like the reporter?
     
  19. JCB

    JCB Active Member

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    But is there a crime scene? And if so where is it? These are questions that will be put to the jury during closing arguments. I want to see justice for Allison and her family as much as anyone (justice in whatever way that may be) but unfortunately I cannot be as confident as you.
     
  20. JCB

    JCB Active Member

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    During.
     
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