The Sidebar - Harris Trial #3 *VERDICT - GUILTY*

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a guy in Dallas quit smoking, he was taking Chantix. So his firends take him to get drunk to celebrate. When he got home he went up to what he thought was the door to his house, it really was his next door neighbors house. At 3 am he starts banging and screaming like drunks do and the neighbor called 911, they said "we are getting broke into the guy wont go away,he is scaring us, im gonna have to shoot"" so he shot at about 6 feet and it hit the guy right in his forehead. he was over 6 feet tall. Chantix didnt report the side effect if you drink while on the drug. His fiance filed suit, I have no idea what the outcome was. The neighbor felt so bad and he was not charged as this is Texas, Castle Doctrine. sad case the 911 and shooting was all recorded, I heard the shot, the screaming so they have good proof.

That is so sad. Thank you for sharing that story, because I didn't know it before now.

My story about it involves a child's murder, so I won't post that here. That stuff is bad, bad, bad. Talk about needing a PSA.
 
thank you for the thank you LOL yes it was me cause when I heard he was taking this drug a light went off in my head. I just wonder if this guy liked the well known side effect of taking testosterone. He was enjoying the effects.

Yes, 16 again with money and a phone.
 
Thank you jurors, for your commitment to bringing justice for Cooper.

Rest in Peace dear Cooper.
:rose::rose:
 
No victim is responsible for the crimes committed against them. I don't think that's very complicated.

But it's also true that young people are living a different social life reality than their parents did at the same age. I've been dismayed by that fact since my son was in 4th grade and was exposed to *advertiser censored* (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) by another student who accessed it on a school computer when the kids were left unmonitored by their teacher for a few minutes.

The fact of the matter is that there is no way for parents to prevent their kids from making bad decisions about what they do online, and no way to prevent other kids from exposing our own to content we would never permit.

I consider it my responsibility as a parent to educate my son about consequences, and to give him all the tools he needs to make constructive decisions for himself.

If I caught someone online trying to exploit my son, there would be no words to express my fury , and I would hold that person solely responsible. I would also take a way my son's electronic privileges for a very long time time if what drew anyone to him was his posting that he was interested in sexual conversations. I guess I see that as common sense, not a matter of assigning blame.

BBM I am 55, when I was in third grade a classmate came to school with x rated playing cards. I didn't understand what I was seeing so I went home and asked about it. You can bet my Mom hightailed it down there the next day to put a stop to that! The other kids blamed me for "telling," which I thought was unfair since I was just asking a question about the content!
Sort of off topic here but was just thinking how kids have been exposing other kids to stuff their p[parents didn't want them exposed to probably since time began. Heck maybe there were caves with nudie pics that good cave moms told their children not to venture into! (not saying Mom's should stop protecting our kids, just thinking how the more things change the more some things are the same.)
 
That is so sad. Thank you for sharing that story, because I didn't know it before now.

My story about it involves a child's murder, so I won't post that here. That stuff is bad, bad, bad. Talk about needing a PSA.

I took it for 1 month I coundt tell it did anything and I didnt quit smoking either LOL I wished it had worked cause my lungs are shot
 
I took it for 1 month I coundt tell it did anything and I didnt quit smoking either LOL I wished it has worked cause my lungs are shot

I couldn't quit either so I started vaping. I'm almost 3 years without smoking..
PS - I PM'd you the WS thread on the case I spoke of.
 
Definitely still good. Even better, it'll be more smooth. There are collectors of (empty) bottles out there. Not that you'd make many $, but you might make someone very happy. Some put up ads for a specific year, their goal buying as far back in time as possible then on the look out for a bottle for every year after. Cheers!

What a pity the wine's corked! Don't even attempt to drink it, though you could make enquiries of the estate as they may have an interest due to being #1 in a limited edition batch.

Thank you for the info!
 
LH refers to Cooper six times in that paragraph, yet never by his actual name ...

... "my son" ... "our child" ... "my son" ... "my son" ... "his pain" ... "his death" ....
 
BBM I am 55, when I was in third grade a classmate came to school with x rated playing cards. I didn't understand what I was seeing so I went home and asked about it. You can bet my Mom hightailed it down there the next day to put a stop to that! The other kids blamed me for "telling," which I thought was unfair since I was just asking a question about the content!
Sort of off topic here but was just thinking how kids have been exposing other kids to stuff their p[parents didn't want them exposed to probably since time began. Heck maybe there were caves with nudie pics that good cave moms told their children not to venture into! (not saying Mom's should stop protecting our kids, just thinking how the more things change the more some things are the same.)

LOL - I had forgotten about those cards. I am 10 years younger than you, but my dad had those cards, too. He also had a huge collection of Playboys. Yes, some things never change.
 
To think about Cooper seeing the door shut, locked into a car seat. Then sitting there just waiting for the person he should be able to trust above all others to protect him-his father-to come back for him. Only to be left to die alone, miserable and scared.
RH is a pathetic convicted murder. He had a life many would envy and he pissed all over it

I am so sorry for how Cooper had to live his last hours.
 
Methinks the lady could be an advocate to prevent hot car deaths.

How? She couldn't even convince her own husband not to "forget" her baby in the car. She said in her statement for other parents to be wise and accept it can happen to them so they wouldn't walk the path she is on. But RH and LH both accepted this and were afraid of it, yet they did nothing to prevent it.
 
I'm still catching up but I think LH's statement about the verdict is simply appalling. She is angry that RH was convicted, probably out of fear for herself. She never even mentions Cooper's name, says she loved him, or misses him. It isn't about Cooper, it is all about her.
 
I'm still catching up but I think LH's statement about the verdict is simply appalling. She is angry that RH was convicted, probably out of fear for herself. She never even mentions Cooper's name, says she loved him, or misses him. It isn't about Cooper, it is all about her.

who got a statement from her, can you send a link if you have one ?
 
who got a statement from her, can you send a link if you have one ?

oh wow nevermind I found it, google already had the link and WOWSERS how bizarre I just dont know what to think of that, one thing she could have said is an expert had the idea to put your shoe in the back with the kid, great idea as long as you can remember to do that
 
How? She couldn't even convince her own husband not to "forget" her baby in the car.

This is a world where Kate McCann is an ambassador for Missing People, despite leaving her young children alone night after night ...

Anything is possible ...
 
I cannot imagine anything harder then to convict a seemingly loving Father of the cruel malicious murder of his 2 year old son.
I Do agree with this jury, 100%.

Mr. Harris made it perfectly clear, that his son, hindered his chosen life of sex.

What a sick and devious man.

I feel for these jurors, looking into the face and mind of such a distorted human being must be heart renching.
They were definately brave to do so.

I really think that little Cooper guided them and kept them focased.
What a terrible case. What a terrible loss.
Thank you jurors. Kali
 
bit o/t

Peach Do you, or anyone else from Georgia, know if it's usual practice for one just convicted to be driven from court in a private car?


NO, but I saw that video too. It looked like plain clothed detectives, escorting Ross, still dressed in his suit, in an unmarked car, from the courthouse.

I just figured that the verdict and paperwork came too late for him to take the jail bus back with the rest of his housemates?
 
I'm not sure why Leanne is still considered a suspect by Stoddard. They never found any evidence of a conspiracy to kill Cooper. JMO

I don't think there's evidence. I'm just trying to think of a reason they wouldn't have said she won't be charged with a crime after the verdict. It seemed odd for them to leave that door open publicly, instead of closing it.

I truly think Stoddard and company when they first looked at the interrogation tapes and how the two parents reacted, felt this was a plan between them. Strongly. And you know it can be super hard for people who have formed a strong opinion to shake that, even when evidence doesn't pan out the way they though.

I think Stoddard continues to have his suspicions about LH. Profound ones. For me, her behavior and statements were very bizarre and made me wonder initially whether she was involved. I never could reconcile, "Did you say too much." But as time went by, it seemed clear to me she likely had no involvement. I think her identity was wrapped around being Ross's wife and that deep insecurity made him the most important thing in her life, and pathologically intent on proving her love, devotion and loyalty. To this day.

Poor Cooper. Mark Hacking, Scott Peterson, Ross Harris - all, IMO, men who would rather murder than divorce in order to avoid the shame of not being the golden boy or perfect Christian man.

Methinks the lady could be an advocate to prevent hot car deaths.

Nah. Her husband was found guilty of intentionally causing that hot car death. She won;t be advocating anything. No one would want her spearheading their efforts. She is no Kristie Reeves. http://www.rayrayspledge.com/

I don't think defense attorneys care about their client's guilt or innocence . It's a comforting myth that a defense attorney only defends clients he or she believes to be innocent. Many believe in the system that all accused deserve a spirited and effective defense, but that doesn't mean they believe their client to be innocent.

I don;t know. Lots of attorneys totally believe their clients. I think it often naturally occurs when you advocate for a person. Some we know are not innocent or are not good people but it's easy to be seduced into believing them.

In this case, although there has likely been some hyperbole, I think the defense team is truly convinced Ross is innocent. That was sincere.

While we all would like to hear from the jurors perspective. JMHO the best thing for them is to not speak to media. They will be torn to bits by both sides. What they say will be dissected, how they said it, what they did or didn't say...Just Pray for them. They did their job and don't owe anyone anything. I only say this because of watching it happen to other jurors from high profile cases. Brings too much attention to their families. 5 min of fame not worth it.. It is a civic duty. Unless something comes up that shouldn't have happened, we should let them go back to their families and lives. JMHO

Agreed, friend.

I agree. Remember CA who got away with murder in Florida and at least one of her trial attorneys went on to insert himself in every single aspect of her life, legal and otherwise. And he knew she was guilty before and after the verdict--had even commented to her guilt before he became part of her defense team.

I think he did believe she was guilty but I also think the whole team felt she was crazy as hell and made so by her twisted parents. They felt for her.

BBM
According to one twitter, jurors were paying special attention to this portion when they were rewatching the interrogation video.

RH: "I knew that I had done what every parent in their life fears they have done and that's just leave their son in a car all day."

-'Just leave their son in a car all day'....
That's what RH intended to do and followed through. The word 'just' makes this statement so incriminating.
-Not half-day, not many hours. But he said 'all day'.
-Not forget. But 'leave their son'.

The whole statement sounds weird.

Before re-watching that video at the end, I understood reasonable doubts. It did it for me. It really did.

I'm well aware of the protections afforded by the 5th amendment. Leanna was under suspicion, at least at one point. She would have absolutely had the right to refuse to testify about Cooper's death and everything leading up to it if she had chosen to assert that right.

You;re right. She took a big risk and knew her rights.

Holy crapola, they are good. I didn't even catch that. You can see his justification in that statement. In his mind he really didn't do anything but create the conditions possible for his son to die. No actual "maliciousness" in his mind.

Yeah, an afterthought really. Ï just sort of left him there all day." Ugh.


I really think s/he knew these statistics, we've all seen them throughout this case. "Rare" is a relative term, so while if you compare these results to the number of children killed in car accidents it IS rare, but if you compare it to the number of kids killed on water slides (that is still on my mind), hot care deaths are not rare at all. **CDC reports that over 9,000 were killed in car accidents between 2002 and 2011.

Certainly, it is not a leading cause of deaths among small children. Car accidents, diseases, drownings, poisonings, etc. all exceed hot car deaths by dramatic proportions.

WTH Texas?

It's my belief that the sexting with minors prejudiced the jury. I doubt that they would admit or acknowledge that in public. JMO

I can tell you, I believe Ross Harris is and was guilty and the sexting has nothing to do with it.

I thought the sexting might bias the jury as well. He is a predator, but I realized he can be a predator and not at all capable of killing his child. However, I thought that his behavior with women might influence the jury. And it might have. But I now think they would've found malice without it.

At the end of the whole case, when watching what they did as they deliberated, everything I felt became crystal clear. For me. It was too much.

And frankly, I don;t care that he cheated or sexted. The only bit of that that sickened me was what he did with minor girls. Otherwise, people are humans, sometimes they do things like that because they are pathetic or lonely or horny, or angry, withholding or cruel spouse or whatever. I consider all of it except the stuff with minors to be possible human mistakes that could have occurred for a host of reaons on the part of otherwise normal people.

To think about Cooper seeing the door shut, locked into a car seat. Then sitting there just waiting for the person he should be able to trust above all others to protect him-his father-to come back for him. Only to be left to die alone, miserable and scared.
RH is a pathetic convicted murder. He had a life many would envy and he pissed all over it

The agony and slow horror of his death haunts me. Especially as I am convinced it was intentional.
 
I wasn't surprised with the guilty on all counts verdict. I called it last week. Not many here thought that would be the outcome. Many were surprised when the verdicts were announced today.

You did. But the fact that people are surprised by the verdict doesn't mean the jurors voted the way they did because they were biased by the sexting. Which, as I was informed on here, was critical to the felony murder charge.

While some may feel bias is the only or main reason they convicted, there are many who could not get passed the totality of the evidence. It was a flood, IMO.

bit o/t

Peach Do you, or anyone else from Georgia, know if it's usual practice for one just convicted to be driven from court in a private car?

I wondered that to! It was so strange.
 
NO, but I saw that video too. It looked like plain clothed detectives, escorting Ross, still dressed in his suit, in an unmarked car, from the courthouse.

I just figured that the verdict and paperwork came too late for him to take the jail bus back with the rest of his housemates?

Ah right, that makes sense. I was curious as the guy who sat in the second row every day, drove the car.
 
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