The Sidebar - Harris Trial #3 *VERDICT - GUILTY*

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rob said:
I guess if they ever got some evidence against her, like she confessed to someone and they ratted her out or if RH turned on her, other than that, at this point, how would they prove anything?
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He won't rat her out. He made a fool of her in front of the entire world...he didn't even glance at her on the stand...he is ambivalent to her anymore....
 
jdj125 said:
Ugh post verdict hang over....what to do...think about ...which trial/case to jump into.....blah...I hate the day after..it's like a break up from a bad relationship
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I think the next one for me will be Dippolito. I have ONLY seen the police sting, and have no other knowledge about this case. I like coming into a trial fresh.


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Wonderful job by the jury in finding Ross Harris GUILTY on all counts.

Interesting how Kilgore says he believed Ross was NOT GUILTY of what he was accused of rather than saying he believed him to be INNOCENT.

FGS, his own attorney knew what he did. moo

Ross wanted to be free of his child and wife...well....be careful what you wish for.


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FWIW - I believe Kilgore could have done a much better job, but who is to say he didn't have gobs of testing done and he couldn't find a result that would be helpful in court.

Or even more, what if he had results that showed Borderline Personality Disorder or something else that would have looked unfavorable to the defense?

I just don't think Kilgore brought it home, I would have had a slew of tests - spoke about testosterone, spoke about stress with specialists, heck,even an -almost doctor- who was a keynote speaker on how "Snow White was a forgetful parent".




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cbeagle said:
This is a world where Kate McCann is an ambassador for Missing People, despite leaving her young children alone night after night ...

Anything is possible ...
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Touché.
 
I absolutely agree the defense had a psychological evaluation done.
They also had the premiere expert on FBS ready to testify and did not call him
 
Today I watched the video Fox News had of a camera trained just on RH while the verdict was read. I kept the volume off and watched only his expressions. I don't know how anyone can watch that and not see that he readily accepts the verdict because he really was guilty. There is not a morsel of nooooooooo you got it wrong in his eyes, mouth or body language. Instead it's like he was thinking...fair enough...you got me.
 
jdj125 said:
Today I watched the video Fox News had of a camera trained just on RH while the verdict was read. I kept the volume off and watched only his expressions. I don't know how anyone can watch that and not see that he readily accepts the verdict because he really was guilty. There is not a morsel of nooooooooo you got it wrong in his eyes, mouth or body language. Instead it's like he was thinking...fair enough...you got me.
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I watched the same video, and saw a bit of anger as if the jury saw right through him. The jurors I believe got this decision right and all of them sounded very firm with their yes confirmations as the judge polled them.
 
EquallyDivided said:
FWIW - I believe Kilgore could have done a much better job, but who is to say he didn't have gobs of testing done and he couldn't find a result that would be helpful in court.

Or even more, what if he had results that showed Borderline Personality Disorder or something else that would have looked unfavorable to the defense?

I just don't think Kilgore brought it home, I would have had a slew of tests - spoke about testosterone, spoke about stress with specialists, heck,even an -almost doctor- who was a keynote speaker on how "Snow White was a forgetful parent".




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Kilgore's poor showing on his turn baffled me. Truly. I was absolutely shocked by the short time he had Stoddard on the stand. I felt like he missed a huge opportunity there. He got some hits in, but he let him off very easy. I think the totality of the evidence was a problem, but the defense could have made Stoddard a massive problem for the prosecution. They didn't. And then you have the two "expert witnesses." Brewer is actually what put me over into the malice camp. I was pretty firmly in the negligence camp before him. He contradicted himself and could NOT make his information relevant to Ross. Then you have no forensic psychiatrist, no Dr. Diamond...but you have a computer specialist. Who established what had already been established and I can't figure out what all that money he got paid was for. He was a complete non factor.

And the character witnesses. OY. They were sincere, but also ALL had to admit they didn't know these huge, dark parts of Ross. If I"m on the jury...I'm thinking...you didn't know what he was capable of, at all. I believe they all love him, but they did not do anything to show they truly knew him. Leanna lied several times on stand.

I don't know. I just thought their defense would be blazing and damaging for the prosecution. I actually their case helped the state. They are one talented team. I'm not sure Ross could have found a better team for this trial. Something went hugely wrong, I think. They should have done better, they are absolutely capable of it and more.
 
blue22 said:
Kilgore's poor showing on his turn baffled me. Truly. I was absolutely shocked by the short time he had Stoddard on the stand. I felt like he missed a huge opportunity there. He got some hits in, but he let him off very easy. I think the totality of the evidence was a problem, but the defense could have made Stoddard a massive problem for the prosecution. They didn't. And then you have the two "expert witnesses." Brewer is actually what put me over into the malice camp. I was pretty firmly in the negligence camp before him. He contradicted himself and could NOT make his information relevant to Ross. Then you have no forensic psychiatrist, no Dr. Diamond...but you have a computer specialist. Who established what had already been established and I can't figure out what all that money he got paid was for. He was a complete non factor.

And the character witnesses. OY. They were sincere, but also ALL had to admit they didn't know these huge, dark parts of Ross. If I"m on the jury...I'm thinking...you didn't know what he was capable of, at all. I believe they all love him, but they did not do anything to show they truly knew him. Leanna lied several times on stand.

I don't know. I just thought their defense would be blazing and damaging for the prosecution. I actually their case helped the state. They are one talented team. I'm not sure Ross could have found a better team for this trial. Something went hugely wrong, I think. They should have done better, they are absolutely capable of it and more.
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I agree with all of the above.

I understood the defense a bit better when I learned that Kilgore was primarily an expert in the APPEALS Process. I think that is where they are placing their best hopes. Maybe that is why Ross seemed to just accept the verdict so calmly?
 
blue22 said:
Kilgore's poor showing on his turn baffled me. Truly. I was absolutely shocked by the short time he had Stoddard on the stand. I felt like he missed a huge opportunity there. He got some hits in, but he let him off very easy. I think the totality of the evidence was a problem, but the defense could have made Stoddard a massive problem for the prosecution. They didn't. And then you have the two "expert witnesses." Brewer is actually what put me over into the malice camp. I was pretty firmly in the negligence camp before him. He contradicted himself and could NOT make his information relevant to Ross. Then you have no forensic psychiatrist, no Dr. Diamond...but you have a computer specialist. Who established what had already been established and I can't figure out what all that money he got paid was for. He was a complete non factor.

And the character witnesses. OY. They were sincere, but also ALL had to admit they didn't know these huge, dark parts of Ross. If I"m on the jury...I'm thinking...you didn't know what he was capable of, at all. I believe they all love him, but they did not do anything to show they truly knew him. Leanna lied several times on stand.

I don't know. I just thought their defense would be blazing and damaging for the prosecution. I actually their case helped the state. They are one talented team. I'm not sure Ross could have found a better team for this trial. Something went hugely wrong, I think. They should have done better, they are absolutely capable of it and more.
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I also thought they were capable of more. In the beginning of the case, I was thinking-Oh no, they are going to out do the other side. But as it went along, I definitely didn't feel that way.
This is my opinion only, but, "what if", somewhere during the trial RH made some dumb azz remark to them, that just let them know- OMG he did this! I know an attorneys job is to get you off, but if I thought you basicly admitted to killing your child in this horrible way, it would be hard to give it my all. I don't know, I'm also guessing that defense attorneys are used to seeing and hearing it all. AND LH did say that her man had a big mouth and would talk too much and get himself in trouble, so maybe he just did it again.
MOO only
 
katydid23 said:
I agree with all of the above.

I understood the defense a bit better when I learned that Kilgore was primarily an expert in the APPEALS Process. I think that is where they are placing their best hopes. Maybe that is why Ross seemed to just accept the verdict so calmly?
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I applaud the jury for getting through this. I would be crying all day long if I had to listen to what he was responsible for. I think for me what haunts me the most is that there's a chance he could have saved his son at the lunch time stop back at the car. Who knowingly walks away from their suffering child (in a life or death situation)? If he did have knowledge of him in the car seat. Only a sociopath could do that.
 
jdj125 said:
Today I watched the video Fox News had of a camera trained just on RH while the verdict was read. I kept the volume off and watched only his expressions. I don't know how anyone can watch that and not see that he readily accepts the verdict because he really was guilty. There is not a morsel of nooooooooo you got it wrong in his eyes, mouth or body language. Instead it's like he was thinking...fair enough...you got me.
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Yep, start to finish Ross Harris was found guilty for failing to show the emotional response expected of him. Perfect coda to this trial.
 
Hope4More said:
Yep, start to finish Ross Harris was found guilty for failing to show the emotional response expected of him. Perfect coda to this trial.
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Correction: He was found guilty of intentionally leaving his child in a car by a 12 vote count landslide of his peers.

It's not a crime to be weird. It is a crime to intentionally kill your child.
 
EquallyDivided said:
FWIW - I believe Kilgore could have done a much better job, but who is to say he didn't have gobs of testing done and he couldn't find a result that would be helpful in court.

Or even more, what if he had results that showed Borderline Personality Disorder or something else that would have looked unfavorable to the defense?

I just don't think Kilgore brought it home, I would have had a slew of tests - spoke about testosterone, spoke about stress with specialists, heck,even an -almost doctor- who was a keynote speaker on how "Snow White was a forgetful parent".




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Kilgore is a brilliant trial attorney, one of the best I've seen in decades of trial watching. He was handicapped by an extraordinarily unsympathetic client, and prevented from putting on a full defense by Staley's blatantly pro-prosecution rulings from pre-trial on.

The State made a wise choice in not seeking the DP. I sincerely doubt a jury in a DP trial would have found him guilty of malice murder, and if the same barriers had restricted the DT in a DP case, the verdict would never have survived the strict scrutiny of a DP appellate process.
 
Hope4More said:
Kilgore is a brilliant trial attorney, one of the best I've seen in decades of trial watching. He was handicapped by an extraordinarily unsympathetic client, and prevented from putting on a full defense by Staley's blatantly pro-prosecution rulings from pre-trial on.

The State made a wise choice in not seeking the DP. I sincerely doubt a jury in a DP trial would have found him guilty of malice murder, and if the same barriers had restricted the DT in a DP case, the verdict would never have survived the strict scrutiny of a DP appellate process.
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You saw brilliant, I saw sub par. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. He should have shocked and awed, instead he fed the state ammunition.
 
jdj125 said:
You saw brilliant, I saw sub par. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. He should have shocked and awed, instead he fed the state ammunition.
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And I saw a guy yesterday during the reading of the verdict, who did nothing to reassure his client or to even LOOK at the jury as they were being questioned. Heck, RH even kept his head up.

Kilgore was hunched over, playing with his hands under the table. Sit up, pay attention, instill confidence to your client and give the jury some respect.

He looked like a sulking child.

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