Theories #1: What Happened to Jennifer Kesse?

[Indianagirl]

Is anybody here familiar with the Jodi Huisentruit case? I'm even more familiar with it than I am with Jennifer's case. But I'd like to draw a couple of comparisons between the two cases and why I believe Jennifer wasn't abducted as she went to her car that morning.

Jodi was FOR SURE abducted as she walked from her apartment to her car the morning she disappeared. There is absolutely no dispute about that. Her abductor still hasn't been caught by the way and it's been almost 20 years.

In Jodi's case, everything she was carrying that morning was strewn out in the parking lot right where she was attacked. In Jennifer's case, not one thing of hers was found in the parking lot.

In Jodi's case, the abductor didn't take her car--he/she/they left it there. In Jennifer's case, he/she/they took her car.

In Jodi's case, she left her place at 4am in the dark in a sleepy little city in IA where I don't think any business stays open 24 hours and still at least one person heard her scream, although no one did anything about it. In Jennifer's case, in the middle of a huge city, she probably left her place at like 7am under the sunlight and no one heard a thing.

In Jodi's case, the number 1 suspect since day one has been a guy who was a friend of hers who named his boat after her, although not one piece of evidence has ever implicated him in the crime. But he did move to AZ not long after. In Jennifer's case, the #1 suspect(s)--the apartment workers--are people who all these years later have no names, no faces, have never been implicated in any crime in Orlando or anywhere else that we know of. But somehow they all woke up one day and said: We need to make Jennifer Kesse disappear. Meanwhile, a guy--not going there with this post (please don't bump me Administrator)--who knew Jennifer well was in close proximity to her around the last time anyone talked to Jennifer.

Now, if someone can tell me, for a fact, that the day after Jennifer disappeared all those apartment workers didn't show up to work and were never heard from again. Then, I guess you got me. That would be a sign they had something to do with it, I suppose. But except for some rumors I've read to that fact, I'm not inclined to believe it.

You can all look it up: Women being abducted on the way to work is rare--it's what makes the Huisentruit case so compelling all these years later, on top of the fact she was a local TV personality. The timing is too tough. There are too many variables. Women are most often attacked in their homes, not outside them. Why? Because it's usually somebody they know doing the attacking.

mysterymaven, I'm familiar with that Target case--a totally random crime about 10 years ago, right? I've seen the security video. What you left out is the guy abducted that girl and threw her in his truck--they didn't get in her car. Why? Because it's too tough fumbling for keys, moving the seat back, etc., especially if you're in a hurry. Which, in Jennifer's case, I'm sure the workers would've been in if Jennifer was abducted as she walked from her apartment to her car.

I love this debate.

Her name was Kelsey Smith, and actually it was in her car. As she was at her driver's side door, her abductor came up from behind and pushed/forced her into her car and then he got in the car himself. The whole incident took seconds and nothing was left strewn about....so, IMO I think it's possible that a similar scenario could have happened to Jennifer.

 

[MysteryMaven]

I agree. In fact, pretty much the only way it could have worked is like you say, or if the abductor had a van or other vehicle parked next to her car, blocking the view from witnesses.

This makes me think of the Greta Van Susteren show that aired recently. When Jennifer's family got to her condo , her brother went up to a white van of workers parked next to Jennifer's spot. He ran up frantically, knocking on the window and tried to talk to them. Whoever was inside would not talk to him.

 

[MysteryMaven]

Is anybody here familiar with the Jodi Huisentruit case? I'm even more familiar with it than I am with Jennifer's case. But I'd like to draw a couple of comparisons between the two cases and why I believe Jennifer wasn't abducted as she went to her car that morning.

Jodi was FOR SURE abducted as she walked from her apartment to her car the morning she disappeared. There is absolutely no dispute about that. Her abductor still hasn't been caught by the way and it's been almost 20 years.

In Jodi's case, everything she was carrying that morning was strewn out in the parking lot right where she was attacked. In Jennifer's case, not one thing of hers was found in the parking lot.

In Jodi's case, the abductor didn't take her car--he/she/they left it there. In Jennifer's case, he/she/they took her car.

In Jodi's case, she left her place at 4am in the dark in a sleepy little city in IA where I don't think any business stays open 24 hours and still at least one person heard her scream, although no one did anything about it. In Jennifer's case, in the middle of a huge city, she probably left her place at like 7am under the sunlight and no one heard a thing.

In Jodi's case, the number 1 suspect since day one has been a guy who was a friend of hers who named his boat after her, although not one piece of evidence has ever implicated him in the crime. But he did move to AZ not long after. In Jennifer's case, the #1 suspect(s)--the apartment workers--are people who all these years later have no names, no faces, have never been implicated in any crime in Orlando or anywhere else that we know of. But somehow they all woke up one day and said: We need to make Jennifer Kesse disappear. Meanwhile, a guy--not going there with this post (please don't bump me Administrator)--who knew Jennifer well was in close proximity to her around the last time anyone talked to Jennifer.

Now, if someone can tell me, for a fact, that the day after Jennifer disappeared all those apartment workers didn't show up to work and were never heard from again. Then, I guess you got me. That would be a sign they had something to do with it, I suppose. But except for some rumors I've read to that fact, I'm not inclined to believe it.

You can all look it up: Women being abducted on the way to work is rare--it's what makes the Huisentruit case so compelling all these years later, on top of the fact she was a local TV personality. The timing is too tough. There are too many variables. Women are most often attacked in their homes, not outside them. Why? Because it's usually somebody they know doing the attacking.

mysterymaven, I'm familiar with that Target case--a totally random crime about 10 years ago, right? I've seen the security video. What you left out is the guy abducted that girl and threw her in his truck--they didn't get in her car. Why? Because it's too tough fumbling for keys, moving the seat back, etc., especially if you're in a hurry. Which, in Jennifer's case, I'm sure the workers would've been in if Jennifer was abducted as she walked from her apartment to her car.

I love this debate.

Very good points. I know the girl abducted from Target was forced into anther car. Just trying to illustrate that things like that can happen in broad daylight.

 

[sarah7855]

This makes me think of the Greta Van Susteren show that aired recently. When Jennifer's family got to her condo , her brother went up to a white van of workers parked next to Jennifer's spot. He ran up frantically, knocking on the window and tried to talk to them. Whoever was inside would not talk to him.

Very good points. I know the girl abducted from Target was forced into anther car. Just trying to illustrate that things like that can happen in broad daylight.

Really?! I didn't know that. I wasn't able to get the Greta show links to work, and haven't actually seen it myself. I have been going off of reports of the show. I'm going to have to try again on those links, because the fact that her brother did that to a van parked next to Jenn's spot and was ignored is a red flag, IMO. Wow.

Also wanted to point out to everyone that IndianaGirl is correct. Kelsey Smith was forced into her own car. There may be confusion because the perp's pickup truck was parked very close to her vehicle, but he pretty much rushed her as she approached her car and forced her inside.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/19065065/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/man-charged-abducting-killing-teenager/#.U9jyKmd0yic

 

[Shin Masamura]

The only thing that makes the Construction worker kidnapping in the morning scenerio work is that he would know when the crew would arrive or be outside of the vacant condo they stayed in AND he knew Jennifer's routine. However, I find it odd he did it the first day back after her vacation and after she didnt follw her routine the day prior when she drove from Rob's house straight to work. You would think if he stalked her, another construction guy would have lent an ear to all of this. For him not to come forward after all this time is bizarre. I mean he would have a family too.

However, the co worker guy that did have a crush on Jen would be privy to the same knowledge above too.. what was sleuthed on him because of what I read its hard to tell whats fact or fiction.. The case of Whitney Heichel draws the clearest comparisons to our case here IMO

 

[Harmony 2]

If the POI in the Huntington in the Green video was known to Jennifer wouldn’t someone have been able to recognize him? Wouldn’t they recognize the posture, haircut, clothes, shoes, height? Even with the bars blocking the front of the face, it is obvious who he is not and some people can be eliminated.

Regarding the clothes of the POI, construction workers at Jenn’s condo were shown in the 48 Hour special. The clothes look similar to the POI's clothes but it is a generic outfit:

http://www.jenniferkesse.com/48hours.htm

There were similar crimes in the area, whereby abductions were committed in broad daylight, by Juan Hernandez Monzalvo and Ricardo Morales Marin. Both were convicted for those crimes. Monzalvo and Morales lived with 3 other men, who were illegal aliens, on Rose Blvd and later moved to Citadel Dr. Morales and another man, whose identity was never revealed, abducted a pregnant 19 year old at the Florida mall and raped her repeatedly in the car behind some buildings. Two other victims were abducted off the street, pulled into the back seat, held at knifepoint while being driven to an abandoned home on Rose blvd. where they were beaten and raped. Their lives were threatened but eventually they were both released. One of the victims was a prostitute who later decided not to press charges. The other victim was an 11 year old girl.

Detectives said an investigation has been ongoing for a year, and they don't how many other cases out there could possibly linked to Morales-Marin.

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/Rape-Suspect-May-Be-Linked-To-2008-Case/13171548#ixzz38x1ktcec


Here are some maps to give a perspective on the proximity of rose blvd and citadel ave. to Jenn’s condo and to Huntington on the Green.

https://goo.gl/maps/aZiaG

https://goo.gl/maps/gGV9N

This is a video of the sentencing and a side by side comparison:

http://youtu.be/3yiBRR9HT4U?t=59s

http://jenniferkesse.com/person/surv1.bmp

http://jenniferkesse.com/person/surv2.bmp

Note that Monzalvo is 5’6”


http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=69831

The arrest of HernM-andez-Monzalvo , a construction worker, surprised clerks and waitresses at Tortilleria #2 Mexicana, a restaurant and grocery store on West Oak Ridge Road, where he and Ortega dined and shopped most Thursdays.

Court records show he had been arrested at least twice for traffic offenses and carrying false identification. As a result of those arrests, he was deported to Mexico in June 2008, but returned illegally to the U.S., said Barbara Gonzalez, spokeswoman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2009-02-13/news/rape13_1_ortega-citadel-dna

Note that Monzalvo was a construction worker.

I don’t know if Monzalvo and Marin lived in Orlando in January 2006. The traffic violations were in Orange County on May 2006.

I know their dna is on file and more than likely compared but the dna in the car is miniscule and perhaps degraded or not enough alleles are present to compare. The dna in the rape cases more than likely came from the rape kits done on the victims. With touch dna some people are poor shedders of skin cells so that may account for the lack of foreign dna in the vehicle.

http://www.ryanforensicdna.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/Touch_DNA_article.59101908.pdf

At any rate, two men working in concert, with one using a weapon to subdue and then transporting to another site for assaulting, is the type scenario that is congruent with my theory on the case.




Sources for information:


http://www.wftv.com/news/news/rape-victim-12-describes-horrific-attack/nFB4X/



http://www.wftv.com/news/news/wife-turns-in-suspects-in-rape-of-11-year-old-girl/nJrC4/


http://www.wftv.com/news/news/parents-on-edge-after-rape-of-11-year-old/nJqTN/

 

[MysteryMaven]

Really?! I didn't know that. I wasn't able to get the Greta show links to work, and haven't actually seen it myself. I have been going off of reports of the show. I'm going to have to try again on those links, because the fact that her brother did that to a van parked next to Jenn's spot and was ignored is a red flag, IMO. Wow.

Also wanted to point out to everyone that IndianaGirl is correct. Kelsey Smith was forced into her own car. There may be confusion because the perp's pickup truck was parked very close to her vehicle, but he pretty much rushed her as she approached her car and forced her inside.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/19065065/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/man-charged-abducting-killing-teenager/#.U9jyKmd0yic

Someone on another thread of Jennifer's linked the GVS special in 3 parts. I will go back and try to give you the thread and post number! I don't know how to bring a post over to a new thread. I thought it was very informative.
That poor girl Kelsey Smith. I had thought she was forced into a man's car, not the other way around. Well, just goes to show what can happen in a parking lot in the daylight. Terrible.

 

[MysteryMaven]

If the POI in the Huntington in the Green video was known to Jennifer wouldn’t someone have been able to recognize him? Wouldn’t they recognize the posture, haircut, clothes, shoes, height? Even with the bars blocking the front of the face, it is obvious who he is not and some people can be eliminated.

Regarding the clothes of the POI, construction workers at Jenn’s condo were shown in the 48 Hour special. The clothes look similar to the POI's clothes but it is a generic outfit:

http://www.jenniferkesse.com/48hours.htm

There were similar crimes in the area, whereby abductions were committed in broad daylight, by Juan Hernandez Monzalvo and Ricardo Morales Marin. Both were convicted for those crimes. Monzalvo and Morales lived with 3 other men, who were illegal aliens, on Rose Blvd and later moved to Citadel Dr. Morales and another man, whose identify was never revealed, abducted a pregnant 19 year old at the Florida mall and raped her repeatedly in the car behind some buildings. Two other victims were abducted off the street, pulled into the back seat, held at knifepoint while being driven to an abandoned home on Rose blvd. where they were beaten and raped. Their lives were threatened but eventually they were both released. One of the victims was a prostitute who later decided not to press charges. The other victim was an 11 year old girl.



Read more: http://www.wesh.com/Rape-Suspect-May-Be-Linked-To-2008-Case/13171548#ixzz38x1ktcec


Here are some maps to give a perspective on the proximity of rose blvd and citadel ave. to Jenn’s condo and to Huntington on the Green.

https://goo.gl/maps/aZiaG

https://goo.gl/maps/gGV9N

This is a video of the sentencing and a side by side comparison:

http://youtu.be/3yiBRR9HT4U?t=59s

http://jenniferkesse.com/person/surv1.bmp

http://jenniferkesse.com/person/surv2.bmp

Note that Monzalvo is 5’6”


http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=69831



http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2009-02-13/news/rape13_1_ortega-citadel-dna

Note that Monzalvo was a construction worker.

I don’t know if Monzalvo and Marin lived in Orlando in January 2006. The traffic violations were in Orange County on May 2006.

I know their dna is on file and more than likely compared but the dna in the car is miniscule and perhaps degraded or not enough alleles are present to compare. The dna in the rape cases more than likely came from the rape kits done on the victims. With touch dna some people are poor shedders of skin cells so that may account for the lack of foreign dna in the vehicle.

http://www.ryanforensicdna.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/Touch_DNA_article.59101908.pdf

At any rate, two men working in concert, with one using a weapon to subdue and then transporting to another site for assaulting, is the type scenario that is congruent with my theory on the case.




Sources for information:


http://www.wftv.com/news/news/rape-victim-12-describes-horrific-attack/nFB4X/



http://www.wftv.com/news/news/wife-turns-in-suspects-in-rape-of-11-year-old-girl/nJrC4/


http://www.wftv.com/news/news/parents-on-edge-after-rape-of-11-year-old/nJqTN/

I always wondered if LE took a good, I mean REALLY good look at Monzalvo and Marin. It's hard to find out if LE has ruled certain people out.

 

[kathryann]

OK this is probably a dumb remark, but could she possibly be in a witness protection program? Would they tell her parents that? It just crossed my mind because this case is so baffling. Or maybe she did have a good reason to leave that day and not tell anyone. To me, the person could possibly be female walking by the fence, have they questioned any female friends of Jennifer? OK that's it.

 

[MysteryMaven]

OK this is probably a dumb remark, but could she possibly be in a witness protection program? Would they tell her parents that? It just crossed my mind because this case is so baffling. Or maybe she did have a good reason to leave that day and not tell anyone. To me, the person could possibly be female walking by the fence, have they questioned any female friends of Jennifer? OK that's it.

It's not a dumb question but it is not likely. She wouldn't be on a missing persons list, and LE and the FBI wouldn't waste time and money looking for her if they had put her in hiding. The majority of people in WPP are former criminals turned informants, people who appeared in court to testify against organized crime and now are in fear for their lives. Therefore the families of these people have some idea about what is going on. Jennifer doesn't fit this profile. She didn't testify against anyone in a high profile case prior to going missing. She was not a criminal turned informant. From doing some quick research it appears that the family of someone in WPP has some idea of what is going on.

 

[Harmony 2]

" Evidence at her residence, including a wet towel and clothes laid out, indicated that Jennifer was at home the morning of January 24 and had showered and dressed for work."

"On Friday, May 2, 2008, The Florida House of Representatives unanimously passed Senate Bill 502, "The Jennifer Kesse and Tiffany Sessions Missing Persons Act", changing the way missing persons cases are handled in Florida.[11] As of June 10, 2010, the FBI has taken over the case of Jennifer Kesse from the Orlando Police Department at the urging of police chief Val Demings. She remains on the FBI's Most Wanted/Missing List.[12] The latest search for her took place in February 2014 and investigators continue to receive leads to this day.[9]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Jennifer_Kesse

The FBI ended involvement in February 2011.

FBI done with Jennifer Kesse case
February 4, 2011|By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
Orlando police reported Friday that the FBI has ended its involvement in the Jennifer Kesse case.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...1_jennifer-kesse-orlando-police-orlando-condo

 

[STANDREID]

She is no longer on the FBI Missing List. The majority of the cases currently on there are the same year or years (one case is from the 1980s) before Jennifer so you have to wonder if they know (or at least suspect) something that they are not telling us.

 

[MysteryMaven]

Sorry but no way is Jennifer Kesse in witness protection. FBI would never have been involved TO BEGIN WITH with if they knew where she was. It makes no sense. Jennifer does not fit the profile of someone in WPP. So why would the FBI have someone park her car in a different apartment complex? To throw everyone off?
The FBI doesn't go to great lengths to fool everyone or waste time, money and resources conducting searches.
Most of the time a person has recently testified against organized crime and their family knows
what is going on. Or the person turned and became an informant, as in, they were a criminal who turned to help the FBI and now their life is in danger.
You pack up your stuff and you are re-located. They don't stage abductions when placing someone in WPP and let the family go through all of this.
There are a lot of more plausible theories
Monzalvo and Marin
James Hataway
Construction Worker
Scorned suitor

 

[Serena763]

I feel like he hit her from behind as she was getting into her car and drove off. It's proven to be a good way to abduct women quickly in busy area and get away before anything is noticed. I feel he is somewhat of a pro and has done this before...perhaps moved shortly after. I find it unlikely he would only kill once with this level of stealth and to keep kidnapping in the same city means he would get caught faster. I feel so bad for her family. I do not feel she will be recovered unless they catch the seriel killer.

 

[fasteddy8170]

Harmony2, sorry to be responding to your post from back in July so late but I haven't been on this thread in a while.

The problems I have with Monzalvo and Marin being the prime suspects in Jennifer's case are these. First, it's very unlike criminals to start with murder (if in fact Jennifer is not of this Earth anymore) and go "backwards" to crimes where the victims are allowed to live. Yes, they had some felonies before Jennifer disappeared but most of their work was done after Jennifer disappeared and all their victims are still alive.

Second, neither of the men have ever been attached to a murder anywhere.

Third, being that these two were eventually caught and convicted of other crimes, they don't exactly strike me as two guys who would remember to wipe down a car (Jennifer's) after using it. They seem more like two men who would leave evidence all over the place. And since they tried to roll over on each other regarding the cases for which they were convicted, it seems to me one would've tried to roll over on the other to make a deal with the DA for leniency in exchange for any information on Jennifer's disappearance. Hey, they're in jail for life anyway, maybe one of them could've gotten a parole hearing 25yrs down the road. They also seem like the type who would use Jennifer's credit cards afterwards . . . if they did it.

Fourth, there's no record either of them ever worked in Jennifer's complex.

Fifth, regarding Monzalvo's height of 5'6", for his ethnic background, this is not an unusual height. The average height of a Mexican male is 5'7". In fact, if Monzalvo's ancestors hail from somewhere like El Salvador, the average height of a man there is only 5'5". So, while it may be true the man (if it is a man) in the security video is of Latino descent, the height is about the average for a man with that ancestry--thus, it's not unique. Meaning, Monzalvo shares his height with thousands if not millions of Mexican men living in the USA.

Sixth, even if they did do it, say they attacked Jennifer as she went to her car, nobody else saw it? Were they the only two workers in the complex that morning? Sure, working together they could've made quick work of it, but somebody would've noticed at least one of them missing when Jennifer's car was getting parked. I know some segments of our population have an aversion to going to the police--in some cases their fears are well-warranted. But you'd think someone since 2006 would've said something.

My opinion is what it has always been: Her disappearance has something to do with a guy. I thought that even before the developments on Greta's show (I know: we're not allowed to talk about that here) and those developments bolstered my beliefs even more.

 

[snowleopard]

Hi, I've had a general familiarity with Jennifer's case, but have not read everything here. With that said I happened upon a video about her and someone was insisting that her ex boyfriend at the time (not her current bf at the time....) had something to do with her disappearance. I'm trying to figure out if this guy was just a troll, or if there really was a recent ex for JK at the time of her disappearance...anyone know???

 

[tricket]

I was just watching the greta video again, and something stands out to me as a red flag. Jennifers brother states he arrived at the condo before her parents, he banged on her door, no answer, he then saw some workers in a van, where he preceded to try to get their attention, but they did not respond. He kept banging on the van, showing her picture, but they didnt respond.

Why didnt they respond? Was she actually in the van at that time? Makes me wonder....

 

[thesiren]

Wow. I read about Kesse's disappearance years ago. It is heartbreaking to know her family is still lacking answers.

 

[CanManEh]

The more and more i really look and read into jenn's disappearance Iam starting to put some serious thought that what has happend may have been planned and planned by people she worked for..We allways speculate about well did he beat her and carry her out or did he have a gun or knife on her why didnt she call out well what would you do if it was someone higher up then you in your job position you may just walk out in shock or disbelief and wonder why are they there and this wasn't a job where she was working with hundreds of dollars .her position at her company had just beeen created specificaly for jen and she was dealing with somethings that were related to realistate and up to 5;000'000 dollars worth of transactions .Anyway its just kinda my new thoughts after reading alot more info into her case..

 

[Shin Masamura]

The more and more i really look and read into jenn's disappearance Iam starting to put some serious thought that what has happend may have been planned and planned by people she worked for..We allways speculate about well did he beat her and carry her out or did he have a gun or knife on her why didnt she call out well what would you do if it was someone higher up then you in your job position you may just walk out in shock or disbelief and wonder why are they there and this wasn't a job where she was working with hundreds of dollars .her position at her company had just beeen created specificaly for jen and she was dealing with somethings that were related to realistate and up to 5;000'000 dollars worth of transactions .Anyway its just kinda my new thoughts after reading alot more info into her case..

Agreed CanManeh, There has to be more than whats on the surface. Im jst surprised no one has spilt the beans yet, make me think there is only one person involved. Exboyfriend, Obsessed co-worker, im not sure where to point the finger... I just trust that LE did their due diligence with vetting these people back in the day. I am so surprised that a girlfriend of the accomplise or a family member didn't come forward or they weren't made aware of Jenninfer's abduction.