Theory Thread #2 Hailey Dunn

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  1. grandmaj

    grandmaj Former Member

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    grandmaj Former Member

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    This is the thread for your theory peeps. Try to keep your theory out of the other topic threads. Thanks
     
  4. curiousc

    curiousc New Member

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    Ok, the more and more I think of this, the more I think BD sacrificed Hailey to SA. I think she gave him the go ahead to do what he wanted with her. I know this sounds bizarre but she is so manipulating and controlling that I think she didn't herself get her hands dirty but was the one who concocted the alibi and knows where Hailey is and what happened. She also may think that since SA did it, she won't be found out.
     
  5. WillenFan21

    WillenFan21 Well-Known Member

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    Given the amounts of child porn that was found on SA and his comment to LE about her being promiscuous it is in my opinion that Hailey was raped and murdered. I think that Shawn KNEW Hailey would tell someone about it and therefore got rid of her so she didn't tell. I think that the promiscuous comment was his way of admitting he raped her more than one time. He said that in a way that people would take it as she was sexually active. He knew what he was doing there and I wonder if LE thought the same thing. As for Billie Dunn's involvement I don't think she had anything to do with what happened to her daughter. The only thing I think she has done is cover for Shawn's sorry disgusting ass. JMO
     
  6. For The Kids

    For The Kids New Member

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    Right now..im not sure whose ass looks the most disgusting to be honest.

    Given what we know..that Shawn at LEAST was into child porn..and in a big way with the amount of images there were i believe Billie had to know about this. I THINK Billie was into him big time..maybe he did love Billie but i think the big attraction for him was Hailey and i believe Billie knew this. We know that Hailey wanted to live with her dad and there was a argument at Chnstmas and that for whatever reason Hailey was killed. Although i have no doubts Shawn knows what happened and helped to hide Hailey..i 100% think it was Billie who did whatever happened :(
     
  7. cluciano63

    cluciano63 Well-Known Member

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    All I can say is I feel that Billie knows what happened to Hailey and has known all along. I feel as though she is the one who created the stories they would give and the alibis, etc. and drilled them into SA's head and told him not to deviate from the script.

    I can't get a feel for whether or not she was actually involved in the act(s), but I'm not convinced she wasn't either.
     
  8. TexasTNT

    TexasTNT New Member

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    IMO the Xbox is significant.

    HD and SA playing Xbox game. Possibly having a good time since "everyone got what they wanted for Christmas". Some flirting from SA to HD. BD flies into a rage and something happens to HD caused by BD. BD and SA only go to work on that Monday to try to build an alibi.

    BD leaves it to SA to clean up the mess. DD interrupts the cleaning.

    All is my opinion and my opinion only.

    What I find interesting is the following:

    LEO out of Garza County - computer forensics specialist.
    Dist. Judge out of Midland County - issues warrant for Howard County based on findings from Garza County.

    So many LEO from various counties involved in one form or another.

    Had HD not "disappeared" all of the CP, etc. might never have been found.

    BD and SA were making $$$$$$$$ off all that CP etc.


    Again, MOO!
     
  9. Ellebelle

    Ellebelle New Member

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    BBM
    That has pretty much been my theory all along, except, that I think Billie turned the other cheek to Shaw's perverted ways, because she, too is perverted and to keep him around. I also that she was in on getting rid of HD. You see I think BD was very jealous of her daughter in more ways than one. I think in both of their sick minds they believe that HD was coming on to Shawn.
    I also keep waiting for one of them to commit suicide or murder.
    I have long thought that he's one sick perv and will not be able to stop.
    Billie invited him into her home with what seems to be without a thought or a care as to anyone or anything but her own satisfaction.
     
  10. katydid23

    katydid23 Verified Juanette

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    I think Shawn chose to be with Billie partially because of the beautiful 11 yr old daughter who lived there too. Also because he could live at her house- rent free, drive her car, use her money for drugs, use her x-box to watch his porn-stix, get her to print up his tru-crime bed time stories, and have a place to watch gory movies every day and play with his masks.
    Billie wanted the 'true love' of a younger awesome guy, to help validate her own awesomeness. She joined in his awesome hobbies with enthusiasm and did everything he asked. It was really annoying the way he kept paying special attention to that kid of hers though. Why was she doing that, was she flirting with him?
    I think Shawn had been grooming Hailey for quite awhile. He was patient but she would not budge. She was resistant and she insisted upon sleeping in the livingroom, where he had no privacy with her, which frustrated him immensely.

    Also, Shawn had just heard through Billie about a young kid that Hailey 'liked' from another school. Some even said it was her first boyfriend. Shawn was truly angry upon hearing that. She was going to pay for that behavior if it was true.

    Shawn convinced Billie to buy Hailey her own TV for Christmas. That way Shawn would finally have some privacy with Hailey in her room. No coincidence that she 'went and disappeared' just as she began sleeping in her own room.

    I think Shawn made sure Billie was really drugged up Sunday night so she would be out of the way. After DD left, Shawn entered Hailey's room, and offered to set up the x-box on her new tv for her. She agreed, and then he began showing her some of his fave memory sticks. I think she resisted and it went too far. He may have taken her out of the home that night and drove to work straight from disposing of her, and not ever slept that night. I think he told Billie that Hailey OD'd on some of Billies drugs and he would cover for her, imo.
     
  11. Quiche

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    I don't have a really strong feeling about all the details, but the ones I do feel strongly about are these:

    Billie and Shawn are equally responsible for Hailey's demise.

    I believe Billie thinks she has the right to do anything she wants with HER daughter. (He gave Hailey to her)

    It happened on Sunday night after DD left, or in the wee hours of the next morning.

    I believe the Xbox had much to do with initializing whatever happened.

    I believe Billie emotionally said "goodbye" to Hailey while standing at her bedroom door on Monday morning before work.

    I believe Shawn disposed of Hailey on Monday, after he returned to CC.

    I believe DD broke into the house because he thought Shawn had Hailey alone in there.

    I believe Hailey told DD all her fears and concerns about SA and mom.

    I believe Billie and Shawn are in the child porn Business.

    I believe deflowering Hailey, for profit, was high on Shawn's to do list.

    I believe Billie and Shawn can't stay away from each other, because they are
    aroused by what they've done.

    I believe that tattoo of Hailey was gotten to enhance Shawn's sexual experience.



    This is all, JMO. :mad:
     
  12. dodie20

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    One of the main things that has bothered me about BD is the LDT. She claimed after SA failed his, she kicked him out of the house. So, she made it clear that she trusted his results...but at the same time, she had excuses for her her own failure. A normal reaction, I would think, would be to debunk both results...with the justification that she knew she was innocent & failed, so SA must be innocent and failed because of the same type of screw up. Why didn't she do this? If I was in her situation, that would've become a running theme for OUR our innocence . Her failing hers should have actually strengthened her faith in SA's innocence. But it didn't, so I'm thinking that she knew that she really failed and he really failed, but when push came to shove, she was only going to look out for herself. Also, SA said a couple of things in his LDT interview, that should've alienated her to the point of no return, (if she was innocent), like LE needing to look at the both of them...but she barely reacted. An innocent person would've been thinking, IMO, 'oh my God, he did something and is trying to take me down with him'. So, thinking about these things, it's MOO, that BD was either the perp, or an equal participant, or at the least, in on an active cover-up. SA seems to either be a weak link, or he gets off by dangling information in front of LE. I'm not sure which, but those couple of admissions during his LDT interview, seemed to point to him wanting to end this. MOO.
     
  13. dodie20

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    Wow, I hadn't thought of the tattoo like that. I thought she may have gotten it because it seemed like a 'motherly' thing to do, or just because she likes getting tattoos & this gave her an excuse. I know a lot of people don't like the tattoo and think it's ugly, but IMO, the artist did a really good job. It's beautiful work and in different circumstances it would've been a nice thing to have. MOO.
     
  14. txsvicki

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    No way do I think Haylie was in any sort of prior sexual abuse by SA. From all we've heard I just don't think she was the type girl to be silenced and afraid to tell. According to her Grandma, she was suspicious and creeped out by him and voiced it at an early age, but seems to have eventually been manipulated into somewhat accepting the situation enough to stay home sometimes even though she wanted to live with her dad. Gory crime interests, drugs, child assault porn on every device could tell the story. I just don't get why BD wouldn't allow Haylie to live elsewhere unless it was because she wanted to keep that house, and not have to pay child support herself. That could also be a motive and some unbalanced men wanting to keep their sugar mamma might go ahead and make an attack. However, he seemed to have been done with his job and might have also been about done with BD. I've always thought that DD is the one who really sounded the alarm about not being able to find Haylie. Maybe the other poster is right and he did break in because he couldn't find her that day and was silenced by someone.
     
  15. cluciano63

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    I agree that if Hailey was abused or raped by SA, it was the first and last time, as not only would be likely to tell, they (or he) would be afraid she might, in any case. So I don't think there was on-going abuse, or Hailey would not have been so free to go back and forth to her father's house, etc...they would have kept a much closer eye on her.
     
  16. Knox

    Knox Wear Pink & Eat Cake ~ Lauren Giddings

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    Great Post Katydid23!

    Telling Billie that Hailey OD'd on her pills and he will take care of it for her makes perfect sense. It explains her insane behavior and why she won't, actually, cannot kick him to the curb. Also explains the initial discrepancies in their stories and failing the LD tests. I think your theory will come very close to the truth of what happened to Hailey.

    Hopefully the two of them will turn on each other like rattlesnakes and tell LE where Hailey can be found. Clint deserves that.
     
  17. WideOpen

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    My theory has always included BD in the evil, sick, hell that Hailey endured during the chaos of her last moments before she went missing. I can't bring myself to say I believe she is dead, I want for her to be home happy, healthy, and playing with baby sister.

    I'm going to say this again because this is when I fell off the fence! This is the link to the 1st video interview we see of Billie Dunn and Clint after the prayer vigil on January 2nd. The footage starts off with Billie dunn saying these words,
    "SHE WASN'T THE TYPE OF CHILD TO RUN AWAY BUT RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE NO LEADS WHATSOEVER. SHE DIDNT TAKE ANY CLOTHES SO WE'RE PRETTY WORRIED."

    Then she goes onto say in the next breath, " I HOPE SHE RAN AWAY, AND UM, I HOPE SHE IS JUST SCARED TO COME HOME BUT WANT HER TO KNOW WE'RE NOT MAD AT HER. SHE IS NOT IN ANY TROUBLE WITH POLICE, SHE IS NOT IN ANY TROUBLE WITH US"

    http://www.ktxs.com/news/26345660/detail.html

    From Hailey Reference & Timeline
    Thread 1, pg. 13, post 301
     
  18. ~greeneyedgirl~

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    This is only my theory, I'm sure some of you share in some if not all of my thoughts...

    Billie is a tiny woman, that is fact, she is in fact taking narcotics on a seemingly regular basis. Depending on what she is taking and how much she is taking I feel it is safe to assume that at night she is pretty much out cold.

    Hailey had just recently started sleeping in her own bedroom again due to the TV she got for Christmas.

    DD was sleeping out Sunday night. Last saw his sister playing Xbox, in his opinion, based on her skill level of the game (call of duty) he expects her to play anywhere from 2 - 3 hours, if I recall correctly DD last saw Hailey around 9pm, playing the game in his room.

    I wholeheartedly feel that Sunday night once everyone was tucked in and Billie said her goodnights to Hailey, she went to bed around the 10pm time she last saw her daughter, again she is out cold due to the "meds" ( i use that term loosely) she is taking.

    Sometime during the last known time of DD seeing Hailey and Billie stating she said goodnight to her in her own room watching TV around 10ish, Hailey decided she didn't want to play anymore for whatever reason and went into her own room to watch TV and fall asleep.

    Once Billie is asleep, Shawn decides this is the time to act upon his urges for Hailey, maybe by asking her if she wants to play COD with him, back into DD's room they go to play the game. That is why it is so imperative about DD stating Hailey was playing the game, Xbox shows when and who logged in last, and how long they played, because I believe it will show 2 users playing that night.

    I know items from Hailey's bedroom were removed but does anyone know if anything from DD's room has been taken for forensics.

    I cannot bring myself to type what may have transpired in those hours between Billie going to sleep and Shawn leaving for work in the morning.

    I think Hailey was taken out of the house in the night and her bed was made to look like she was in it. The comment early on from Billie stating that to "ease her mind" she checked on Hailey in the morning, I believe this stems from the fact that in the night, in her drug induced sleep she recalls Shawn not being in bed next to her. Whether or not she is a good mother has no bearing on the fact that parents have a gut feeling.

    Shawn leaves work before Billie even gets up, again if I recall correctly, goes to work, maybe Hailey is even in the car, he goes to work decides there is no way in heck he can stay at work. I think those early morning calls (the 3 that were deleted) was Shawn speaking with Billie to make sure that she didn't find out or realize that Hailey wasn't home.

    Shawn goes into "cover his a**" mode and here we are today.

    I think Billie is responsible due to her bringing Shawn into their lives, I don't think she had anything to do with it at all, and I think she honestly wanted to believe that there is no way he, the man she loves could harm her child. yes she has made some horrible actually beyond horrible choices since Hailey has been missing, her drug use has left her void of maternal instincts and proper thought process. I don't for one second think that she gave her daughter to him or that she was jealous of Hailey, I just don't see it.

    Shawn did this to Hailey and we won't find her until he decides its time to let us know where she is. This is because of his sexually twisted desires and nothing else. I also strongly feel that whatever did occur is filmed either in video or still shots so he can relive it over and over, the act of doing it wasn't enough he must see it. That is what I think he was doing that day that DD came home and the doors were locked. I also believe he acted alone and needs to be put away for life, he is a danger to society.

    Again this is my Theory only based on my thoughts from what we have been told thus far.
     
  19. CN2Souls

    CN2Souls I am BACCCCKKKKK

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    Fact: We know SA likes to take Videos and Pictures,
    Fact BD admitted that she is in some of the videos of them.

    So my Theory is...
    &
    My personal opinion is:
    The memory card for the phone SA has.. I believe that is a blackberry curve,
    (listed in Affidavit)
    He might have taken the micro card (32GB) out of it and that is what they want... I feel it may have CP on it.
    but it may also be one that has something to do with Hailey on it and might have BD is in those videos / pictures.
    I believe that’s why he went to BD so she could hide it. This maybe the only evidence there is in HD case.
    She might have it now!
    Now she holds all the cards.
    That might be why there may be No Trespassing order for the house.
     
  20. Chili Fries

    Chili Fries Man Sleuth

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    I had forgotten about this until now. I posted it in another thread but it fits here too:

    I had a friend, who is not my friend anymore, whose dad and stepmom would have him watch them have sex and make him join in a little when he was around Hailey's age. It was something they really got off on. I'm sure neither one of them thought it was wrong at the time, because years later, when my ex-friend was an adult, the stepmom apologized to him and became part of his life again (sadly she was the best parent he ever had even with all that). His dad stayed sexually screwed up though, he would still tell my ex-friend stories about sexual interactions with his dog. Just awful and traumatic stuff that had a lasting effect on the child, and on me...my ex-friend snapped one day when we were hanging out, attacked me basically without warning and sent me to the hospital. It's amazing how much rage all of that had installed in him.

    Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if something like that occurred with Hailey, Billie offering Hailey to Shawn is a possibility or maybe both of them though it would turn them on to have Hailey involved. It's easy to figure how something really bad could happen during that, planned (at least by Shawn) or not. I think there are many different scenarios that I could come up with and this strikes me as a plausible one.
     
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    I think this may be close. I do think that somewhere evidence exists showing what happened to this child. This guy loves to watch and fantisize... if he did this he would definitely want to relive it over and over. Billie is a case all by herself. I keep getting mixed vibes about her. I do see him sharing most of his sick addictions with her....but I don't know about this particular fantasy. These cases just keep getting more and more depraved. How low can we go?
     
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