TIMELINE - Where was Alcala and when?

http://www.unionleader.com/article....rticleId=046983fe-f771-43f7-9545-d0ba13353f12


Investigators believe that before Alcala committed these murders, he lived in Georges Mills between 1969 and 1971, according to Senior Assistant Attorney General Will Delker. While in the small town on Lake Sunapee, he was known as John Berger. Alcala was arrested in New Hampshire on charges from another state, Delker said, but as far as he knows, Alcala had never been charged with a crime in New Hampshire.
 
Supposing the Polanski stuff isn't true, what else in the timeline might be made up?

To the best of my knowledge the dates are accurate. I have seen two different dates for the October, 1974 arrest (13th and 16th), but most of the other dates have been consistently reported in more than one source. As far as studying with Polanski is concerned, he may have simply attended a talk and that might have been the sum total of it. Who knows?

Besides the Wikipedia article on Alcala, these are the sources I used in compiling the timeline:

http://www.laweekly.com/content/printVersion/833085

http://theoriginalgreenwichdiva.com...a-is-linked-to-1970s-murders-in-ny-city/1771/

Cold Case Investigations - View Single Post - Rodney Alcala : THIS IS RIDICULOUS !!


http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/archive/S150806.PDF

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/rodney_alcala/1.html

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011322181_serialkiller12m.html

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/manhattan/item_iiax664E9GkiFVNkzBcEkP/0
 
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Wonder if one could call UCLA to verify his years of attendance. Or BC/BS to verify dates of employment. I used to be able to do that, but it's been a long time to still have access to records.
 
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snipped from here:
http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpps/news/dp...ntenced-to-death-in-calif-fc-20100330_6829484


Robin Samsoe disappeared near the Huntington Beach Pier on June 20, 1979, while on the way to ballet class on a friend's bicycle.

Her badly mutilated body was found in the Angeles National Forest 12 days later. Investigators could not determine whether the girl had been sexually assaulted or the cause of death because of the condition of her body, which had been attacked by animals.

Alcala -- who straightened and cut his hair after the girl was killed and moved to Seattle, where he was eventually arrested -- was convicted in 1980 of murdering the child and sent to death row.

I thought he was arrested in Monterey Park at his mother's but this is the second time I've seen this statement. But anyway, in looking at potential suspects in any of the other unsolved crimes, it should be noted he cut his hair.
 
I think the article saying he was arrested in Seattle is incorrect. The following excerpt is from an appellate court opinion dealing with Alcala's case:

www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/archive/S150806.PDF

(This excerpt is on Page 5 of a 32-page document.)

Excerpt:
When petitioner visited his girlfriend, Elizabeth Kelleher, in Long Beach on June 22, his hair was long and curly. On June 23, the composite sketch was distributed throughout the area; on that same day, petitioner straightened his hair with the aid of a chemical product. On June 26, he cut his hair.
On July 8, he told Kelleher he had decided to leave Southern California for Dallas, Texas, where he planned to establish a photography business. Kelleher accompanied defendant to the Monterey Park residence he shared with his mother to help him pack for the trip.

On July 11, defendant rented a storage locker in Seattle, Washington. When he returned to California three days later, he did not mention to anyone that he had been to Seattle, and instead told Kelleher he had been to Dallas. On July 23, defendant told Kelleher he would leave for Dallas on the following day &#8212; and he told another acquaintance he would leave for Chicago. (Alcala II, supra, 4 Cal.4th at p. 760.)

Petitioner was arrested on July 24, however, and a search warrant was served on the home he shared with his mother. The police impounded a Datsun F10 parked at the residence and registered to petitioner, inside of which the officers found camera equipment and a briefcase containing a set of keys. Inside the home, officers seized sets of Kane Kut kitchen knives and observed a receipt for a storage locker located in Seattle, Washington. One of the officers copied the information on the receipt but did not seize
it. Officers returned the next day to retrieve the receipt, but it was gone.3(Alcala II, supra, 4 Cal.4th at pp. 756-761.)
 
BRBM(bold red by me)
It makes me wonder if Alcala had been to or stayed in Dallas, Texas or Illinois before? Maybe we should be looking there for crimes that fit his MO. I believe I read he was born in Texas and moved to California with his family when he was 12. I haven't heard anything about him being in IL before though??


I think the article saying he was arrested in Seattle is incorrect. The following excerpt is from an appellate court opinion dealing with Alcala's case:

www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/archive/S150806.PDF

(This excerpt is on Page 5 of a 32-page document.)

Excerpt:
When petitioner visited his girlfriend, Elizabeth Kelleher, in Long Beach on June 22, his hair was long and curly. On June 23, the composite sketch was distributed throughout the area; on that same day, petitioner straightened his hair with the aid of a chemical product. On June 26, he cut his hair.
On July 8, he told Kelleher he had decided to leave Southern California for Dallas, Texas, where he planned to establish a photography business. Kelleher accompanied defendant to the Monterey Park residence he shared with his mother to help him pack for the trip.

On July 11, defendant rented a storage locker in Seattle, Washington. When he returned to California three days later, he did not mention to anyone that he had been to Seattle, and instead told Kelleher he had been to Dallas. On July 23, defendant told Kelleher he would leave for Dallas on the following day — and he told another acquaintance he would leave for Chicago. (Alcala II, supra, 4 Cal.4th at p. 760.)

Petitioner was arrested on July 24, however, and a search warrant was served on the home he shared with his mother. The police impounded a Datsun F10 parked at the residence and registered to petitioner, inside of which the officers found camera equipment and a briefcase containing a set of keys. Inside the home, officers seized sets of Kane Kut kitchen knives and observed a receipt for a storage locker located in Seattle, Washington. One of the officers copied the information on the receipt but did not seize
it. Officers returned the next day to retrieve the receipt, but it was gone.3(Alcala II, supra, 4 Cal.4th at pp. 756-761.)
 
New time line info here, such as, He was AWOL a few times from the Army and he (exposed himself to his sister), that must have been reported to the authorities or how else would they know that little piece of info. Is someone updating the original time line we have here at the beginning of this thread?

http://www.ocregister.com/news/alcala-243387-photos-detectives.html?graphics=1#graphics1

Also mentions where he vacationed a few times.
 
New time line info here, such as, He was AWOL a few times from the Army and he (exposed himself to his sister), that must have been reported to the authorities or how else would they know that little piece of info. Is someone updating the original time line we have here at the beginning of this thread?

http://www.ocregister.com/news/alcala-243387-photos-detectives.html?graphics=1#graphics1

Also mentions where he vacationed a few times.

Great find!! I've snipped the two parts with the most new info:

Early stuff

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Later stuff (note all the places/dates when he was on vacation!)

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What a great timeline, Indiana! thanks for getting that.

What I gleaned from an article is that Alcala was in NYC in 1968 (we knew that) and again in 1978 (we didn't know this).

From the original timeline/1st post (my additions in italics):

~January-March 22: unknown. May have been in NYC.

~"1978 (March 22) interviewed at his mother’s home in Monterey Park as part of Hillside Strangler investigation. Found in possession of marijuana.
1978 (March 22) incarcerated (for a short time...approx 2 months) (Posession-drugs)

Say he was incarcerated for 60 days. That takes out March 22 - May 22.

There is one month here he could've been in NY: Late May through late June

1978 (June 24) Charlotte Lamb age 32 (Murder; Convicted, 2010. California)

1978 summer "The Dating Game" TV game show contestant. Rod Alcala aka Bachelor Number One (show aired September 13, 1978)"

I read that this had been taped sometime earlier that summer, say 6-8 weeks before airdate. That narrows the window to mid-July to early August tape date...in Los Angeles. Which leaves us with the end of June through mid-July to be in NYC.

I don't know when he was there, but I have two ideas...one, he spent the early part of the year there, and the other one is that he left LA after Charlotte Lamb was murdered 6/24, to lessen the pressure of scrutiny by the PD.

I wonder whose been listed as missing during those time frames in NY?

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Herding Cats
 
Let me see if I can do it this way.

********************
1978

Jan: Unknown

Feb: Unknown

Mar: 3/22. Interviewed as part of the Hillside Strangler investigation. Arrested for possession of pot/parole vio. Served short sentence (+/-60 days)

April: Incarcerated Los Angeles.

May: Incarcerated Los Angeles.

June: Released June 17.
Charlotte Lamb murdered June 24.

July: July 2 started vacation; areas visited: Chicago, Washington DC, NY.
~ Ellen Hover missing 7/13.
Aug: Aug 11: El Paso, TX.

Sep: Air date for "Dating Game" Sept. 13. Likely shot a few weeks earlier (although unknown).

Oct: Unknown

Nov: Unknown

Dec: Unknown

*********************

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Herding Cats
 
I made myself a timeline to see the gaps between the known murders and his incarceration. We now know there were probably more murders between these gaps. I double checked all these dates. In case anyone finds this useful, thought I would post:

DATES OF MURDERS AND INCARCERATION

1968 Sept. 25, 1968 First known attack on Tali Shapiro, Los Angeles

1971 June 22, 1971 Cornelia Crilley, New York

1971 Aug 12 ARRESTED IN CONCORD NH, INCARCERAATED UNTIL
Aug 3, 1974


1974 October 16, 1974 Julie J., age 13, Huntington Beach, CA

1974 October 16, 1974 INCARCERATED UNTIL JUNE 17, 1977

1977 July 13, 1977 Ellen Hover murdered in New York

October 8, 1977 Pamela Jean Lambson, San Francisco, CA

November 9, 1977 Jill Barcomb, Franklin Canyon, Beverly Hills

Dec. 16, 1977 Georgia Wixted murdered in Malibu apt


1978 March 22 to May 22 (approx) INCARCERATED FOR POSSESSION
Incarcerated for possession of marijuana March 22 to May 22, 1978 (exact dates uncertain).


1978 June 24, 1978 Charlotte Lamb, El Segundo, CA

1979 February 12, 1979 "Monique H." age 15, Riverside County, CA
June 14, 1979 Jill Parenteau killed in her Burbank apartment.
June 20, 1979 Robin Samsoe murdered in Huntington Beach


1979 JULY 24, 1979 ARRESTED, INCARCERATED TO PRESENT
 
Does anybody have the name of the summer camp he worked for in NH between '68 and '71, or the town in which it was located?
 
Could we also add any vehicles, make, model etc...? I know vehicles are not officially part of a time line of whereabouts but vehicles change through time and the vehicle descriptions become buried in threads. The vehicle descriptions do not warrant a thread of their own (IMO) so could they be tucked in the time line too please?
 
Im not sure iam posting this under the correct spot for alcala but i was jjust watching a tv show called Investigators and they had a case that was exstremly simmilar his name was ray bradburry and he took pics of women ,told them he was a model agent and killed quite a few the los angelas police have 3 posters of women thay cant account for .It just reminded me of this case here ..
 

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