Found Deceased TN - Noah Chamberlin, 2, Pinson, 14 Jan 2016 - #2

[Edinlass]

We've had no info re: how active or gregarious Noah is. We assume he is still in diapers but we really know nothing about him except age, height and weight and the fact that he's missing.

Pretty sure in the press conference LE stated he was active. Or in MSM, I defo seen that somewhere. I will look for a link. Regardless 2 year olds do, in general, have a lot of energy and can get a fair distance in a VERY short period IMO

 

[TupeloMz]

It is amazing to me that with so many volunteer searchers we still don't know how big of an area has been searched or exactly where they are searching..Do we?
I guess I need to watch the PC again.
ETA..press conference yesterday does say "at least" 1000 acres and "expanding from that everyday".
I am glad to hear the search area (wherever that is) is constantly expanding.

 

[SCHMAE]

Find Noah!

 

[Foxfire]

This may sound like a silly question for SAR specialists (I've never been on a search) -
When they cover an area, do they only walk in one direction, from the center out or across a grid from a starting point and then move on?
Sometimes (especially in the hills) you can only see things from one direction and can walk right over them coming from the other way.

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1southernmama, I'm not a websleuths verified SAR specialist, but do independent searches and research on missing persons cases, and have been a member of CUE for about seven years. So take my info, for what it is worth, as my opinion only.

re: When they cover an area, do they only walk in one direction, from the center out or across a grid from a starting point and then move on?

1southernmama, I would say all of the above due to there being so many variables. Each individual missing person search has its own unique issues depending on the region, terrain, topography, investigative circumstances of the case, type and amount of resources used in the search, etc.

I recently assisted on a GA search of a 27 year old man that went missing while walking his dog in 2013. Many searches had been conducted by investigators, family, and community volunteers for 2 years without results. CUE was requested by LE and the family. A notice was sent out to CUE members for a weekend search. Approximately 100 searchers showed up including command personnel, horse team, atv team, and ground searchers. Each team was given a specific grid area to search depending on the topography and terrain. I was assigned to the atv team. After orientation and a short prayer, the search teams left out at 9am. By 11 am, after clearing a 30 acre planted pine field, the atv team had located the missing person's billfold with ID hidden in a 12' briar thicket, where the rabbits couldn't go. Nearby was his partial remains.

During a search by the Community United Effort (CUE) Center for Missing Persons and the Newton County Sheriff&#8217;s Office (NCSO) for missing person Robert (Bobby Weaver, III), human remains were found Oct. 24.
The remains were positively identified as those of Weaver, according to NCSO, Friday.
http://www.covnews.com/archives/200029/ <3 photos>

 

[passionflower]

Not a word about little Noah, like he loved to color, could he talk? sing? favorite toy? potty trained?
Why did the family and friends go completely mum?
Surely he eliminated during the first 24 ours and wouldn't dogs smell it?
A hand full of searchers are the only ones talking on SM and it is called bad rumors...........
Have we ever had a case that no one talks about the child?

 

[JeannaT]

Not a word about little Noah, like he loved to color, could he talk? sing? favorite toy? potty trained?
Why did the family and friends go completely mum?
Surely he eliminated during the first 24 ours and wouldn't dogs smell it?
A hand full of searchers are the only ones talking on SM and it is called bad rumors...........
Have we ever had a case that no one talks about the child?

It seems this LE is very aware of social media chattering, and they don't want to add fuel to the fire. They're right - any snippet of information they give will be discussed endlessly, and will be fodder for rumors for those who love to spin rumors. I'm glad this is a moderated forum with people who stick to facts, because man, there's some crazy speculation going on with this case completely out of left field.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Not a word about little Noah, like he loved to color, could he talk? sing? favorite toy? potty trained?
Why did the family and friends go completely mum?
Surely he eliminated during the first 24 ours and wouldn't dogs smell it?
A hand full of searchers are the only ones talking on SM and it is called bad rumors...........
Have we ever had a case that no one talks about the child?

How is information about Noah's favorite color or toy relevant to finding him? I think that LE is keeping the case in the news so the parents don't have to talk. If LE stops doing press conferences, no more searches, then it will be up to the parents then. But what will the parents talking to the media accomplish? It seems to me that the case is getting plenty of attention in the local area.

<modsnip>I don't think it would go over well if the parents talked. And since the case isn't lacking in the media or resources department, there is no need, at this point, for them to.

 

[Eileen730]

2 seems to be a very dangerous age.

We have seen way to many 2 yr olds on our threads and 99 percent of them do NOT end well.

Prayers for them all!

 

[Ontario Mom]

It seems this LE is very aware of social media chattering, and they don't want to add fuel to the fire. They're right - any snippet of information they give will be discussed endlessly, and will be fodder for rumors for those who love to spin rumors. I'm glad this is a moderated forum with people who stick to facts, because man, there's some crazy speculation going on with this case completely out of left field.

Exactly why I'm intentionally avoiding SM discussions on this case. It'll just make me angry to see the nutty stuff people say.

 

[tlcya]

The family has been with LE and while they are not talking to the press much other than to thank searchers, volunteers and those sending prayers for Noah, they are very involved with the investigation and cooperative per the sheriff.

All facts indicate that Noah went missing in the woods, in a very rural area, while in the company of his grandmother and his 4 year old sister. He did not go missing in a city or crowded mall. Family making pleas to public to be on the lookout for a missing child are very helpful if that child was abducted, is lost in a metropolitan area, or disappeared from their bed in the dead of night.

None of those appear to be the case here based on statements from LE

 

[kimi_SFC]

To our verified and non-verified SAR professionals, K9 handlers, 1st responders, and searchers, I just want to say thank you from the bottom of my :websleuther: :heart: to each and every one of you! As many of you know, this is a subject near and dear to me. The team who searched for #FindSierraLaMar in an unprecedented effort, led by @KlaasKidsSearch starting back in March 2012, set the bar IMO. They literally searched for years. :tears:

I've also grown a deep respect for many of you (too many to name, and I hope you know who you are!). This forum is an amazing place where we are able to crowd source the talents and perspectives of so many. In times like these, it is priceless.

At this moment, WS is a respite from the chaos I can only imagine is occurring everywhere else that "information" may be disseminating on this case. I place a high value on how things are done here. Yes, it takes effort from all of us, but the reason behind it is invaluable as well. We are victim-friendly. The Internet is forever, and I know for a fact that families read here (in other cases). I try to keep this in mind whenever I post.

I truly hope that in the final analysis, we will be able to look back at this case and understand how and why decisions were made. I am thankful we have the people here with the knowledge to explain it to those of us who may not.

To our Mods and Admins, your tireless efforts are also greatly appreciated.

We are really all here for the same reasons.
:twocents:

#BringNoahHome
#FindNoah

:candle:


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[lonetraveler]

Has an intensive search been conducted in the home with trained LE and maybe cadaver dogs as well. I've only read that search warrants had not been issued. I'm hoping that parents and grandparents quickly gave permission to conduct the search without the need for a warrant.

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[ILOKAL]

That isn't a "linkable" statement. That's a statement of experience as a parent and experience into the world of children. When you are out in the backyard woods with 2 preschoolers, and suddenly one falls or gets a splinter or needs help with a jacket zipper or shoelace, you stop and help that one out. You don't quick grab up the 2 1/2 year old so you can adjust the jacket zipper of the one. And to insinuate anything else, is to expect other-worldly perfection in a grandparent. It would actually completely stunt the development of the 2 year old, IMHO, if 2 minutes couldn't go by with the child out of eyesight of an adult.

I do have some experience with children with behavior disorders or autism, and in those cases, no, out in an area where they can run off quickly you don't let them out of your sight even for 15 seconds.

But that wasn't the case with Noah, and the grandmother was not remiss in attending to 2 minute issue with the older child. It was just a perfect storm, and it's resulted in a horrible tragedy for which the grandmother shouldn't be made to feel like her behavior was abnormal. Or suspect.

<modsnip>I'm the last one to be critical of the grandma or family nor do I believe anything but absolute truth in the grandma's story. <modsnip>

 

[kimi_SFC]

Has an intensive search been conducted in the home with trained LE and maybe cadaver dogs as well. I've only read that search warrants had not been issued. I'm hoping that parents and grandparents quickly gave permission to conduct the search without the need for a warrant.

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Yes, grandma's house was searched. ETA: the reporter did not go into the detail you're asking though. Sorry. Too bad they didn't appear on @TrueCrimeRadio
:thinking:

This was covered in the Q&A I was able to partially transcribe before @marandafaris' link expired. Here's the link to the post (I've already bumped the post once - and I don't know that folks want to see it again :blushing: )

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12300374


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[Whitefox]

I do see the articles where the 1800 block of Short Rd is mentioned. Based on Google's satellite imaging, it seems to be heavily wooded. Someone had asked about that earlier today/yesterday. There doesn't appear to be many houses on that road, unless they aren't visible to me due to all of the trees. Articles have mentioned questioning the neighbors. In an area like that, I wouldn't really have a close relationship with my neighbors.

Between the intersection of Short rd/Bear Creek rd and the old school, there are a lot of fields/farmed land. That's good news to me, because it's more open and not really an area you have to search over 10+ times. Overall though, I do think it would be very easy for him to get lost if the grandmother wasn't watching for a few minutes. There is a good amount of acres back there with possible dens/ditches/etc. I don't think someone would've kidnapped him and taken him to another location. It is possible, but unlikely, unless it was planned ahead of time. Just my two cents again.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I think the reaction by a lot of people if the parents started pleading for their son would be: "They are changing their story to explain why no sign of Noah has been found in the woods". I don't think it would go over well.

 

[ILOKAL]

Trying to piece all this back together from what was said, wasn't said, etc. I think this is coming from here:

http://wreg.com/2016/01/19/details-surface-about-family-of-noah-chamberlin/

I think the implication was, because he's a Christian, he would never harm his child. Some people do actually believe that, and in some cases it's actually true. However, after following so many cases here and reading of so many others in the headlines over the last 40 years, I think we all know that this isn't always true.

That said, I have no reason at all to believe anything other than what local LE is telling us to be true about this family.

moo.

No, I disagree there were ANY implications. He described this man and one of the descriptions was that he is a Christian! The totality of who this man, in his opinion, is that he would NEVER harm a child!

 

[Karinna]

Has anyone heard of Joshua Childers a 3 yr. old that went missing in some rugged woods a few years ago wearing only a pull up diaper and t-shirt? The weather was wet & cold at the time too. He was found after 52 hours and was fine, but dehydrated.
Apparently all kinds of wildlife there as well. Amazing.

(quote)
Fifty-two hours after he unlocked a deadbolt and ran out of his parents' home, a search volunteer found Joshua about three miles from home, lying by a creek bed, wearing only a T-shirt and one shoe.

The adventurous young man later told his parents "he was going on a hike, going to granny's house," Adam Childers said.

Joking aside, Adam and mom Michelle Childers said a huge weight was lifted from them when Joshua was found. Moving into day three of the search, the Childers were growing increasingly worried.

"Especially at night, I knew he was scared, hungry," Michelle said.

Joshua told his parents he drank water from a creek and miraculously avoided other dangers in the rugged Mark Twain National Forest, home to, among other things bears, mountain lions and snakes.

"There's animals out there that most people wouldn't want to meet up with in a well-lit parking lot," Adam said.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7533428&page=1

 

[Ray_of_hope]

To our verified and non-verified SAR professionals, K9 handlers, 1st responders, and searchers, I just want to say thank you from the bottom of my :websleuther: :heart: to each and every one of you! As many of you know, this is a subject near and dear to me. The team who searched for #FindSierraLaMar in an unprecedented effort, led by @KlaasKidsSearch starting back in March 2012, set the bar IMO. They literally searched for years. :tears:

I've also grown a deep respect for many of you (too many to name, and I hope you know who you are!). This forum is an amazing place where we are able to crowd source the talents and perspectives of so many. In times like these, it is priceless.

At this moment, WS is a respite from the chaos I can only imagine is occurring everywhere else that "information" may be disseminating on this case. I place a high value on how things are done here. Yes, it takes effort from all of us, but the reason behind it is invaluable as well. We are victim-friendly. The Internet is forever, and I know for a fact that families read here (in other cases). I try to keep this in mind whenever I post.

I truly hope that in the final analysis, we will be able to look back at this case and understand how and why decisions were made. I am thankful we have the people here with the knowledge to explain it to those of us who may not.

To our Mods and Admins, your tireless efforts are also greatly appreciated.

We are really all here for the same reasons.
:twocents:

#BringNoahHome
#FindNoah

:candle:


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So well said, Kimi. I hope you've managed to get some rest. :rollercoaster::rollercoaster:

 

[Foxfire]

Not a word about little Noah, like he loved to color, could he talk? sing? favorite toy? potty trained?
Why did the family and friends go completely mum?
Surely he eliminated during the first 24 ours and wouldn't dogs smell it?
A hand full of searchers are the only ones talking on SM and it is called bad rumors...........
Have we ever had a case that no one talks about the child?

It seems this LE is very aware of social media chattering, and they don't want to add fuel to the fire. They're right - any snippet of information they give will be discussed endlessly, and will be fodder for rumors for those who love to spin rumors. I'm glad this is a moderated forum with people who stick to facts, because man, there's some crazy speculation going on with this case completely out of left field.

Imo, an aware citizenry insures a safer community. The lack of info provided at pressers Law Enforcement PIOs is the catalyst for the social media rumors and wild speculation, imo. Anyone that has followed past TN missing persons cases should be familiar with their lack of transparency. The TBI and many other TN LEAs subscribe to the antiquated silence strategy; 'sorry we can't answer that question to protect the integrity of the investigation'..
As in the Holly Bobo case which is going on five years now. Although an arrest of a meth gang was made after three years, no trial date has been set for the suspects at this time. 'Justice delayed is justice denied'..jmo