TN - Shooting at private Christian Covenant School, Nashville, suspect dead, multiple victims, 27 Mar 2023

[Cedars]

The alleged 'motive' stated by the killer, isn't necessarily the real motive.

These aren't transparent, open, honest people, sharing their true feelings with all their friends. A manifesto is part of the whole package of trying to manipulate people to view them in a certain, to them heroic, way.

The Toronto van killer claimed a motive that brought him huge notoriety. But at trial it came out that really wasn't the motive. He apparently was terrified to start a new job, and came up with the story, really just seeking suicide by cop, with some kind of comfort in the thought of the notoriety he'd at least gain after he was dead.

But it was really his fear of failing at his first real job, that caused him to do it

Minassian gave different motive for Toronto van attack in psychiatric assessment, court hears

During psychiatric assessments, Alek Minassian detailed a long history of fantasizing about carrying out a mass shooting and said fear of failing at his new job, not rebellion for the incel subculture, was the motivation behind the deadly Toronto van attack, a court heard Thursday.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

JMO

 

[x_files]

I'm sure no one here had this on their bingo card for Monday but, here we are.
Such a horrific crime against innocent, defenseless people.
And for what?!

It feels like something else just broke in our culture.

jmo

Sadly I dread when school names trend on Twitter, it's become so common almost a weekly event.
I knew eventually a school shooter would be a female it was just a matter of time before private schools would be next. No one is safe.

 

[x_files]

I'm sure no one here had this on their bingo card for Monday but, here we are.
Such a horrific crime against innocent, defenseless people.
And for what?!

It feels like something else just broke in our culture.

jmo

Sadly I dread when school names trend on Twitter, it's become so common almost a weekly event.
I knew eventually a school shooter would be a female it was just a matter of time before private schools would be next. No one is safe.

 

[Sundog]

Nashville school shooting: 6 killed including 3 students, shooter dead

Three students and three adults were fatally shot Monday at a private Christian school in Nashville, Tennessee, authorities said.

www.foxnews.com

Some good images of the property, and article says that the shooter had surveillance maps of the grounds.

Praying for the victims and their families and the entire congregation, with special prayers for the Pastor and his/her spouse whose nine-year old daughter was among the children killed.

 

[Alethea]

I think my opinion on the manifesto would depend on what's in it. All of the manifestos I remember reading in my research made the writer look like a deranged lunatic. These people are not well - whether they are ill or evil depends on the person. But no happy, well-adjusted, loved person comes up with a plan to murder innocents for no reason at all and then writes a babbling book about it.

Obviously if the manifesto is a bomb-making manual or something I don't think that should be shared. But in general I favor public disclosure because it takes away some of the mystique. These aren't heroes, these are sick and evil people.

 

[x_files]

I'm sure no one here had this on their bingo card for Monday but, here we are.
Such a horrific crime against innocent, defenseless people.
And for what?!

It feels like something else just broke in our culture.

jmo

Sadly I dread when school names trend on Twitter, it's become so common almost a weekly event.
I knew eventually a school shooter would be a female it was just a matter of time before private schools would be next. No one is safe.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Photographs of some of the victims and perpetrator.

Illustrations for children in one photograph.

Female shooter kills three kids and two staffers at elementary school

The shooting at The Covenant School in Nashville began at 10.13am on Monday. The female shooter entered the school through a side door and opened fire. She was dead by 10.27am.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This photo is soul-crushing.

 

[ifindedout]

On the screen, it displayed the words: “For Syd. I look up the sky is bright. It’s a beautiful day. I wish you were here…”

RSBBM
"Syd" may well refer to the late Syd Barrett, founding member and original leader of Pink Floyd who descended into a mental illness accelerated by LSD use. The Pink Floyd albums Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, and The Wall contain themes of mental illness and and references to Syd's life.

Syd Barrett - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

MOO

 

[YepperBepper]

The alleged 'motive' stated by the killer, isn't necessarily the real motive.

These aren't transparent, open, honest people, sharing their true feelings with all their friends. A manifesto is part of the whole package of trying to manipulate people to view them in a certain, to them heroic, way.

The Toronto van killer claimed a motive that brought him huge notoriety. But at trial it came out that really wasn't the motive. He apparently was terrified to start a new job, and came up with the story, really just seeking suicide by cop, with some kind of comfort in the thought of the notoriety he'd at least gain after he was dead.

But it was really his fear of failing at his first real job, that caused him to do it

Minassian gave different motive for Toronto van attack in psychiatric assessment, court hears

During psychiatric assessments, Alek Minassian detailed a long history of fantasizing about carrying out a mass shooting and said fear of failing at his new job, not rebellion for the incel subculture, was the motivation behind the deadly Toronto van attack, a court heard Thursday.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

JMO

The alleged 'motive' stated by the killer, isn't necessarily the real motive.

These aren't transparent, open, honest people, sharing their true feelings with all their friends. A manifesto is part of the whole package of trying to manipulate people to view them in a certain, to them heroic, way.

The Toronto van killer claimed a motive that brought him huge notoriety. But at trial it came out that really wasn't the motive. He apparently was terrified to start a new job, and came up with the story, really just seeking suicide by cop, with some kind of comfort in the thought of the notoriety he'd at least gain after he was dead.

But it was really his fear of failing at his first real job, that caused him to do it

Minassian gave different motive for Toronto van attack in psychiatric assessment, court hears

During psychiatric assessments, Alek Minassian detailed a long history of fantasizing about carrying out a mass shooting and said fear of failing at his new job, not rebellion for the incel subculture, was the motivation behind the deadly Toronto van attack, a court heard Thursday.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

JMO

Interesting. I recall (ages ago when I was in college) a college psych proff suggesting these types of people were vulnerable narcissists. That's why I was curious if narcissism was considered a mental illness either in the DSM or under law. Imho

 

[Alethea]

LE saying "resentment" may be a motive. What changed in the last few years for the shooter? I wonder if they will look into any medications being taken at the time. Link: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-65087221

"Resentment" though, really. It makes me angry. My life changed in an instant when I realized that everyone around me was likely dealing with a serious issue of their own and my problems were not unique and special. Everyone has family or friends get sick or pass away, loss or grief of some type. Disappointment, pain, illness. It is easy to think our own problems are so special - and our society sure focuses on that - when really it's just life. You can make the best of it and move on and make something of your life or you can feel bad for yourself into a spiral.

It really just makes me sick.

 

[x_files]

Sadly I dread when school names trend on Twitter, it's become so common almost a weekly event.
I knew eventually a school shooter would be a female it was just a matter of time before private schools would be next. No one is safe.

 

[Leve]

I think this particular shooter has a very high opinion of themselves and chose an elementary school to make the biggest news splash possible so we can all read and be awed by their words (manifesto).

I don't think mental illness is involved, probably just a huge case of victim hood and self righteousness.

 

[YepperBepper]

LE saying "resentment" may be a motive. What changed in the last few years for the shooter? I wonder if they will look into any medications being taken at the time. Link: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-65087221

"Resentment" though, really. It makes me angry. My life changed in an instant when I realized that everyone around me was likely dealing with a serious issue of their own and my problems were not unique and special. Everyone has family or friends get sick or pass away, loss or grief of some type. Disappointment, pain, illness. It is easy to think our own problems are so special - and our society sure focuses on that - when really it's just life. You can make the best of it and move on and make something of your life or you can feel bad for yourself into a spiral.

It really just makes me sick.

I feel the same way. What made this decade+ old resentment come to a head now? The perp hasn't attended this school for at least 15 years, if my math is right.

Everyone has a story. Some really horrible life experiences. We all deal with things differently. Some go to therapy. Some use prayer and religion. Some never talk about it and you would never know. Some work long hours. Some drink. Some smoke. Some use drugs.

And some shoot vulnerable people so they can punish society....

Imho

 

[JennieM]

Hale had “no [criminal] history at all”, [the Nashville police chief, John] Drake said.

Nashville school shooter carefully plotted attack that killed six, say police

Officers killed attacker, 28, after massacre left three children and three adults dead

www.theguardian.com

 

[squish]

They seem to say that the school was chosen for security reasons

• Police said the shooter had identified a second target, not a school, but decided there was too much security at the second location

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65087221

So she went to the place without guns?

 

[JennieM]

So she went to the place without guns?

The police may be referring to the writings they found, the locations noted down.

 

[Detective Willy]

Trans person identified as Nashville school shooting suspect; Maps, 'manifesto' found at shooter's house

Nashville police have identified a trans person as the shooter behind America's latest school shooting attack that killed three children and three adults at a Nashville-based educational institution. As per reports, the shooter left behind a map and a manifesto relating to the attack. The items...

www.wionews.com

This article says the shooter was a Trans Man and not a female?

 

[JennieM]

Trans person identified as Nashville school shooting suspect; Maps, 'manifesto' found at shooter's house

Nashville police have identified a trans person as the shooter behind America's latest school shooting attack that killed three children and three adults at a Nashville-based educational institution. As per reports, the shooter left behind a map and a manifesto relating to the attack. The items...

www.wionews.com

This article says the shooter was a Trans Man and not a female?

Police said Hale was transgender, although they haven't specified further details. She was born female, but a LinkedIn profile believed to be hers uses he/him pronouns, suggesting Hale was living as a man.

Trans Nashville shooter seen firing through door of Christian school

Audrey Hale, 28, was shot dead by police after killing three children and three staff members in a Nashville school on Monday. She was born female, but is believed to be living as a man.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[steeltowngirl]

I think my opinion on the manifesto would depend on what's in it. All of the manifestos I remember reading in my research made the writer look like a deranged lunatic. These people are not well - whether they are ill or evil depends on the person. But no happy, well-adjusted, loved person comes up with a plan to murder innocents for no reason at all and then writes a babbling book about it.

Obviously if the manifesto is a bomb-making manual or something I don't think that should be shared. But in general I favor public disclosure because it takes away some of the mystique. These aren't heroes, these are sick and evil people.

You make a good point about public disclosure removing mystique.

I want to say that I intended no disrespect in my earlier post for anyone who wants to read the shooter’s writings.

I guess the truth is that I just can’t handle it. Like many here, I have school-age little ones, my grandkids, who live far away.… I can’t even bear to ask my own child if the kids are asking questions, or if they are afraid.

Maybe the kids don’t live in fear, as the news of school shootings have become a common occurrence to them anymore. Is there a general acceptance by school kids of this ‘new normal’?

If so, that really scares me.

 

[Breezie]

Police chief tells NBC News a sense of ‘resentment’ may have fueled Nashville shooter’s attack at former school

The shooter, Audrey Hale, 28, of Nashville, may have planned to attack multiple locations, Police Chief John Drake told Lester Holt in an interview.

www.nbcnews.com

Former school headmaster Bill Campbell said that he remembered Hale as a third-grader in 2005 and fourth-grader in 2006, citing yearbooks he keeps.

“It’s just an absolute tragedy what’s happened by the former student and what she did to the teachers and students,” Campbell said.

Hale was not listed as a student in the annuals in the fifth or sixth grade, so Campbell said he believes Hale transferred after the fourth

“I’ve looked back in my annuals and I do remember her as a former student,” the former headmaster said. “She was just one of our young ladies. ... She was just a typical co-ed. A typical student.”

Campbell could not recall any issues Hale might have had at the time that could have raised red flags.

"I think about this student and our relationship at the time she was there, there was nothing extraordinary and unusual," the former school administrator said. "She was loved and appreciated like all of our students.”