TRIAL OF CHAD DAYBELL CHARGED WITH MURDER OF JJ VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN AND TAMMY DAYBELL #6

[mickey2942]

I'm not a Mormon and you would know more than I would. I get what you're saying about the culture of trust but see it as within the religion. What I meant about their culture is what a non Mormon, moving to Utah, would likely find appealing. Polite, good work ethic, family oriented, clean living, practical (prepping, canning and all that old school stuff), neat, tidy and safe communities. IOW, like going back to the 1960s and the opposite of what you find in most of today's society.

Very true. LVD is definitely an anomaly, as an LDS woman. I don't know anyone who has been married five times. Divorced three times.

I keep being surprised that CD hasn't Divorced her yet. Maybe he really believes that they were married in another life, destined to be together.

He didn't need to kill Tammy to be with LVD, just get a divorce. But, he wouldn't have had any money then..

 

[iamshadow21]

I'm not a Mormon and you would know more than I would. I get what you're saying about the culture of trust but see it as within the religion. What I meant about their culture is what a non Mormon, moving to Utah, would likely find appealing. Polite, good work ethic, family oriented, clean living, practical (prepping, canning and all that old school stuff), neat, tidy and safe communities. IOW, like going back to the 1960s and the opposite of what you find in most of today's society.

You're seeing a very clear divide between religion and culture. And I can tell you that there isn't one. LDS socialise with other LDS, patronise the businesses of other LDS, invest money with other LDS, vote for other LDS, use other LDS as their lawyers, doctors, dentists, therapists, undertakers...

And I DIDN'T grow up in Utah or the surrounding states with a big LDS population, I grew up were LDS are a minority, and the nepotism and closed nature of the culture was still deeply present. It wasn't preached from the pulpit, but everyone did it.

When you think that everyone in your bubble is safe and like you, then you're not on guard for someone meaning you ill, or portraying themself or their ideas as something they're not. People suspend their disbelief and don't weigh things as they would if it was someone outside that culture.

MOO

 

[Love Never Fails]

thank you for the recap. of interest to me and of course to many, is the following recap of live testimony from East Idaho News, NateE: (thanks Nate) Investigator Wright testimony about the phones, this passage concerning AC's location in relation to CD's residence the nite Tammy was murdered. interesting, AC didnt go back to his residence, but goes to a hotel in Idaho Falls. why?

"Oct. 16, the device associated with Alex Cox left Lori’s apartment and went to the Comfort Inn in Hurricane, Utah. It stopped there for the night and the next day (Oct. 17) went to the Las Vegas airport. The next day, on Oct. 18, the device went back to Rexburg. Lori Vallow had taken a flight from LasVegas to Hawaii on Oct. 17."

"We now see a map and chart explaining Alex’s device on Oct. 18. It was at Chick-fil-A in Ammon from 7:58 to 9:32 p.m. A data point is then collected near the Salem LDS Church near Chad’s house from 10:07 – 10:45 p.m. There becomes a period of time (from 10:45 – 11:53 p.m.) without any data and the next data point is near US Highway at 11:53 p.m. The device does not go back to Alex’s apartment – rather, it goes to the Hilton Garden in Idaho Falls."

I wonder if Zulema met him there? It’s weird. Or maybe the memories of killing the kids at his or Lori’s apt was getting to him and then Tammy’s death pushed him over the edge. I men four deaths in a few months for a so called prophet? Whew.

 

[iamshadow21]

What is “sunk cost fallacy”?

I've lost money/something important to me, so I'm going to double down, because otherwise, the loss was pointless.

You see it a lot in gamblers, poor investments, and in cults, but also in people who stick with habitually unfaithful partners.

MOO

 

[Love Never Fails]

Very true. LVD is definitely an anomaly, as an LDS woman. I don't know anyone who has been married five times. Divorced three times.

I keep being surprised that CD hasn't Divorced her yet. Maybe he really believes that they were married in another life, destined to be together.

He didn't need to kill Tammy to be with LVD, just get a divorce. But, he wouldn't have had any money then..

He said he didn’t believe in divorce. Ha. But it was ok for Lori because she was hot. I guess.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I've lost money/something important to me, so I'm going to double down, because otherwise, the loss was pointless.

You see it a lot in gamblers, poor investments, and in cults, but also in people who stick with habitually unfaithful partners.

MOO

Ok I have never heard that one before. Thanks.

 

[Spartygirl]

And, so sorry to ask about phone locations considering all of the testimony but was Alex's phone pinged at Chad's on the 9th?

Here is a link to Everything

Timelines
Who's who
Trials
New updates
Videos

Not sure if you are able to watch the trial live, but this link has every day of trial attached along with written updates.

Some days, I am not able to read along or watch so I am glad that Nate Eaton / EIN posts these every day for reference.

Our WS Niner also will post this link at the beginning of every day so I just click on that link to follow along.

Daybell Case Archives - East Idaho News

www.eastidahonews.com

 

[Artis]

You're seeing a very clear divide between religion and culture. And I can tell you that there isn't one. LDS socialise with other LDS, patronise the businesses of other LDS, invest money with other LDS, vote for other LDS, use other LDS as their lawyers, doctors, dentists, therapists, undertakers...

And I DIDN'T grow up in Utah or the surrounding states with a big LDS population, I grew up were LDS are a minority, and the nepotism and closed nature of the culture was still deeply present. It wasn't preached from the pulpit, but everyone did it.

When you think that everyone in your bubble is safe and like you, then you're not on guard for someone meaning you ill, or portraying themself or their ideas as something they're not. People suspend their disbelief and don't weigh things as they would if it was someone outside that culture.

MOO

I totally get what you're saying and Mormons might be far less vulnerable to some cult from outsiders.

 

[Spartygirl]

Very true. LVD is definitely an anomaly, as an LDS woman. I don't know anyone who has been married five times. Divorced three times.

I keep being surprised that CD hasn't Divorced her yet. Maybe he really believes that they were married in another life, destined to be together.

He didn't need to kill Tammy to be with LVD, just get a divorce. But, he wouldn't have had any money then..

BBM
Yes.... it's all about the Money
He and LVD needed the money to continue their love fest in Hawaii
No Kids, but collected on their SS money, until they were found buried in Chad's backyard

LVD did not get CV's insurance $$ so they needed Tammy's and Tammy had to die so they could be together.

I find it difficult to believe CD wouldn't have divorced LVD already also, but I think he is thinking with his loin fire/Storm and nothing else matters. She is his "Goddess"
BARF

 

[Artis]

Here is a link to Everything

Timelines
Who's who
Trials
New updates
Videos

Not sure if you are able to watch the trial live, but this link has every day of trial attached along with written updates.

Some days, I am not able to read along or watch so I am glad that Nate Eaton / EIN posts these every day for reference.

Our WS Niner also will post this link at the beginning of every day so I just click on that link to follow along.

Daybell Case Archives - East Idaho News

www.eastidahonews.com

Thank you so much and I do read Nate, watch some testimony, watch some Hidden True Crime and read here. There's so much information and so many players that I still get goofed up!

 

[lightofmine99]

What is “sunk cost fallacy”?

I've lost money/something important to me, so I'm going to double down, because otherwise, the loss was pointless.

Sunk cost fallacy is what Iamshadow21 said, but it could also be explained as, "It would make more sense to stop, but I have already poured so much into [insert thing] I might as well keep going, otherwise it is a loss." Even if letting go of whatever it was they were dedicated to would be the best option, they don't want to accept any kind of loss or failure. It's unfortunately a very common mentality you can find just about everywhere.

Dawson did not use that phrase; I put that in parenthesis because what he described could be classified as sunk cost fallacy. Perhaps I should've been more clear. I've maintained that sunk cost fallacy has influenced Chad's kids' continued devotion to him to some degree. And maybe that's why Chad and Lori have not officially divorced...

MOO.

 

[Spartygirl]

Thank you so much and I do read Nate, watch some testimony, watch some Hidden True Crime and read here. There's so much information and so many players that I still get goofed up!

No worries-- there is so much confusing information and so many players that I need and keep Nate's info handy for reference LOL

Nate and EIN have been my go to when I either can't watch or need to refer back to something.
And of course, all of you here, to help remind me and discuss with during trials and everything !!!

while I follow Nate online and in court, I did not realize until this week that EIN had all this other info with timelines, who's who and past videos so thought I would share.

 

[Artis]

I wonder where Alex got his money. He traveled all over, stayed in hotels, rented apartments and drove vehicles (did have his own?). That all takes money and not just a little.

 

[Pruddennce]

I wonder if Zulema met him there? It’s weird. Or maybe the memories of killing the kids at his or Lori’s apt was getting to him and then Tammy’s death pushed him over the edge. I men four deaths in a few months for a so called prophet? Whew.

now THAT, we will never know....among other things.....Z received immunity for her 'cooperation'.

 

[Snoopster]

Very true. LVD is definitely an anomaly, as an LDS woman. I don't know anyone who has been married five times. Divorced three times.

I keep being surprised that CD hasn't Divorced her yet. Maybe he really believes that they were married in another life, destined to be together.

He didn't need to kill Tammy to be with LVD, just get a divorce. But, he wouldn't have had any money then..

I know many here believe it was all about the money, and the loin fire (of course!), but I think another reason he didn't want to divorce is that he still wanted to be respected at LDS church so he could continue to position himself as a prophet. It was all about ego and attracting those babes!

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Why would Joe Murray's brother be in court?

That is a Gmail account Alex used. Some people have theorized the name was partially inspired by The Simpsons, because Homer's full name is Homer Jay Simpson. MOO.

AC should have made it easier on himself and used Homer J. Simpleton, way more fitting.

 

[iamshadow21]

I know many here believe it was all about the money, and the loin fire (of course!), but I think another reason he didn't want to divorce is that he still wanted to be respected at LDS church so he could continue to position himself as a prophet. It was all about ego and attracting those babes!

Yeah, I think this is on the money.

His image wasn't that of a divorced person. It would have dented his persona if that had happened.

Also, 'predicting' Tammy's death was good for his brand. Showed he really did have a hotline to the future. At least, that's the way he thought he could spin it.

MOO

 

[Cindizzi]

Should be a ton more IMO.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1793481341251760573

Here's how much an Idaho attorney has to pay after filing a "frivolous pleading" in Chad Daybell's case - East Idaho News

BOISE — A judge has issued an order imposing sanctions on a Mountain Home attorney who filed an error-filled motion asking to intervene in the murder case of Chad Daybell. Terry Ratliff filed the motion on Friday, March 29 at 11:42 p.m., just two days before jury selection was set to begin in...

www.eastidahonews.com

Excerpt from article:

[…]

Ratliff explained he used a template when he filed the motion and blamed the many mistakes on the fact he was nervous.

“This is a template form and I simply forgot to take it off,” Ratliff said. “In the body of the motion, I say I am filing it without permission of the defendant or his counsel.”

Boyce asked who he was representing. Ratliff responded he should have signed the motion as “citizen.”

“You’ve got your name, your Idaho state bar number, your Ratliff Law Office and attorney for defendant. You’re telling me you mistakingly filed something as a citizen and not an attorney?” Boyce asked. “Why were you doing that on a Friday night at almost midnight?”

Ratliff responded that he needed to do something to slow the case down to which Boyce replied, “This trial is scheduled for how many years and you wanted to slow it down the day before it started?”

[…]

 

[Luna20]

Yeah, I think this is on the money.

His image wasn't that of a divorced person. It would have dented his persona if that had happened.

Also, 'predicting' Tammy's death was good for his brand. Showed he really did have a hotline to the future. At least, that's the way he thought he could spin it.

MOO

What I think is funny here (at his expense) is that he was worried about his image being tainted by a divorce but he wasn’t worried about how getting married 3 weeks later would look. Ignorance.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

BBM
Yes.... it's all about the Money
He and LVD needed the money to continue their love fest in Hawaii
No Kids, but collected on their SS money, until they were found buried in Chad's backyard

LVD did not get CV's insurance $$ so they needed Tammy's and Tammy had to die so they could be together.

I find it difficult to believe CD wouldn't have divorced LVD already also, but I think he is thinking with his loin fire/Storm and nothing else matters. She is his "Goddess"
BARF