I wondered that, too. Maybe he just got mixed up. Poor Larry. He's aged a lot in just the past year from the horrible pain and stress of all of this. Thank God he has such a remarkable wife in Kay. She seems like his rock.
It was determined that he had blood clots blocking major blood vessels in both his lungs. No air embolism.
Do you recall if there are texts that are damning enough to indict her for conspiracy to commit murder? She obviously told Alex Brandon's new address but I don't remember her text history.
Good! I didn't know that, either. This should mean that Melani should be in the hot seat.
Not with his record of always missing!
Thanks for that because I don't think I ever followed up on the investigation of his death. You are right that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. It's simply one more thing that makes this case so bizarre. I feel somewhat the same about Joe Ryan's death which might otherwise not seem suspicious outside of the context of everything else.
I understood it was the blood clot kind.
I just had a horrible thought (although I should be used to them in this case). It is believed that when her murderer/s crept into her room Tammy was still awake, playing games on her phone. I am thinking that she saw Chad entering, and her first feeling may have been happiness, thinking that he had come to "kiss and make up", or at least have a friendly chat. But then what a terrible realisation of what was happening, the appalling evil and betrayal. It was just unspeakable
Excellent re-cap/article but... once the ME found blood clots, since the cops were very suspicious about it being murder, don't you think there would have been some testing if there were a drug known to give someone a PE? This so frustrating because his death has murder written all over it - and I want to believe - but I don't see how it's possible.A drug that they did not test for IMO
There is a whole thread, IIRC about this when AxC passed away
The day After they all found out TD's body was being exhumed.
AxC received a blessing from Chad,
Then Chad called ZP and said, "you better get home"
To which ZP called her son to check on Alex
ZP son, who did NOT even know that AxC was his new stepdad and married to his mother, found him on bathroom floor.
Then ZP asked LE if she was a "Suspect" in his death ?!?!?!?!??!?!?!
WHY WOULD SHE ASK THIS ?? Did she substitute something in one of his other meds ???
Then ZP said--
During the interview, Pastenes said Cox did not have much communication with his six siblings. She said she knew Lori and Melani but did not know where Lori lived or her phone number.
“She said the last time she tried texting Lori, the number was disconnected,” according to the report. “She had met Lori a few times before when Lori lived locally. She had not seen Lori since she moved a few months ago. She did not think Lori was married.”
Meanwhile, Pastenes’ daughter arrived at the house and spoke with detectives about her mother and Lori. She described the two as good friends who attended the same congregation of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, according to police reports.
The daughter said both Pastenes and Lori were “preppers” preparing for the end of the world, and her mother met Cox, whom she described as “very religious,” through Lori. The two became engaged, and Pastenes planned to move to Idaho with Cox, Daybell and Pawlowski, according to the daughter. Plans changed when Cox moved in with them around Thanksgiving 2019.
Back at the hospital, a family member showed up and told Pastenes she should not speak to investigators without an attorney.
They went to their home, and Pastenes received a phone call from someone.
“Moments later, Zulema told me she would not talk with me without a lawyer,” an officer wrote in a report.
Well, now that I have re-read everything I just posted, I see it really does not answer your question except the first sentence.
But it is all very suspicious and too much of a coincidence, IMO
New details released on what happened the day Alex Cox died - East Idaho News
GILBERT, Arizona — Authorities released new information Monday regarding the investigation into the death of Lori Vallow Daybell’s brother, Alex Cox. The 59 pages of heavily redacted reports provide more insight about Cox, his death and what those close to him had to say about his life...www.eastidahonews.com
Tammy's murder remains so full of question marks. I do think it was likely she was still awake when it happened but I'm not sure if Chad was there due to what the guy said who worked with Garth. In that version, Garth found Tammy dead at 1AM and Chad was not home. That made me wonder if he left a door open for Alex. OTOH, it would seem like there would be a huge risk of Tammy screaming and being heard if she was awake. We also don't know where she was sleeping. Nothing is clear about that night.
No, I dont think LE was looking at overall picture yet and were not suspicious at that time
I can not get past ZP asking LE at the hospital if she was a suspect.
Alex phone pinging 1 mile down the road at the church grounds that night is just confirmation he was the hit man.
Alex's, oh so convenient, death has always niggled away at me but, like you, I couldn't figure out how anyone could induce a pulmonary embolism.
Like in her Idaho case, Lori didn't waive her right to a speedy trial in Arizona. She wants it over and done with as soon as possible. Afterwards she'll probably be returned to Idaho to serve her sentence there first, although it's not certain.That soon? She was extradited almost 6 months ago and it’s still 2 months until the trial. I’ve been thinking it should have been soonerbut I do think the Aug 1 trial date is still scheduled…doesn’t mean it can’t change again before that though.
I checked some of her dates, all in 2021 (dates for EIN articles):
And it sounds like she took a photo?????????
Can you imagine seeing a second person entering the room after Chad?
Suspicion was raised right after Charles' death, both by police and Charles' family (and Adam). LE testified in this trial about some of the factors they found (delayed 911 call, no sign of CPR, second shot from above). They were just slow to act, thinking they had all the time and that Alex wasn't going anywhere.
