TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #5

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  1. California Sunset

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    ADMIN NOTE:

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    This is one of those exceptions. As this video was already being discussed, we are going to allow it to give members an idea of the area and the route that Jason would have taken. A member has vouched that this individual who produced it is local, and it's not as if investigative facts of the case are being misconstrued.
     
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    If the dispatch call referred to and being discussed is sourced in the scanner thread it is not allowed.

    If it is sourced in approved MSM it can be linked and discussed.
     
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  5. DeDee

    DeDee Well-Known Member

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    Viewed a video by Savannah Brymer on YT regarding Jason Landry. I was so pleased that the number of people learning of Jason is increasing thanks to social media.

    UNSOLVED: Where is Jason Landry?
    42,948 views
    •Apr 1, 2021
     
  6. diggndeeperstill

    diggndeeperstill Well-Known Member

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    I have a question I’ve been meaning to ask those of you that retain knowledge like this or those of you that have been around a lot longer than me. Can you give me examples or prior cases where a statement that has been made by law-enforcement was later proven inaccurate?

    Let me give the background. In this case we have a very big statement by Caldwell County. In it they give a lot of information and particulars. Better yet I’m just going to copy and paste it here and bold the parts that I’m talking about.


    For immediate release:

    The Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office continues the search for 21 year old, Jason Landry, who is considered a missing person.

    The Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office has been partnered with the Texas Rangers and a team of retired Federal Agents/ private investigators in attempting to locate Jason Landry who has been missing since Sunday Dec. 13th, 2020. The Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office has utilized and will continue to utilize assistance from other agencies, including the Caldwell County District Attorney’s Office, Texas State University Police, San Marcos Police Department, Texas Department of Public Safety, and TEXSAR- Texas Search and Rescue.

    Investigators have now gained access to most of Jason’s phone and computer data. Investigators are still waiting for some search warrants from social media/ tech companies to be returned and will immediately process that data upon receipt.

    We are asking the public’s assistance with any information which may further the investigation.

    Investigators believe that Jason left his apartment in San Marcos at 10:55 PM on 12.13.20 with the intent to travel to the Missouri City Texas area, where his parents reside. At 11:05 PM Jason was driving his vehicle on Hwy. 80 and passes under 1-35 in San Marcos. Jason continued to drive south on Hwy. 80 entering Caldwell County at 11:07 PM. At 11:11 PM, Jason was in Martindale Tx, continuing south on Hwy. 80. At 11:15 PM, Jason passes over SH130 on Hwy. 80. At 11:17 PM he was in Fentress entering Prairie Lea at 11:19 PM and the area of Stairtown at 11:21 PM. At 11:24 PM, Jason entered the City of Luling on Hwy. 80. As Jason goes through the intersection of Hackberry St. where Hwy 80 becomes Austin St., Jason quits using the Waze application, and begins using the Snapchat application on his cell. Jason continues on Austin St. to the intersection with U.S. Hwy. 183 (Magnolia Ave.). It is believed that Jason continued straight through that intersection, continuing onto E. Austin. At this intersection, Jason’s digital footprint essentially stops. It is believed that he continues on E. Austin onto Spruce St. which turns into Salt Flat Road. Jason’s vehicle is found abandoned in the 2300 block of Salt Flat Road at 31 minutes after Midnight on 12.14.20.

    The approximate 67 minute window, between the last data footprint at Austin and Magnolia and the discovery of the crash scene, is what investigators are focusing on. Jason’s phone had cell signal and was powered on, investigators are still trying to determine why it doesn’t appear to have been used since the area of Magnolia Ave. and Austin St.

    Jason’s vehicle was found abandoned, lights on, with the keys in the ignition, and the front passenger side door locked. The vehicle collision is a single vehicle collision, most likely from over correcting on the gravel road, and spinning off the roadway. The rear driver’s side corner made initial contact with a tree on the east side of the roadway, propelling the front driver’s side into another tree and barbed wire fence. There is no evidence that any other vehicle or outside force was involved in the collision. All of the evidence collected leads investigators to be confident that the contact with the trees and fence line was the only contact the vehicle sustained. The rear window of the vehicle was broken as a result of the impact with a tree. The volunteer firefighter, who discovered Jason’s abandoned vehicle, did not enter the vehicle. The Trooper who responded to the scene, almost an hour later, also did not enter the vehicle. The vehicle was towed from the scene to an impound yard, where the next morning, Jason’s father, the registered owner of the vehicle, entered the vehicle through the unlocked driver’s side door, and discovered Jason’s cell phone between the driver’s seat and the center console. It is unknown if the phone fell as Jason was operating the vehicle through the intersection of Austin St and Magnolia Ave. or during the collision. Jason’s father collected the phone and attempted to locate the scene of the collision. Upon arrival to the area, approximately 900 feet from the collision scene, Jason’s father found articles of his sons clothing (shirt, shorts, socks, underwear, slide sandals and a wristwatch) in the roadway. Those clothes were collected by his father and later released to investigators who have processed those clothes for any evidentiary findings. A single blood smear was detected on the clothes. This blood spot was small and was not indicative of serious bodily injury. It is possible that an injury causing the blood spot occurred as Jason was exiting the vehicle and came into contact with the barbed wire fence or foliage. Upon a review of the Troopers body and dash cameras from his initial response to the crash scene, investigators know that approximately 900 feet from the collision scene, the following articles, belonging to Jason, were discovered in the roadway; a backpack, a ball cap, a plastic bag of personal toiletries, and a tumbler with his deceased beta fish in it. These findings were north of the clothing, recovered the next morning by Jason’s father. Jason’s backpack contained his wallet, a usable amount of marijuana, a laptop computer, gaming equipment, and a few personal effects. Any report stating that the backpack was “filled” with narcotics, is inaccurate. The small amount of marijuana has been seized and is being held. There remains a possibility that the marijuana was combined with an unknown hallucinogenic substance. Those findings are pending. It is believed that the clothing discovered in the roadway was the clothing Jason was wearing prior to the collision occurring. There is no indication that the clothing was removed under duress or threat. There was cold weather during the time Jason is believed to have gone missing, with the low temperature being recorded around 36 degrees F with a high of 43 degrees F.

    On Monday, Jason’s father received the backpack from DPS (without the seized marijuana) and released the phone to DPS Troopers when efforts began to access the device and data. DPS continued being lead on the search and initial investigative efforts, until Friday, 12/18/20 when the Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office assumed lead. This office has been working with various outside agencies and organizations since assuming lead investigative responsibility.

    Jason’s vehicle has been processed for DNA and any blood evidence with the assistance of the Texas Rangers. There was no evidence of blood inside the vehicle.

    There is no evidence that Jason was traveling to meet with or had communicated intent to meet with anyone in or around Luling.

    Jason’s father, mother and family members have been extremely helpful to investigators. Jason’s ex-girlfriend, who resides out of state, has also been fully cooperative in assisting investigators. Their cooperation has been essential and appreciated. They are not suspects or persons of interest and are not believed to be withholding any information.

    The Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office will continue to utilize all available methods, techniques and resources to obtain information that will assist us in locating Jason. At this time, there is no evidence that an unknown person of interest is involved in this incident and investigators believe that there is no threat to our community. Investigators believe that this is an isolated event. The Sheriff’s Office and investigators will continue to aggressively seek out evidence in this missing person incident. The Sheriff’s Office will continue to work with Texas Search and Rescue and other search organizations in an effort to discover any evidence of Jason’s location and additional searches are being planned and organized. Investigators at the Sheriff’s Office do not specialize in search and rescue, and defer to the subject matter experts and specialists in these endeavors. Investigators have reviewed hundreds of hours of video from cameras in and around Luling, none of which have produced any evidentiary findings. Members of the public, who have game cameras on private property, or private surveillance video from the area, are encouraged to review that as soon as possible. You may contact our office for assistance in reviewing video, if needed.

    Please review the most current missing person flyer, with an updated picture showing Jason within an hour of him going missing.

    Anyone with information is encouraged to contact any of the following investigators:

    Detective Ferry with the Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office, 512-398-6777 Ext. 4516 or by email: Jeff.Ferry@co.caldwell.tx.us

    Investigator Abel Pena, with PM Investigations by phone: (210) 954-1476 or by email: pminvestigations9221@gmail.com

    Investigator Tuleta Copeland, with Leverage Investigations at Justice@LeverageInvestigations.com



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    I asked that question because to me the only explanation for what happened to Jason according to Caldwell County is:

    1. He’s was missed by search efforts after succumbing to injuries or the elements on his own.

    Thoughts? Examples?
     
  7. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    Did the Caldwell Co Sheriff's office statement twice use the phrase "approximately 900 ft from the collision scene" to describe both the clothing/watch/shoes AS WELL AS the backpack/fish/etc... simply out of convenience? I'm just being picky but if we had not seen the trooper's body/dash cam image wouldn't we assume ALL the items were located in the same general spot (approximately 900 ft from the collision)... when, in fact, each set of items were located in opposite directions?

    I feel as if it's possibly important to have the two separate areas noted, but why I feel this way... I have no clue. I'm not trying to suggest a negative effort by LE as (two different areas) possibly doesn't matter.

    Caldwell County Sheriff's Office

    Also, when watching a video (recently provided by a local) there was mention of a jacket (of unknown origin) being found near the water... can someone elaborate?? TIA!
     
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  8. happyday

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    Maybe. But if the watch really was found laying flat it says to me there was an altered state of mind. It doesn’t say to me that he was running from someone or injured and in distress. If someone staged it, wouldn’t they just throw it all in the road haphazardly? That seems logical to me. To lay it out is a thoughtful thing to do but completely inappropriate for the situation. Mostly I think of an altered state.
     
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    You’re right that we wouldn’t know if he had taken it, but I do think it could give us a strong possibility that he did and that’s why he disappeared. Also if we knew what the drug was that it was laced with, it could tell us if he could have gone a lot further than if he had a head injury. It wouldn’t solve this, but I think it could help.
     
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    I imagine both SAR teams would have factored it into their searches- all possibilities while searching a vast range of territory.
    But they never found him.
     
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    Yes placed in that position as a deliberate gesture by someone other than Jason. Jason may have put them there on his own or at gun point. I think the possibility also exists that someone drove by and offered him help, took him down the road, committed a crime, returned and threw his stuff around so that they weren't in possession of it and disposed of the body all in 67 minutes. Just saying it's a possibility MOO
     
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    While this certainly could explain Jason's disappearance if someone picked him up in a ploy to offer help but instead conked him over the head, made a mess in the road with his stuff, then successfully hid Jason's body from all searches.

    How many people driving along this isolated strip in Luling would see Jason during the appropriate time and not be fearful of his perplexing paradoxical undressing?

    Found a case where paradoxical undressing was associated with being brutally bullied
    "In the absence of hypothermia-related signs and toxicological findings the case was considered to be a homicide. Police investigation led to the conviction of a man who confessed to having kicked and hit the victim and forced him to take off his clothes in a humiliation-related scenario."
    Suspected paradoxical undressing in a homicide case - PubMed
     
  14. kittythehare

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    I often wondered whether he had experienced bullying.
    The case for paradoxical undressing was dismissed in my mind because he had merely walked 900 feet carrying a backpack of heavy gear when he started undressing.

    Now, an acquired brain injury could bring about a sudden sharp rise in temperature but IMO wouldn't lead to full undressing, pain and heat is mainly experienced in the head, at least that was my experience.
     
  15. kittythehare

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    It's date specific.
    Open to be changed if new information becomes available.
    Is that what you're asking?
     
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    I've seen Missing 411 but may never understand how people seemingly vanish.

    Could organ trafficking somehow be involved here? Supply is low and demand is high. Jason was only 30 minutes or so away from the safety of his apartment when this happened. Was he followed, then duped?

    Reviewed images posted for Jason on the Caldwell County Sheriff's FB page. The series of images, from November 2020, prior to those related to Jason's missing person's case are quite strange and downright chilling. One eerie photo shows a cattle crossing guard as we've seen on SFR. Wonder what that story's all about...
    Facebook


    Please call Detective Ferry if you have any information about 21yo Jason Landry.
    517-398-6777 ext 4516
     
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    Trafficking is, of course, a possibility. He could have been duped by an acquaintance he considered a friend to go to a specific place.

    The farm with the cattle grid has another entrance without a cattle grid.
    Cattle grids are manageable , even in bare feet if one sticks to the sides.
    We explored this in either thread 2 or 3,not sure.
     
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    Just to clarify I was suggesting that he got picked up and was fully dressed carrying his backpack and other items very soon after the crash by someone offering to help him. MOO
     
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    Or somebody pointed a gun at him and issued orders...
     

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