TX - Nichol Olsen, 37, & 2 daughters, found shot dead inside mansion, Bexar County, 10 Jan 2019 #2

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  • #841
This statement was prior to medical examiners ruling.
Correct.

The Newsweek article is dated 1/11/19 AT 4:26 AM, less than 24 hours after CW’s 911 call (“Police said that Olsen's boyfriend Charles Wheeler, who lives at the home with the woman, called 911 at about 9.04am and said he had just arrived home to find the bodies“).
Two teen girls and woman in her 30s 'all from the same family' found shot dead in Texas mansion | Daily Mail Online

The Denton Record-Chronicle was published the same day the bodies were found.

BCSO did a live feed of Sheriff Salazar’s ad hoc press conference at 12:30 pm on Jan. 10, in which he shared:

“We do believe that at this point, at least two of them appear to be murders. Of course, the medical examiner will make the final determination. It’s just too early to tell on the third person if that is a murder or a suicide. We’ll let the medical examiner take a look at it” (50”);

The BCSO CSI unit and their mobile crime lab are at the scene (1’05”);

Homicide is speaking to the male occupant of the residence (1’17”);

The young female victims, preliminarily, LE believes they are the victims of foul play (1’35”);

A reporter says, “So, the older woman, that’s the one you are not clear about right now,” to which the sheriff answers, “Yes, sir” (1’49”);

The sheriff hasn’t been to the crime scene himself (2’20”);

He hasn’t spoken to the male resident, but as he understands, the detectives are speaking to him (5’10”);

He requests that the neighbors check their security camera footage between the night before into the morning and if they see anything out of the ordinary, contact LE (5’30”);

He doesn’t know whether the residence is equipped with a security system or surveillance cameras, but if there is, LE will be reviewing it; they will also be canvassing the area to see if neighbors have any (6’20”)

Also, it was only three hours before the press conference that NO and the girls were pronounced deceased:

Bexar County Medical Examiner's Office and Toxicology Laboratory
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So at the time of the press conference, the sheriff had very limited information.

I was just wondering why he seemed less sure, IMO, about NO’s possible manner of death, compared to the girls’.
 
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  • #842
San Antonio Express News? And it says subscribe to read.

LOL. Sorry … was midst reading my local rag when I posted. The CH is my local.
 
  • #843
Langley is the Air Force Base.
Langley Air Force Base is not in Langley, VA (it's down near Norfolk). Langley, VA is where the CIA is located.

The OP I was responding to stated FBI headquarters was in Langley. It's not, it's in DC.

Just to clarify.
 
  • #844
IMO something they "saw" at the scene prevented them from announcing suicide right off the bat, even though they were able to say homicide on the girls. Perhaps body, weapon, or wound placement?
Rsbm.
I interpreted it the opposite way, that they saw something that precluded them from stating all three were homicides. I would expect that upon seeing three deceased persons, the first thought would go first to homicide, and then to suicide if the circumstances indicated such. Apparently very early it was obvious to investigators it was not a triple homicide, which was of course confirmed by the ME. MOO.
 
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  • #846
Could this be the episode you are talking about?

“The 2001 death of Pam Shelly in Cuero, Texas . . . .

Actually it was Season 3 Episode 21 "Ben Cooper is found dead of an apparent suicide by his wife, Samantha Price." :)
 
  • #847
Rsbm.
I interpreted it the opposite way, that they saw something that precluded them from stating all three were homicides. I would expect that upon seeing three deceased persons, the first thought would go first to homicide, and then to suicide if the circumstances indicated such. Apparently very early it was obvious to investigators it was not a triple homicide, which was of course confirmed by the ME. MOO.
Not according to the many quotes above by the sheriff. NO's cause of death is not finally determined yet.
 
  • #848
Not according to the many quotes above by the sheriff. NO's cause of death is not finally determined yet.
It had not been finally determined at the time of the interview IMO. That interview happened before the ME determined suicide as NO‘s COD.
 
  • #849
It had not been finally determined at the time of the interview IMO. That interview happened before the ME determined suicide as NO‘s COD.
Well, with all due respect, I am just saying that the Sheriff & FBI are still investigating. So, they may agree or may not, IMHOO.
 
  • #850
Well, with all due respect, I am just saying that the Sheriff & FBI are still investigating. So, they may agree or may not, IMHOO.
I thought you were referring to the Sheriff‘s quotes posted in #844 and made it sound as if this is today‘s status. Did you not? Then I am sorry.
 
  • #851
I thought you were referring to the Sheriff‘s quotes posted in #844 and made it sound as if this is today‘s status. Did you not? Then I am sorry.
Don't worry about it. We're cool.
 
  • #852
The medical examiner can only explain how the bodies looked and how they died. They cannot investigate entirely who did the shooting right?

Isnt that the job of investigators to identify who did the actual shootings?
Yes and I have no doubt those investigators are confident in the conclusion NO was responsible for the murders of her children.

The final determination usually boils down to test results. There will be GSR, shell casings, fingerprints on weapon, toxicology reports....and all of that testing can be done by highly trained professionals at the Bexar County's Criminal Investigation Lab.

All the Sheriff's office seems to be doing with the help of the FBI is confirming CW's alibi. But even if it can't be confirmed, there will be no way to prosecute him if none of the forensic evidence implicates him.

JMO

Criminal Investigation Laboratory | Bexar County, TX - Official Website
 
  • #853
For those of you who've actively followed more cases than I have...... are there other cases similar to this where it appears based on ME findings to be m/s, but they continued investigating? This case is quite curious to me....

TIA
 
  • #854
For those of you who've actively followed more cases than I have...... are there other cases similar to this where it appears based on ME findings to be m/s, but they continued investigating? This case is quite curious to me....

TIA
I’ve been around awhile, I don’t recall any. But here are a few recent m/s with mom as the culprit:
Mom who killed 4 adopted children, self kept ‘loving home,’ sheriff says


Cops: Mom who killed kids, self revealed motive in texts


Mom sets self on fire, killing herself and twin daughters


Police say Wilmington mom kills child, self in shooting - WWAY TV
 
  • #855

Thank you! I can wrap my head around m/s, it hurts my heart, but I know there's precedence out there. Its the ongoing investigation that has me confused (I guess that's the word I want, but maybe not). I appreciate that they're investigating, just seems interesting I guess. I have no strong feelings or opinions about what happened, just been following quietly and wondering.
 
  • #856
For those of you who've actively followed more cases than I have...... are there other cases similar to this where it appears based on ME findings to be m/s, but they continued investigating? This case is quite curious to me....

TIA
I have never heard of a similar case involving multiple fatalities and that is why the statements of the Sheriff are quite curious.

JMO
 
  • #857
For those of you who've actively followed more cases than I have...... are there other cases similar to this where it appears based on ME findings to be m/s, but they continued investigating? This case is quite curious to me....

TIA
In my experience, the investigation does continue for a time. They want to document circumstances, motive, etc. What makes this different is the Sheriff giving daily interviews on every media outlet in Texas.
 
  • #858
In my experience, the investigation does continue for a time. They want to document circumstances, motive, etc. What makes this different is the Sheriff giving daily interviews on every media outlet in Texas.
When was his latest, please?
 
  • #859
For those of you who've actively followed more cases than I have...... are there other cases similar to this where it appears based on ME findings to be m/s, but they continued investigating? This case is quite curious to me....

TIA
I’ve been around awhile, I don’t recall any. But here are a few recent m/s with mom as the culprit:
Mom who killed 4 adopted children, self kept ‘loving home,’ sheriff says


Cops: Mom who killed kids, self revealed motive in texts


Mom sets self on fire, killing herself and twin daughters


Police say Wilmington mom kills child, self in shooting - WWAY TV

Why Syracuse mom killed her 2 daughters still unknown

Edit to add last entry (found by @squid )
 
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