Article said "driver" of the vehicle (referring to the Altima) and wanting to talk to "them." That sounds like 2 people in the Altima, unles he mis-spoke... Quite possible.
Excellent point. I definitely think they were outside or near the church before entering and I wonder how long it took them to break into the door.
I swear I remember hearing the asst chief say in the press conference something to the effect of "it is obviously one person" meaning the one seen on video. IIRC, he then said something about not ruling out another perp (not seen on video). Of course now I can't find that comment. Does anyone remember it? MOO all over the place.
I am wondering about this "couple of minutes" statement for how long Nissan was in gun store parking lot.
I feel as though it were left open for interpretation and not a literal 2 minutes as to let the owner know "hey, we saw you and we know you sat there before driving off."
To a woman, a couple of minutes can mean 30-45 minutes when it comes to getting ready.
To a man, a couple of minutes means more than 2 when they're hanging out with their friends. "I'll be home in a couple of minutes."
As far as the church's cameras, I feel it is closed circuit and tapes only reviewed when something happens, but not on a regular basis. And that is why I think they didn't know about the outside cameras not working; IMO, low crime area, not 100% need for cameras to be monitored 24/7.
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I know that I personally learned to copy paste stuff in a word doc with link, because those rascals will update, and change stuff on ya * also copy date/time. JMHO could be what happen there. Seen it happen time and time again.
Maybe perp went to church super early, broke windows on several doors. Opened doors and then left to see if cops came, then came back after coast was clear.
So, 4:16 seen DRIVING in and 4:18 ( having walked to front door with key) ENTERING the church ? We do know that church entry was church camera at front door. DRIVING video is probably gun shop video, or else if church video, all campers were seen driving in, as well. JMO Also, if driving video is gun shop video all campers were seen too, but not necessarily perp, if they parked at north side of church.
Re: Batbrat post with photos and measurements (T20, p41, #604): what a great post!
LE press conf Friday May 20 stated Swatperp was now estimated to be 5'2 to 5'7" - and I agree with you (Batbrat) that the 5'2" seems a bit low and the range unnecessarily broad (especially since they obviously could get in there and measure those doors). TX building code has nonresidential or commercial doors interior doors at 7'0" or 84" (OR, less commonly, 6'8" or 80"). I'm not sure what to make of LE's 5'2" measurement except, as TeaTime has said, maybe they are more interested in putting the squeeze on their POI than in relaying accurate information. I really think with having access to the site that they would (and possibly DO) have this narrowed down, more.
Thread 1 deductions about Swatperp's height were based on TX building codes (without onsite measuring) and using 84" tall doors came up with anywhere from 5'3" to 5'8" - though the lower end of that range was simply visually deduced, and not as dependent upon measurements:
P15 #13 - Estimation using TX code door ht (rough eyeballing) = about 5'3":
Bldng code TX - nonresidential doors usually 84" - in photo perp only comes up 3/4 way. Looks more like 5'3" (3/4 pf 84" = 63").
P34 #502 - Estimation using fire extinguisher box = 5'7" to 5'8" tops:
P36 #529 - Estimation using door handle placement = 5'6":
Why did the swat perp choose the church to make his/her kill? If the mission was just to kill Missy, why didn't they just pass her on the highway & fire a shot into her truck & kill her on what was almost very certainly a deserted street at that time of day? Or shoot her as she pulled out of her driveway? I know we have talked about the likelihood of a gun being traced. However, the gun must be found before it can be traced. It would be as easy to dispose of gun as it would be to dispose of bloody clothing. IMO, the killer wanted the kill to be up close & personal for whatever reason. It would not surprise me if the killer told Missy why he/she was killing her. Also, SP was also confident that they had the strength to overpower Missy if she fought for her life.
All is JMO, IMO,MOO.
Yes, and perp would have been able to see police activity at the church from the SWFA parking lot at 2am.
Personally, I am not gonna try to read too much into it. I do not know how long (but I like you assume since the beginning) but this is an ongoing investigation. They didn't have to even release it. Thing I have found that when read too much into it .. you get tunnel vision from being in so many rabbit holes. Been there done that, have scratches from the briar patch ... It could be either we just don't know. I don't know who was driving that vehicle at 2 a.m. on April 18, 2016 so no way I am any help to them there. * or any way really. They have the best of the best helping. They don't need our sleuth ideas. They have the actual information needed to work through to send the case to DA. Its just puzzle work for me.
Speaking hypothetically, if I was a burglar about to break in I'd be worried about possible cameras in the parking lot catching my car number plate & a burglar alarm going off after I break in. Luckily for him these 2 things were either not working or there at all. If he had gone to the effort of putting together a fake SWAT outfit I'm sure he would have thought about these details. How did he know these were not working? It's rare for any building left unattended at night not to be alarmed. Is Midlothian such a safe area that businesses & homes are not alarmed?
Thanks! I knew I was not the only one who saw a wall. I can see it both ways. To see it as Hwy 287, each side of the divided highway is also separately elevated, with a grassy media depression in between. The bottom of the 'wall' is the lowest point in the depression, the 'wall' is the far upside of the median. The south bound lanes of the 287 are elevated above the sloped gray part of the SWFA driveway which is where the taillights reflected on the water. .... Your great point is that there is a camera mounted not on a pole but at a level to take a photo of every license plate entering or exting the SWFA driveway, which agrees with what poster texasgirl2 and her husband saw in their drive-through of the SWFA property. .... Does anyone else see a less-reflective whiteout area with a heart-shaped top over the license plate? And only the two bottom corner edges of the plate are visible beyond this whiteout area? IMO It looks like either LE whited out the plate number, or the driver put something over the plate.The Altima photo seems to have been taken at a low height, almost at eye level. Not from a pole. IMO It is important where the Altima was parked for those few minutes. There is a brick wall with white trim around the back of SWFA which is where I thought the photo was taken. I'm not seeing wheels turned or the road stripe... Not yet anyhow. I keep staring at it trying to see the road. Here is a view from SWFA to the church in the distance (top left). IMO this could where the first PR mentioned having captured a photo of a car taken from a distance. This video starts off showing surroundings of their store. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x8otfKXGMgQ
I wonder how much they allowed for the boots and helmet? A couple of inches?
I kind of doubt they entered the church much before 3:50AM. The cameras would have activated sooner. The suspect could have been out side the church at an earlier time though.