Found Deceased UK - Anthony Knott, 33, last seen at a pub in Lewes, Sussex, 20 Dec 2019 #2

[RobinCAL]

Concern for firefighter missing after night out

The partner of a firefighter who went missing on a work night out said his disappearance was "completely out of character".
Police in Sussex say they are "increasingly concerned" about Anthony Knott, who has been missing since Friday.
The 33-year-old from Orpington, was last seen at a pub in Lewes, with a group of 12 London firefighters.

Mr Knott was due home at 02:00 GMT on Saturday, and Ms Otto said he was "very adamant" he would be home in time as she had to leave for work at 03:00.
The group of firefighters were moving between various pubs, but he was last seen at 19:30 in The Lamb in Fisher Street.

Mr Knott, who is 5ft 8ins (1.73m) tall, was wearing a black long sleeve top, dark denim coat, dark denim jeans and black shoes.

He has two tattoos, a Tottenham Hotspur logo on his arm, and a wolf.

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[guiser]

From my understanding of the map though he'd have passed Waitrose before he got to the river, so there would be no need to continue on to Tesco. Or is there another route to Tesco via the river that you're thinking of?

Lots of speculation here but........ if he came past the Elly and down West Street (A2029), missed/passed the Fisher Street turn and ended up at the junction to Market Street he may well have caught sight of the Tesco clock but not seen Waitrose because Waitrose is kind of offset from the road and obscured by Chaula's indian restaurant and a couple of huge conker trees. If he could see it, it'd be the side of it which I believe is unmarked, the only illuminated sign being right on the front.
So - he goes down Market Street still looking for a shop but there's not much up there. so he retraces his steps back to the junction.
If he then walked down West Street/Phoenix Causeway (the only way to cross the river) then yes he would definitely have seen Waitrose, but if I was stood on that junction and knew where I'd seen the Tesco sign but didn't know there was a river in between, my intuition would take me down North Street because Phoenix Causeway doesn't take you in the direction of Tesco.
There are multiple places along North Street where you'd take a right hand turn thinking you were heading towards Tesco, but which in actual fact would only take you down to the river.

 

[guiser]

I know what you mean. Not sure if I'm allowed to share these photos but they show what the riverbank looked like the following morning, apparently. Imagine that at night it could be easy to think you're on solid ground/grass only to find out you're a lot nearer to the river than you think.

I believe the building/tower in the distance is Tesco?

Yes that's Tesco.
From the junction of West Street (A2029) and Market Street (last cctv sighting) it's only about 300 metres to Tesco as the crow flies.

 

[guiser]

I think if he was heading towards Waitrose his path would not take him near the river or the car park. But I can see its proximity behind Waitrose and he could have come to the river afterwards. I'm just having a hard time understanding what his purpose would have been venturing further beyond Waitrose. Even the bus stop was at the front. It is however very close to Eastgate Wharf, which is one of the heavier crime-hotspots noted on the police map earlier today.

It's mostly a 'crime hotspot' because shoplifting offences from Waitrose are included in the figures for it.

 

[LadyL]

View attachment 223238 this was the river the morning after at high tide one slip on the muddy sloped embankment and your in and away. That's about 8ft deeper than it is normally. there's a area of flat grass land that's normally dry and walkable on before the rivers natural course.

wow
that does not look safe

 

[BodyOfWater]

<modsnip> I have spent the past week perusing the available evidence & punditry, but more importantly the local output.

By trade I am a bookmaker & without trying to come across as being disrespectful my own view has dramatically changed mainly from homing in on the geography, weather conditions that evening & probable path of Anthony.

I lay odds all day long & mathematically on the whole the odds prevail.

That said I would prefer to be wrong in this instance but if I was laying odds I would say there was a 1.16 (odds-on) chance Anthony had met his demise with a body of water whether unintentional or foul play.

There is of course an outside chance Anthony is still alive whether being held or hiding out & that’s what makes cases such as this have that possibility, because there are baffling occcurances & not everything should have the obvious outcome.

 

[BodyOfWater]

wow
that does not look safe

Indeed it’s a chilling picture, but if my eyes aren’t deceiving me the actual footpath is still clear & is even well lit! I can’t see Anthony making a momentous mistake here even if he had stepped on the grass & given some of it has a barrier.

 

[LadyL]

Indeed it’s a chilling picture, but if my eyes aren’t deceiving me the actual footpath is still clear & is even well lit! I can’t see Anthony making a momentous mistake here even if he had stepped on the grass & given some of it has a barrier.

scares me to look at it
I wouldn't trust myself to walk down that path safely, esp. if I had been drinking

 

[BodyOfWater]

BBM
But what would be the merits ? There's a pay-off to be had by every action and I'm not seeing what his pay-off would be , especially with an action as extreme as that . You're not escaping anything if you're running away with an unholy mess on your conscience .
On a more basic level , it's a way overly-complex scenario for someone who has a pretty straightforward life . Simplest explanation , an' all that , and simpler solutions to problems are the ones that are generally sort .

This is the thing though, we don’t know if his life is or was straightforward. Perhaps even his fiancé was unaware. I say that because there is a mystery. Sadly though this mystery brings mysery.

Talking about other MISPER cases, reasons some had faked their own disappearance was simply because of their hidden sexuality, some even had families. I am not suggesting or hinting that this is the case with Anthony but am suggesting that there could be a variety of reasons why someone could fake their departure. I see little evidence to suggest this in Anytony’s case though but hopefully fresh information will be furnished accordingly.

 

[BodyOfWater]

Could have reported his passport as missing and got another one...

I travel on organised coach trips to France frequently. Only once out of say 50 crossings has customs boarded the coach & sought passports.

 

[Rosegold68]

Lucy has his passport, she was asked this on the group page early on

I’m still going for a hook up/meet up with a stranger via an app/messaging. Planned meet up gone wrong somehow. Bit extreme but that’s from reading elsewhere in this site!

 

[mattywoo]

Lots of speculation here but........ if he came past the Elly and down West Street (A2029), missed/passed the Fisher Street turn and ended up at the junction to Market Street he may well have caught sight of the Tesco clock but not seen Waitrose because Waitrose is kind of offset from the road and obscured by Chaula's indian restaurant and a couple of huge conker trees. If he could see it, it'd be the side of it which I believe is unmarked, the only illuminated sign being right on the front.
So - he goes down Market Street still looking for a shop but there's not much up there. so he retraces his steps back to the junction.
If he then walked down West Street/Phoenix Causeway (the only way to cross the river) then yes he would definitely have seen Waitrose, but if I was stood on that junction and knew where I'd seen the Tesco sign but didn't know there was a river in between, my intuition would take me down North Street because Phoenix Causeway doesn't take you in the direction of Tesco.
There are multiple places along North Street where you'd take a right hand turn thinking you were heading towards Tesco, but which in actual fact would only take you down to the river.

That seems possible. There was also the footage of a male with a similar walk to AK walking past the garage on North Street. The unique gait was there, but the jacket seemed too long. I think it was said on a Lewes forum that the family had discounted this as not him. I guess him accessing the river off of North St cannot be confirmed because of lack of footage. I did think more footage would emerge after New Year, as many businesses re-opened and reviewed their CCTV.

 

[Tortoise]

It's mostly a 'crime hotspot' because shoplifting offences from Waitrose are included in the figures for it.

That isn't the case. The Eastgate Wharf and Waitrose carpark figures for reported crimes in October and November 2019 totalled 26.

4 of those were shoplifting, in two months. The other crimes reported were -

Violence and sexual offences (includes offences against the person such as common assaults, grievous bodily harm and sexual offences) = 5

Theft from the person = 2

Possession of a weapon = 1

Anti-social behaviour = 8

Burglary = 1

Vehicle crime (includes theft from a vehicle) = 1

Public order = 2

Criminal damage and arson = 1

Other crime = 1

Crime map for Lewes Town Centre, Lewes Castle and Lewes Priory, Sussex Police - Police.uk

 

[Alyce]

[bbm]

please link this info

As SheCarrot said, the cctv from inside the Lamb has not been shown in msm.

Here's a link to the Sky article with the friend - I have rewatched the vid clip and I think it has been edited/shortened but there is text in the article, where he mentions AK looking anxious.


The only suggestion was that he might have gone outside to get some cigarettes and gone outside because he looked a bit anxious."

'He's vanished': Plea from best friend of missing firefighter

 

[motherofdaughters]

How does she know if they have not found his phone or him.

Or the recipient of that call/text has come forward and said it’s them.
I’d assume the police have much more information than they’re releasing into the public domain.

 

[motherofdaughters]

Lucy has his passport, she was asked this on the group page early

I’m still going for a hook up/meet up with a stranger via an app/messaging. Planned meet up gone wrong somehow. Bit extreme but that’s from reading elsewhere in this site!

IF he had got a new passport, I’m sure this information would also have been available.

 

[motherofdaughters]

Bolded By Me - if you are replying to someone's comment or posting up details from msm ( main stream media ) you might want to highlight a certain part of the comment.
Saying BBM shows that you are the person highlighting the post, not the newspaper.

Thank you.

 

[Lass from Yorkshire]

I’m afraid this is another tragic case where we find him in the water. Scares me to death how easily and far too regularly this happens.

 

[mattywoo]

It does look well-lit and the river quite still. IE if someone fell in they could possibly get out easily.

However, the river seen in this image would have a very strong current, that is not noticeable from this photo.

Could someone have got close to the river on the other bank, opposite where this shows? Cant remember what is there or if there is another path or even access down there.

 

[LewesLady]

There is no proper footpath the other side of the river. Surely CCTV would have picked him up if he had gone from market street to the causeway?