UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #14

[Ruthbullock]

so can you explain why it says that in that source that someone posted again in thread 13 when he is a Gunner in the RAF Regiment etc etc - as everyone knows.
No point getting aerated about "15 weeks in" etc - how many new posters do you think will join in this next week alone?

There was a msm report that stated that he was military police- it must be a typo (but was jumped on), wrong uniform for a start!

 

[Coach]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-38536126

 

[lusijay]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-38536126

Interesting. That makes me think that they believe someone went with C and his phone, towards BM that morning. I do wonder how long it will take them to find other phones that had the same pings, as he mentioned. I thought you'd have to have the phone numbers first, but perhaps mobile networks can just do a simple search which will throw up which users pinged which masts, at which times. xx

 

[jessie]

Thankyou.

Jessie, do you have a link from your research as above for human hypothermia rates at somewhere around 10'C or are you meaning just in relation to the temperature of water? ( ie. a hypothesis that's only applicable to an accidental drowning?)

Not to hand, but I'll see what I can find if you feel it is relevant.

For someone to be affected by hypothermia they do not need to be in very low temps though.

Alcohol can/does lower the body temperature enough for it to happen.

I was in no way referencing lowered body temperature being caused because of contact with water - though for someone already suffering hypothermia immersion in water would exacerbate loss of body heat.

Oddly people suffering hypothermia often remove clothing when they should do the opposite !

 

[studrochan]

... but perhaps mobile networks can just do a simple search which will throw up which users pinged which masts, at which times. xx

I would guess that they could do this within a matter of minutes, but are prevented by data protection laws from doing anything with the information.

 

[bbyblueeyez]

Hello all still here and tried also to find a link to the homeless guy as I also remember seeing this Northern Light so you wasn't on your own but Shiresleuth is right things seemed to have been deleted ive looked back on here and found some mentions but no link sorry guys that's all ive found. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...e-23-Bury-St-Edmunds-24-September-2016/page86..... Hello to all new ones there seems to be a lot which always great to have fresh eyes and ideas. Greater than ive noticed how hard you have worked on this case with and kept us all focused thank you so much. The hypothermia part has been talked about before also alcohol brings the body temperature down anyway and it was reported to be a quite mild night that night doesn't change the fact he could of suffered hypothermia at some point. Midsummer you are FAB I just wanted you to no that keep at it I no its a very difficult case XX

 

[Coach]

I have just watched the CCTV over and over again of when he was last seen and I have read the posts about him possibly running etc. If he had not long wakened up, could he have been quite cold (hence the little run, which could also be a stumble)? Lots of people see things differently, some think he is going into the HS to meet someone and others think he is going for a wee. I have just played it again and to me he looks around and he is heading to the bins. A cardboard bin would be much cleaner to sleep in than a normal rubbish bin.

 

[Miss_French]

There was a msm report that stated that he was military police- it must be a typo (but was jumped on), wrong uniform for a start!

There was also one that said Corrie was a pilot, that happens a lot when you mention the RAF. Maybe the confusion was because the RAF Police HQ is also at Honington. Or just the media being rubbish.

 

[Dimps]

It's hard to believe that he has walked home because as far as we know:

-He could not walk out of that area without being seen on CCTV. One person (I think a relation of Corrie's) was on the news and said something along the lines of - it is possible to walk out, but he'd have to position himself very well and basically he didn't think that likely at all.

-I don't believe there has been anybody that has come forward that has been sure they saw Corrie after he disappeared off camera? No sightings?

-It is a ruddy long way home. It is PITCH BLACK the vast majority of the way. You could not walk home.....you would not be able to see a thing, you would end up walking into a ditch.....which may even explain it, but surely a guy in the army could get himself out a ditch.

-I can't really see how he could accidently get killed on the walk home. Maybe a hit and run, taking the body with them. In Great Livermere, which is a village on the most likely route (IMO) that he would have walked home, there is a lake of some kind. It seems people sometimes end up going missing and they are in water, but I can't understand how someone just gets lost walks into water and drowns. There is also a weird looking sandy area with lines running towards a centre point - what is that place?


I understand he may have got a lift part of the way home, but still not sure how you die on that journey home, or where you could be dropped off that is lit up enough to walk home.....I don't see any roads with lights on them around there.


People have commented that they want people to go off facts etc, which I understand......

So going off facts.....walking home - does it make sense?

Personally I would more or less rule it out.

First time poster, please be kind!

As ex military myself, I can't believe Corrie attempted that long walk back to Honington at 0330hrs approximately. MSM reported, the homeless man who Corrie allegedly gave money to (but he was also reported to be skint and that was the reason given for his change of plans that night?) stated that CM told him he planned to walk home to Base.

In my opinion this is ruled out because by the time he got to camp, he would have to be prepared to turn right round again to go back to pick up his illegally parked car, before any charges/possible clamping were enforced at 0800hrs?

I am also surprised that the rules regarding keeping dogs in the junior ranks accommodation have been so relaxed - there are shift workers needing their rest during the day and day workers needing theirs at night, and IMO a lonely barking dog whilst their owner is on duty, wouldn't go down well when I was single and living in the Block.

IMO he hung about BSE hoping to sober up enough to drive his car back to camp himself, and not planning to meet anyone.

What happens next? Who knows? If you had to kill a few hours and sober up enough to try to get your car moved from the spot you left it in, would you head to a 24 hour supermarket, freshen up, and keep warm for a few hours, do we know if any known associates of his live en route to any supermarkets - who he may have inadvertently bumped in to and subsequently had yet another change of plan? Did an associate of his offer to move his car for him, to allow the opportunity of continuing a party elsewhere after his car had been safely moved? Only for the keys to be disgarded along with his phone, if foul play ensued?

I hope I haven't broken any WS rules, I've wanted to post for quite a while, but my opinion changes daily!!

 

[Clevercat]

Thankyou.

Jessie, do you have a link from your research as above for human hypothermia rates at somewhere around 10'C or are you meaning just in relation to the temperature of water? ( ie. a hypothesis that's only applicable to an accidental drowning?)

http://www.webmd.com/first-aid/tc/hypothermia-and-cold-temperature-exposure-topic-overview

from this link:

[h=3]'What can cause hypothermia?[/h]Hypothermia can occur when you are exposed to cold air, water, wind, or rain.
Your body temperature can drop to a low level at temperatures of 50°F (10°C) or higher in wet and windy weather, or if you are in 60°F (16°C)to 70°F (21°C) water. If you have mild hypothermia, home treatment may be enough to bring your body temperature back up to normal.'

surely it's possible that he could have stumbled into some water, ditch or pond and although managed to climb out uninjured, resulted in him walking on with at least part of his body being wet- then hypothermia set in

 

[bbyblueeyez]

Welcome Dimps thanks for your post always good to here from Ex military Nicole reports that C dog was trained to be Quite then normal dogs but my sons best friend is Raf and even though hes not based were C was the only reason there allowed pets on base is if there struggling and they would have had to been there awhile aswell but Nicole also confirmed C wasn't ment to have the dog there Ive been here a bit now and still get in trouble so don't worry still learning all the time but some great people who will help you so your in good hands x

 

[cottonweaver]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-38536126

Thanks for bumping that back up Coach.
just for anyone that wasn't on last thread, yesterday:

Forbes McKenzie said his team would add "clarity" to the investigation.
He said: "Our mission is to create clarity from the huge amount of data that has emerged.
"We think the phone is a key piece of information.
"Where the phone finished is indicative of where Corrie was last.
"I'm very interested in what other phones were co-located with Corrie's phone.
The team's first task would be to collate all of the information available on social media feeds, CCTV and areas that have and have not been searched, he said.
"We are plugging the gaps that Suffolk Police just doesn't have the people power to do.
"This investigation might prove to be the very first crowdfunded and crowd-data sourced investigation," Mr McKenzie added."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-38536126

 

[suzyjackson]

Interesting. That makes me think that they believe someone went with C and his phone, towards BM that morning. I do wonder how long it will take them to find other phones that had the same pings, as he mentioned. I thought you'd have to have the phone numbers first, but perhaps mobile networks can just do a simple search which will throw up which users pinged which masts, at which times. xx

Hmm, just to play devil's advocate, he's bound to say the phone is key because that's the type of wrok they specialise in, so justifying their involvement right at the start. Not saying he's wrong but already he's contradicting the accepted family view that the phone is at the rubbish facility (whereever and whatever type that is).

To me it seems that we can't have it both ways - it either was in a bin and not travelling with Corrie so we need to find it in the rubbish to see if there's any data on it that might help (and this seems to have been the case since day one) OR Corrie was with the phone and a third party or parties and we need to try and find other phones that took the same route and I don't remember that being a major line of enquiry for the family.

Have I misremembered or are the new team saying everyone's been wrong all along and we can ignore anything to do with the bin lorry?

I'm very interested to find out how they are going to track down which phones were in the same area, I have some civil liberty concerns about private individuals having access to personal mobile phone data in this way. Does anyone know how they'll do it?

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Hmm, just to play devil's advocate, he's bound to say the phone is key because that's the type of wrok they specialise in, so justifying their involvement right at the start. Not saying he's wrong but already he's contradicting the accepted family view that the phone is at the rubbish facility (whereever and whatever type that is).

To me it seems that we can't have it both ways - it either was in a bin and not travelling with Corrie so we need to find it in the rubbish to see if there's any data on it that might help (and this seems to have been the case since day one) OR Corrie was with the phone and a third party or parties and we need to try and find other phones that took the same route and I don't remember that being a major line of enquiry for the family.

Have I misremembered or are the new team saying everyone's been wrong all along and we can ignore anything to do with the bin lorry?

I'm very interested to find out how they are going to track down which phones were in the same area, I have some civil liberty concerns about private individuals having access to personal mobile phone data in this way. Does anyone know how they'll do it?

I agree. Do we know if the family search was within the 5km phone ping area? I thought it was closer to Honington than BM?

 

[suzyjackson]

Hello all still here and tried also to find a link to the homeless guy as I also remember seeing this Northern Light so you wasn't on your own but Shiresleuth is right things seemed to have been deleted ive looked back on here and found some mentions but no link sorry guys that's all ive found. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...e-23-Bury-St-Edmunds-24-September-2016/page86..... Hello to all new ones there seems to be a lot which always great to have fresh eyes and ideas. Greater than ive noticed how hard you have worked on this case with and kept us all focused thank you so much. The hypothermia part has been talked about before also alcohol brings the body temperature down anyway and it was reported to be a quite mild night that night doesn't change the fact he could of suffered hypothermia at some point. Midsummer you are FAB I just wanted you to no that keep at it I no its a very difficult case XX

We definitely discussed the homeless guy and what Corrie might have said to him about walking home. There was a Scottish poster who I agreed with who said that it was most likley Corrie had just made an off the cuff remark that wasn't meant to be taken literally if there had been any conversation between the two - has that been deleted now?

My experience of the homeless in my town is that they are on the steets because of drug or alcohol issues and would be in no fit state to remember who they'd spoken to never mind what they'd said even the next day.

I'm not meaning to stereotype the homeless and BSE may well be different but in my area there is accomodation for those who are functioning, those who are actual end upsleeping in doorways are those who have problems that are too great and aren't able to help themselves because of addiction issues.

I hope that's not too insenstive, just my view that any report of what a homeless person said should be treated with caution

JMO

 

[Dcflag]

Most likely completely unrelated but has anyone seen this?

http://www.louthleader.co.uk/news/c...g-by-roadside-in-lincolnshire-wolds-1-7762327

It doesn't says body it says a man? Just lying on the road? Now let's be realistic, if someone has had Corrie alive wouldn't this be a way to get rid of him? Just leave him on the side of the road? Odd article

 

[suzyjackson]

I have just watched the CCTV over and over again of when he was last seen and I have read the posts about him possibly running etc. If he had not long wakened up, could he have been quite cold (hence the little run, which could also be a stumble)? Lots of people see things differently, some think he is going into the HS to meet someone and others think he is going for a wee. I have just played it again and to me he looks around and he is heading to the bins. A cardboard bin would be much cleaner to sleep in than a normal rubbish bin.

The running/jogging question keeps coming up, on the findcorrie FAQs and in many MSM interviews Nicola has consistently said that she has seen the preceeding CCTV footage and he wasn't running or jogging he just did a little skip as the clip starts.

I can't see any reason for her to say this if it wasn't true

JMO

 

[Clevercat]

Hmm, just to play devil's advocate, he's bound to say the phone is key because that's the type of wrok they specialise in, so justifying their involvement right at the start. Not saying he's wrong but already he's contradicting the accepted family view that the phone is at the rubbish facility (whereever and whatever type that is).

To me it seems that we can't have it both ways - it either was in a bin and not travelling with Corrie so we need to find it in the rubbish to see if there's any data on it that might help (and this seems to have been the case since day one) OR Corrie was with the phone and a third party or parties and we need to try and find other phones that took the same route and I don't remember that being a major line of enquiry for the family.

Have I misremembered or are the new team saying everyone's been wrong all along and we can ignore anything to do with the bin lorry?

I'm very interested to find out how they are going to track down which phones were in the same area, I have some civil liberty concerns about private individuals having access to personal mobile phone data in this way. Does anyone know how they'll do it?

At the beginning of their investigation they are probably quite rightly imo going back to basics and not ruling anything out.


With regard to tracking down other phones pinging the mast/s at similar times/locations, could they be trying to flush someone out- the 'innocent' driver in one of my posts above for instance?


Just my thoughts

 

[badgersmythe]

I do have my own theory why we can no longer see any reports about homeless guy and will post it later. <modsnip>. Cheers for all the comments so far guys.

I'll be interested to hear your thoughts as something doesn't seem right to me RE the homeless guy. I've too struggled to find the earlier references to him.


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[Diane188&]

First time poster, please be kind!

As ex military myself, I can't believe Corrie attempted that long walk back to Honington at 0330hrs approximately. MSM reported, the homeless man who Corrie allegedly gave money to (but he was also reported to be skint and that was the reason given for his change of plans that night?) stated that CM told him he planned to walk home to base

Think it was food he gave him not money , good post though a lot to think about . I agree if he had planned to sober up then Tesco would be the place to go, or maybe he hadn't decided yet, just went for a pee n hadn't really decided what to do yet...



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