UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #9

[Polo]

I assume the "duty of care" is to the "potential victim" rather than the family. Hence the role of the Police Liaison Officer.
Their role is "as described on the tin". That being, keeping the family informed as to the developments in the case, rather than letting them dictate the pace and direction of an investigation.

Which is bizarre, in this situation.

I noted TW's comments in an TV interview. He was almost dictating what he believed was the issues. And it was kind of bizarre for a couple of reasons. More so "what was not said" rather than "what he did say".

He basically ruled out terrorism on logical grounds, but lumped in terrorism with AWOL.
He said that AWOL would be something that was either pre-planned so therefore would leave a trail or was on the spur of the moment, due to an instant response to a situation (say if someone "broke" for a better word). He noted that in Corrie's case, neither applied.

I like how AWOL was put together with Terrorism.

He then spoke about other possible situations. They were either that Corrie was taken forcefully or that an accident befell him and he was already dead.

Can see the pattern there !

He never mentions a "pre planned meeting, wherein Corrie went off with someone willingly....yet recklessly".

Lumping "AWOL" in with "Terrorism", places "both" as "outliers". That then gets accept as so, and forgotten.

The simple truth is....we don't know. And neither does he.
If you take the "stats" on young soldiers, "AWOL" has a much higher likelihood of happening than "Terrorism". Infact Terrorism would rank at the bottom, whereas AWOL would rank at the top.

But we'll ignore the stats and look at the situation. And here the possibility of Corrie meeting someone known to him (be that briefly or for awhile) is ignored completely. It's a "no issue".

Effectively, he presents four options. Terror (X), AWOtL (X), Being Taken (?) or Accident (?). That's the menu on offer. Pick one.

I can imagine the police being directly in conflict with this approach. And possibly even "unwilling" to deal with him.

<modsnip> I think this is why the Police are being so heavily criticised, because they remain open minded. This, without evidence is exactly how the Police should treat this investigation.

 

[JamesKing]

Eastern Daily only on the web. Says 4 hours ago.

DC, can you post the Norfolk link or is it the same newspaper ?

 

[Dcflag]

Eastern Daily only on the web. Says 4 hours ago.

DC, can you post the Norfolk link or is it the same newspaper ?

the Norfolk link goes to the edphttp://www.thetfordandbrandontimes.co.uk/news/police_investigate_incident_in_thetford_1_4812219

 

[Deleted member 178385]

Thetford incident is suspected assault, according to this.

 

[JamesKing]

<modsnip> I think this is why the Police are being so heavily criticised, because they remain open minded. This, without evidence is exactly how the Police should treat this investigation.

Polo,

I agree. But what can I say. What can the police say.
<modsnip>

I'm hoping this is the first part of closure for them. When my father died in a horrible incident, I went to see the medics and then spoke to my mum. I said "there will not be a good outcome today".

I was taught to handle bad news rapidly and in a realistic manner. I thank my father for that (ex I.G) and my training (also ex Mil).

Today does not look like it will be a good day for Martin and Nicola.
But closure of some sort is needed for them.

 

[Shiressleuth]

A bit surprising that the article says it has been cordoned off since 00:30 last night yet zero communication about what the incident is from Police. That is getting on for 18 hours.

Is that a sign of the resources issue or waiting for specialist teams (Met?) to get there?

This will be a different force. Norfolk constabulary.

 

[Rachelle1968]

It says that it has been cordoned off since last night. I'm sure Nicola would have been informed by now, what with it being so local.

The link begins with the headline 'suspected assault.' That suggests to me that it is unrelated...

 

[Polo]

Polo,

I agree. But what can I say. What can the police say.
<modsnip>

I'm hoping this is the first part of closure for them. When my father died in a horrible incident, I went to see the medics and then spoke to my mum. I said "there will not be a good outcome today".

I was taught to handle bad news rapidly and in a realistic manner. I thank my father for that (ex I.G) and my training (also ex Mil).

Today does not look like it will be a good day for Martin and Nicola.
But closure of some sort is needed for them.

I'm sorry to read about you Dad James. Must have been an awful experience for you and your family

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

This will be a different force. Norfolk constabulary.

Oh yes. Thanks. I forgot how close the border is.

The link begins with the headline 'suspected assault.' That suggests to me that it is unrelated...

To be fair the article was recently updated (17:52) to show that headline after ravenette made that post. The previous article I still have open in a tab and it's timed at 12:54 and the headline said 'incident'.

 

[DanceCard]

The link begins with the headline 'suspected assault.' That suggests to me that it is unrelated...

Earlier comments were discussing the original link which had no mention of 'suspected assault' . The link was updated later.
It did appear to be unrelated because it had only been picked up by local media anyway.

ETA cross posted with TTWO!

 

[Rachelle1968]

Oh yes. Thanks. I forgot how close the border is.



To be fair the article was recently updated (17:52) to show that headline after ravenette made that post. The previous article I still have open in a tab and it's timed at 12:54 and the headline said 'incident'.

Ah...I suspected that perhaps it had an earlier headline as you crime buffs wouldn't have missed that!

 

[CoverMeCagney]

An area in Thetford was cordoned off last night and today following an assault. The assault happened at around 9pm yesterday on Butten Island on the Little Ouse river. A police spokesman said the assault was initially believed to be &#8220;quite serious&#8221; but was now in hand.

http://www.buryfreepress.co.uk/news...7727570?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Not Corrie related.

 

[JamesKing]

I'm sorry to read about you Dad James. Must have been an awful experience for you and your family

Thing happen my friend. The rich tapestry of life...and all that.
Life happens unfortunately. My "take home" was from what he had always said to me "give bad news quickly"

I hope Corrie went Absent and he's partying on in some cheap Thai island somewhere.
At least in my day, we fought "some" of the conflicts that were worthy. And then I got paid (and deported) from some I never believed in, in the first place. But I learnt S. American Espanyol !

I hope the kid turns up alive. A bit embarrassed, but alive.
But I don't think he will (that's my honest view).

 

[Sillybilly]

Thread is reopened. That was fast, eh?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Thread is reopened. That was fast, eh?

Thanks for dealing so promptly <modsnip>

 

[eeejay268]

Thanks for that

 

[Dcflag]

<modsnip>

The family updates have set a rather dangerous precedent. By giving the general public detailed updates they now feel they're owed more and more of them. The fact remains that it's a live police investigation and in terms of that the police don't really need to release any new information unless it's relevant (so if they need help with identification etc)

I think a lot of the family's updates are based on their opinion opposed to solid facts

 

[Greater Than]

ADMIN NOTE: The Facebook page is now OFF LIMITS.

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[Mindie304]

Am glad it's not related, saw the headlines and posted immediately as I suspected the worst as it's a stone throw from away from bury St edmunds . It's back to the drawing board I guess ? Sorry for whoever or whatever has happened though. Hoping Corrie is safe somewhere still ? They say no news is good news

 

[Shiressleuth]

Here's a question. If we have a difference between family website and police info does LE (police) take precedent? ( am thinking of the pings in this instance) and what about MSM. Is there a hierarchy at all? I would think it would be police then family website then MSM if there are discrepancies. We also at the moment have the issue with the vehicles where MSM is saying they've been discounted but noone else is saying that ATM.