GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #10

[Luna15]

My humble apologies - and quite right to correct me. A momentary inattention on my part not connected with either ignorance or contempt of grammar, but perhaps not unconnected with looking after two sick children and the fact that English has not been my main spoken language for the last sixteen years.

Nausicaa, I do hope you realise there was no sarcasm in my query? I consider you very knowledgeable, and wondered if I had missed something 'off script' that Mrs Yeates may have said..... I honestly wasn't taking up post as 'grammar police'

BTW any one of us can get NOTW online free for 4 weeks just by registering:

https://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/ia...t-Tabak-is-charged-with-Jo-Yeates-murder.html


:rocker:

Oh Patticake.... :noooo: .......imagine the shame!

 

[gotaloton]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jan/23/joanna-yeates-vincent-tabak-funeral

Parents talk about funeral.

 

[Patticake]

Oh Patticake.... :noooo: .......imagine the shame!

Luna15 :loveyou:

Well, as long as gotaloton has the hardcopy ...
We do want the inside story of Tanja's party.

But I'm not going to register. :blushing:


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[Chester]

Hi Chester & welcome to Websleuths !!

Yes your probably right, & it wouldnt look good from a legal point of view if LE were to clear his name too quickly.

:Welcome1:

Thank you for the welcome.

One of the options the defence will have is to present alternative scenarios and alternative suspects to try to introduce reasonable doubt. So absolutely, they will need to show they were not blinkered.

 

[whiterum]

To be fair, no-one really knows why the LL was arrested. Also, perhaps the police are making sure that he isn't involved before clearing him, especially if he might have keys to Tabak's flat. Not sure if Jefferies owns that one though.

A source close to the investigation told The Mail on Sunday: ‘The investigation changed dramatically three weeks ago after this new CCTV footage came to light.
‘The discovery of this car driving over the bridge shifted the case’s dynamics.

'Before this breakthrough the investigation was close to hitting a brick wall. They had interviewed Miss Yeates’s landlord but nothing materialised from it and there was no concrete evidence linking him in any way to the murder.
‘It appears he had brought himself under suspicion by making a series of comments which now appear to be irrelevant and innocuous. There was no case against him.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...harged-murder-court-Monday.html#ixzz1BrwiPWZU

According to this source Pisces Cloud, they didn't have much to warrant an arrest.

 

[MissMarple2]

QUOTED TEXT FROM DAILY MAIL

Detectives interviewed the owner of the car earlier this month but eliminated him at that stage.
A source close to the investigation told The Mail on Sunday: ‘The investigation changed dramatically three weeks ago after this new CCTV footage came to light.
‘The discovery of this car driving over the bridge shifted the case’s dynamics.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...harged-murder-court-Monday.html#ixzz1Bs5DZPjx
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To me, the way this is written suggests that that the owner of the car and the driver are one and the same. (Just because VT cycles a lot doesn't mean that he wouldn't own a car). I also think that this implies that the owner was interviewed as part of their enquiries and I don't think the interview had anything to do with driving a car over the bridge because the footage had not come to light at this stage.

If this is the case, then he would have had no need to defend what he was doing on the bridge at that time because the police wouldn't have known that's where he was.

 

[Nausicaa]

Where's that from? I'm sure if that was true the LE would have been onto VT much sooner, everyone would have known about any such 'fisticuffs'?

It's from Sky. Don't forget that we don't at all know that the police weren't "on to VT" earlier. I am convinced that they were. All we know is when they arrested him.

 

[Trio]

If the body was left on Christmas morning, like I really think it was. All I can say is the Police concentrated their efforts on weekend 17th-19th (especially Fri 17th) I don't think the true picture of this shallow snow cover all week was really taken into account, especially regarding an undiscovered body for 8 days. I may be wrong. But I'm sure the truth will out eventually. I've always had serious doubts the correct body disposal date was being looked at.

So many confusing puzzles to this whole case aren't there??

The LE will have an idea to when JY was placed at the deposition site the reason the snowfall.
Up to 5 cm's of snow fell over Bristol over Night this would make it the 18th of December Friday the 17th at midnight had just passed making it the 18th that the snow fell, and 2 cm's fell on the Saturday Morning of the 18th of December.

If Jo was placed at the deposition site on the Friday Night before the snow fall before, then it snowed over Night then the ground underneath where JY had been placed would be bare of any snow, and the ground would be as it was before it snowed,JY's body would have stopped snow going underneath to the ground where she laid, and that means JY was placed there before the snowfall, if snow was underneath the body then JY was placed there after the snow began falling over Night on the 18th of December, the LE would have had expect's brought in on the snowfall.

A cadaver dog would be able to locate if Jo laid deceased in any Property that VT was connected too, or out building's,or vechicle's, or of any if VT's clothing had the scent on,although he could have got rid of any clothing.
After death body temperature begins to drop chemical changes in muscles begin and autolysis advances, this is the odour that a cadaver dog mark's,the body temperature has to start to drop and continue to drop for the chemical changes to take place.

The odour does not start immediately and takes approximately one and half to two hour's as the body temperature start's to drop,so if no odour is marked by the cadaver dog in any property, or out building or vehicle connected to VT or clothing, then Jo was removed from these location's or one of these location's soon after her demise and placed in the lane.


The LE must have substantial and good evidence, to get the CPS to allow the LE to charge someone with murder.

 

[Nausicaa]

To me, the way this is written suggests that that the owner of the car and the driver are one and the same. (Just because VT cycles a lot doesn't mean that he wouldn't own a car). I also think that this implies that the owner was interviewed as part of their enquiries and I don't think the interview had anything to do with driving a car over the bridge because the footage had not come to light at this stage.

If this is the case, then he would have had no need to defend what he was doing on the bridge at that time because the police wouldn't have known that's where he was.

Good point. I think I'd find the circumstances easier to explain if he was the owner of the car, come to think of it.

 

[SheDevil]

It's from Sky. Don't forget that we don't at all know that the police weren't "on to VT" earlier. I am convinced that they were. All we know is when they arrested him.

It's been put on David Icke forum as well. Hmm. Don't forget, anyone can post anything and it quickly becomes fact on the internet. The rumours of VT being arrested while de-icing his car appears to have come from a forum member saying the police were watching her son (who lives near the flat VT was staying) de-ice his car.

Its easy to post after the event, it would have been more impressive if this person wrote that before VT was arrested.

 

[Sweep the cat]

Did anyone see this on another forum ?



While this allegation remains, for me at least, obscure and unverifiable, it makes one wonder whether there may not be a lot of background to what happened that has not yet become public.

Do you have the link to this article please Nausicaa

 

[Curious Alice]

To me, the way this is written suggests that that the owner of the car and the driver are one and the same. (Just because VT cycles a lot doesn't mean that he wouldn't own a car). I also think that this implies that the owner was interviewed as part of their enquiries and I don't think the interview had anything to do with driving a car over the bridge because the footage had not come to light at this stage.If this is the case, then he would have had no need to defend what he was doing on the bridge at that time because the police wouldn't have known that's where he was.

Very good point (BIB).

The fact remains, we have not been assured that VT owns a car, or not.

 

[Nausicaa]

After death body temperature begins to drop chemical changes in muscles begin and autolysis advances, this is the odour that a cadaver dog mark's,the body temperature has to start to drop and continue to drop for the for the chemical changes to take place.

The odour does not start immediately and takes approximately one and half to two hour's as the body temperature start's to drop,so if no odour is marked by the cadaver dog in any property, or out building or vehicle connected to VT or clothing, then Jo was removed from these location's or one of these location's soon after her demise and placed in the lane.

However, an unusual variant in the present case is the possibility that the body temperature very rapidly dropped through the decomposition range and out the other side - i.e. became too cold to decompose and release cadaverine. I should think that the sort of temperature variations that may have prevailed in the hours and days following JY's death would be such as to call for specialised forensic experts of the highest level and still to tax their knowledge to the utmost.

 

[little_miss_smart]

About this, does VT have a car and riding a bike to work.

My husband often cycles to work, he is a keen cyclist and enjoys it more than anything. He uses the car when the weather isn't so great though. The distance from home to work is approx 10 miles. I'm not sure what the distance is for VT but I don't think it's too uncommon for someone to ride a bike to work even if they own a car.

 

[gloriana]

Did anyone see this on another forum ?



While this allegation remains, for me at least, obscure and unverifiable, it makes one wonder whether there may not be a lot of background to what happened that has not yet become public.

http://inmytrends.com/joanna-yeates-murder-best-friend-hits-out-at-secret-lover-speculation.htm

"Joanna Yeates’s best friend yesterday dismissed speculation the murdered landscape architect had been having an affair."

Not sure if this is re her original statement concerning MW.

 

[Praxis]

QUOTED TEXT FROM DAILY MAIL

Detectives interviewed the owner of the car earlier this month but eliminated him at that stage.
A source close to the investigation told The Mail on Sunday: ‘The investigation changed dramatically three weeks ago after this new CCTV footage came to light.
‘The discovery of this car driving over the bridge shifted the case’s dynamics.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...harged-murder-court-Monday.html#ixzz1Bs5DZPjx
.................

To me, the way this is written suggests that that the owner of the car and the driver are one and the same. (Just because VT cycles a lot doesn't mean that he wouldn't own a car). I also think that this implies that the owner was interviewed as part of their enquiries and I don't think the interview had anything to do with driving a car over the bridge because the footage had not come to light at this stage.

If this is the case, then he would have had no need to defend what he was doing on the bridge at that time because the police wouldn't have known that's where he was.

I assumed he had a car and assumed his girlfriend had a car too but the parents appeal which asked the question: did you lend a car to anyone? left me doubting if either of these cars were used for disposal and another car was used. But who knows what other evidance the police have, even if cadaver scent was found in one of the cars belonging to VT or TM, cadaver alone is only circumstantial. Up until yesterday, the flats were still being searched by forensics.

There was a statement by one of his colleagues that said he was often working away at clients sites. I assumed he would need his own car if this was the case.

 

[Trio]

However, an unusual variant in the present case is the possibility that the body temperature very rapidly dropped through the decomposition range and out the other side - i.e. became too cold to decompose and release cadaverine. I should think that the sort of temperature variations that may have prevailed in the hours and days following JY's death would be such as to call for specialised forensic experts of the highest level and still to tax their knowledge to the utmost.

I was referring to the cadaver dog and JY if she was removed soon after her demise from the location where JY met her death,or anything connected to VT, his Flat, out building's car etc, a cadaver dog will mark if a body had been in situ then removed if the odour is there then the dog will mark, the odour has to develop first though the time scale in my last Post, even if a body became cold.
A cadaver dog will mark even a piece of ice that had someway come into contact with a deceased person.

I expect the LE have all the top People working on this Case, and what a strange Case it has been and is.

 

[Curious Alice]

There was a statement by one of his colleagues that said he was often working away at clients sites. I assumed he would need his own car if this was the case.

Until recently I worked for an architectural practice and almost all staff would, at some point, need to visit sites and attend meetings. However we would often arrange hire cars, or for staff to use one of several pool cars if needed. A lot of people in cities choose not to have 2 cars per household due to parking, running costs etc, so it's feasible that he did not have sole use of a vehicle. Perhaps just the GF kept a car ? We simply do not know and could second guess this issue until we are advised otherwise.

 

[equationgirl]

In all of this, there must be a cadaver scent somewhere. In someones flat, car, wheelie bin, clothes or personal belongings. There's huge chunks of evidance missing that I expect will tie everything together in time.

Considering how cold it was at the time, and the reports of how frozen the body was, I'd very really surprised if decomposition processes had become so established.

From wiki entry on decomposition (no pictures evident):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decomposition#Exposure_to_the_elements

'In extremely dry or cold conditions, the normal process of decomposition is halted – by either lack of moisture or temperature controls on bacterial and enzymatic action – causing the body to be preserved as a mummy. Frozen mummies commonly restart the decomposition process when thawed (see Ötzi the Iceman)'

 

[casablancas]

Hi everyone. Just found this site recently & have been "lurking" for a while. Excellent thread, with lots of great points being made!!