GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #10

[SilkySifaka]

None from them though. Mainly seems to be the father speculating based on the fact that he could not recall them being mentioned.

They had only been in the flat for a couple of months.

Whilst it may not have been a BFF thing I am sure they must have known each other.

Yep, just like so many of us "know" are neighbors or would trust them because they are neighbors unless they seem truly weird but be unable to tell anything about their life beyond two people living there and age. Hellos at the mailbox or on the street or in the parking lot but not much else.

 

[bees]

A number of newspapers have reported that VT was interviewed by a journalist from the Express Group in the week before his arrest and stated that "I wasn't here on the night she went missing. I was away and I don't know anyone who saw or heard anything".

If he means the night of Friday 17th rather than Sunday 19th (when she was reported missing), then I wonder where "away" was and at what time he went out. He seems to have been there early evening as reported by CJ who spoke to him. The word "away" also implies he's saying he didn't return that night, otherwise he'd have said "out" wouldn't he? Alternatively, he means the 19th, the night she was reported missing, as though that's the night she actually went missing. What do you think?

 

[Trio]

Really? I always though police had access to sophisticated complex technology that could trace a phone even if the battery was removed - obviously a myth then! Cheers for info.

The Technology is there to be able find out where a mobile phone was, or was not, and when the calls or text's were made etc.

British commutations specialist's in a big Case in Portugal,did a detailed analysed Report of the mobiles of People related to Case, what time the mobiles were used, what time any text's or calls where sent, when they were received, how long the call or text lasted, and where that mobile was at the time the calls or text's were made, or received, this was carried out after at a later date after the event.
All this is done via Mast's and Ping's.

 

[Chester]

Yep, just like so many of us "know" are neighbors or would trust them because they are neighbors unless they seem truly weird but be unable to tell anything about their life beyond two people living there and age. Hellos at the mailbox or on the street or in the parking lot but not much else.

Agreed but my original point was that the "lots of statements" all seem to have come from the father who lives 75 miles or more away and had briefly been to the flat a grand total of three times.

 

[bees]

Yep, just like so many of us "know" are neighbors or would trust them because they are neighbors unless they seem truly weird but be unable to tell anything about their life beyond two people living there and age. Hellos at the mailbox or on the street or in the parking lot but not much else.

Yes and JY / GR had only been there a couple of months hadn't they? A combination of busy working lives, leaving and returning in the dark most days and an unshared entrance could easily result in just a nodding acquaintance.

 

[aneurin]

The view on this quote really depends on one key thing.

Did he assume that she went missing on the Sunday, which was when it was reported ?

Granted, it's an off the cuff response to a pesky tabloid journalist but, in the context of the extensive publicity given to the case it's rather an odd thing to say, if you think about it.

 

[Praxis]

If he means the night of Friday 17th rather than Sunday 19th (when she was reported missing), then I wonder where "away" was and at what time he went out. He seems to have been there early evening as reported by CJ who spoke to him. The word "away" also implies he's saying he didn't return that night, otherwise he'd have said "out" wouldn't he? Alternatively, he means the 19th, the night she was reported missing, as though that's the night she actually went missing. What do you think?

For what it's worth. I'd assumed he meant the night she was reported missing (19th) and that he was in Holland or in transit at this point. I think M Brunt said on SKY the night VT was charged, that he'd left on the 19th and returned on the 4th, but I can't be certain I really heard that.

 

[SheDevil]

Of course they knew each other. They lived next door. But Joanna's father has the impression that they didn't know each well, weren't on socialising terms. No credible source is pretending that they were complete strangers to one another.

With all due respect to Mr Yeates, how on earth would he know? He doesn't seem to realise JY was a young lady, who had a life which she may have kept parts of completely separate from her parents, which is perfectly natural. I'd be more interested in GR's view of how well they knew each other. How do we even know GR, JY, VT and TM hadn't shared a bottle of wine one evening (not alluding to car keys in the ashtray here either), but two young professional couples, similar ages, it wouldn't surprise me at all. Did/do you tell your parents every single person you socialise with?

Reminds me of the odd phrase Mr Yeates said when she was a missing person: "she had all the space she needed..." or WTTE.

Odd.

 

[aneurin]

Yes and JY / GR had only been there a couple of months hadn't they? A combination of busy working lives, leaving and returning in the dark most days and an unshared entrance could easily result in just a nodding acquaintance.

As reported by the Sun (for what it's worth):

Tabak knew landscape architect Jo and they worked together on joint schemes for their respective firms, according to a former colleague of his at consultant engineers Buro Happold. They said: "They would have met in her office or on location."

 

[bees]

As reported by the Sun (for what it's worth):

Tabak knew landscape architect Jo and they worked together on joint schemes for their respective firms, according to a former colleague of his at consultant engineers Buro Happold. They said: "They would have met in her office or on location."

So either the former colleague, VT or The Sun is lying/mistaken as VT said he didn't know her. There are a lot of porkies flying!

 

[SilkySifaka]

Agreed but my original point was that the "lots of statements" all seem to have come from the father who lives 75 miles or more away and had briefly been to the flat a grand total of three times.

Yes and I doubt she ever mentioned them to him, we don't normally mention neighbors to family unless we are friends or close, doesn't mean she didn't know him at all. I don't take dads words as any sort of accurate picture of that. He is just saying what he "knows" plus he is still in shock. I don't think I have ever seen such a devastated couple and I have seen many in these cases. I think it will be a while before he has a really complete recollection as well.

 

[bees]

VT allegedly said this to reporters 5 days before his arrest:
"We are all very sad about it and although I didn't know Miss Yeates, I'm deeply saddened by what happened."
from The Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ates-murder-deeply-saddened-by-her-death.html

 

[SilkySifaka]

So either the former colleague, VT or The Sun is lying/mistaken as VT said he didn't know her. There are a lot of porkies flying!

Well as much as the Sun and the DM are strangers to the truth at times, i doubt they made up the quote by the colleague.

The one I don't believe is VT because I think he killed her which means he knew her that night at least! That said, again it is really a question of what people mean by 'know' here. I know people and have no clue what their name is, we say hello all the time but that is it. Someone else may see it as they don't know them because the contact is so fleeting.

I still say the case of the missing pizza only makes sense if it is someone who lives there and if it isn't the landlord then the odds of LE having the wrong man again are tiny.

 

[zigzag]

I always had "someone" else as the murderer but had we known of all possible suspects maybe this is the conclusion most people would have arrived at a lot earlier.
VT has been charged with murder which to me means the LE most definitely have concrete evidence but it seems that VT is going to plead not guilty otherwise no way would he be applying for bail, alas i dont think we will ever know the true sequence of events and the pizza will remain forever a mystery (if proven guilty) a bit like many other murders where someone is convicted all we get is their version of events

jmo

 

[bees]

Well as much as the Sun and the DM are strangers to the truth at times, i doubt they made up the quote by the colleague.

The former colleague could have said "They might have known each other and worked together".

I can't see how VT could be lying on this point without immediately raising suspicion from GR, TM and all the people he worked with. If he had worked with JY, then there are plenty of people who'd know about that so why would he voluntarily lie to the media and risk being exposed?

 

[Lynn R]

I see no reason to imagine they don't have the right guy except he looks like a nice upstanding young man. However most murderers are nice guys to someone and few look like killers.

guess i really dont understand why people think they have the wrong person, except that they did not charge the landlord and he was arrested. To me that speaks rather highly of LE in this case, they released him when they realized he was the wrong person (and imo they were pretty sure he was the wrong person because of the way they went publicly immediately after that asking for more people and how they said they were still looking for a killer..it just sounded like they no longer looked at him except in a "just in case" sort of way).

That they arrested and then charged him so quickly tells me this is night and day to the landlord. They have something solid.

One thing I want to mention, I have always believed it was a person in that building as the most likely. Either that or someone she knew as a friend whom she let in. None of us would think twice about letting a neighbor we see all the time in, or if we were in the hall together suggesting sharing a pizza. The missing pizza also points to someone in the building. I doubt a stranger is going to steal the pizza and carry it out but what would be more "normal" than to take it from the counter next door with you where there is almost no chance of being seen?

Police arrest and charge the wrong people and they go to prison - it does happen - Barry George for example and you could not have had a much higher profile murder than the one he was charged with! Here in the UK anyway.

I realise that killers can appear 'normal' to everyone else. Ted Bundy for example. Just something in my gut and my opinion. We would all like to think that the police wouldn't charge an innocent person. BTW I am NOT arguing that they have - just that it's possible.

And - I agree with you I too always felt it was someone in the flats - which totally contradicts my gut feeling!!!!

 

[SilkySifaka]

I always had "someone" else as the murderer but had we known of all possible suspects maybe this is the conclusion most people would have arrived at a lot earlier.
VT has been charged with murder which to me means the LE most definitely have concrete evidence but it seems that VT is going to plead not guilty otherwise no way would he be applying for bail, alas i dont think we will ever know the true sequence of events and the pizza will remain forever a mystery (if proven guilty) a bit like many other murders where someone is convicted all we get is their version of events

jmo

He needs to confess if only to give us the answer to the pizza mystery!! :banghead:

 

[Phillb]

I think you're confused because you are assuming the owner was interviewed about the car.

I don't do confused
Read back along the thread to clarify what I was actually answering.

Thank you

 

[SilkySifaka]

Police arrest and charge the wrong people and they go to prison - it does happen - Barry George for example and you could not have had a much higher profile murder than the one he was charged with! Here in the UK anyway.

I realise that killers can appear 'normal' to everyone else. Ted Bundy for example. Just something in my gut and my opinion. We would all like to think that the police wouldn't charge an innocent person. BTW I am NOT arguing that they have - just that it's possible.

And - I agree with you I too always felt it was someone in the flats - which totally contradicts my gut feeling!!!!

LOL aren't we driving ourselves crazy?

Here is the funny part on my side, I am far more likely to not believe LE until shown the evidence than most here. I follow the innocence project and know how both evidence, tunnel vision, emotions and just wanting a conviction can cause miscarriages of justice. Yet I am absolutely certain they have teh right guy this time lol

 

[Colombo]

ITN reporter at 630 news live from Bristol

appeared to emphasise that he had been told by police today that CJ was still a suspect