GUILTY UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #10 *ARREST*

[cybervampira]

Missing woman Libby Squire | Humberside Police

Can you help find missing Libby Squire (21) last seen getting into a taxi outside Welly club in Hull at around 11pm last night?

She is 5ft 7ins tall with shoulder length brown hair and was wearing a black long sleeved top, leather jacket and black denim skirt with lace.

If you have seen her please call 101 quoting log 29 of 01/02/19.



Humberside Police

Woman, 21, missing after last being seen getting into taxi on night out

Huge search for missing Libby Squire continues

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[LemonMint]

Concern is growing for Libby Squire, a University of Hull student, who was seen getting into a taxi outside Welly on Beverley Road at around 11pm on Thursday, January 31.


She was later seen on the street, near the junction with Beresford Avenue at about 11.45pm, when a man got out of his car to stop and help her.

Fears grow for missing Libby Squire as search resumes

 

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[CoverMeCagney]

Just bringing this forward from thread #2

Timeline:

11pm ish Libby gets in taxi at Welly
11:18pm Libby turned away from Welly, 11:22pm Libby put in taxi
11:29 Taxi drops her near home on Wellesley Av. Neighbours saw her stumbling in street.
11:40 - 11:45 caught on CCTV on bench. Around this time grey beard man stopped to offer assistance, she declined, police have cleared him
11:49ish PR? car arrives on Haworth Street (per ITV CCTV)
12:04-12:06 ish man smoking (CCTV)
12:08 passenger door opens and someone/something is on passenger seat (CCTV)
12:09 car drives away (CCTV)
12:09 police say Libby had left the bench by now
12:19 the same car (tbc) seen Newland Av (per Sun CCTV)
12:15-12:30ish dark and eerie screams coming from park for 15 minutes
12:30ish man seen running from park
12:30ish scream and banging gate heard from Heathcote St near Libbys house.

 

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Police search neighbours' gardens in desperate hunt for missing Libby Squire | Daily Mail Online

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[Strontium69]

I think maybe were looking at this wrong , because we cant find the body people are creating far fetched theories to explain how PR magically got the body away from the park , 2nd car , help from another perv etc ??
Its more likely they didnt go to the park and we're simply looking in the wrong place.
If PR is guilty and hes volunteered the park as part of his alibi that would suggest to me the park isnt Libbys location. The late night search of the bench suggests PR said they hung out in the park on a bench, hes probably lying.
If Libby remained conscious in the car after leaving Haworth then PR would have had to have taken her somewhere she had agreed to and felt comfortable with , such as home or a public park. If this was the case you never know PR might just have been satisfied enjoying the company of one of the student girls he fantasised about and nothing bad would have happened.
However if , as is quite likely given Libbys condition , she passed out in the car , and faced with an unconscious body PR may have re-evaluted where to take her and thought a quiet , private place would be better, better for him to enjoy his unconscious passenger. Plus parking in a public place with an unconscious female passenger would simply appear wierd and attract attention, better find somewhere private.
Maybe his phone ping gives oak road park as an approximate location or maybe its just that surrounding cctv doesnt show him leaving the area but if thats the area the police have knowledge he stopped in there are more private areas to park locally than oak road by the park. Im thinking he dived down one of the alleys (10foots) that run at the backs of the gardens. Shown in red in the attached pic. Maybe the one between Claremont and the park leading to the allotments , that might correlate with the screams heard by residents. Or one nearer Wellesley might correlate with the other report of screams and doors banging. The southern lying alley backing claremont dosnt have a gate wheras the northern lying one does have a gate thereby potentially ruling it out unless that gate were left open.
We can speculate on what happened at the location but sussing the actual location of events is the main thing as its the key in locating Libby , at least if he disposed of her there , which if his car is clean it would appear he did.
So im disputing he parked in oak road by the car park - that area is inhabited by youths at all times i just dont see him parking there , i mean ; hypothetically if you were dating would you take your girlfreind there at midnight ? i woudnt.

Just going back to this from the end of the last thread...

I haven't checked if all the ten foots around there are gated or not.

I would suggest that him going down a tenfoot in the car would be FAR MORE noticeable and suspicious than just parking up outside the park gates on Oak Road. People are intensely protective of their tenfoots - they are the networks for burglars accessing the backs of houses, and most of them are now gated.

I'm not sure anyone would necessarily notice she was unconscious? May just look like any other couple parked up in a car in a secluded spot late at night.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Just going back to this from the end of the last thread...

I haven't checked if all the ten foots around there are gated or not.

I would suggest that him going down a tenfoot in the car would be FAR MORE noticeable and suspicious than just parking up outside the park gates on Oak Road.

I'm not sure anyone would necessarily notice she was unconscious? May just look like any other couple parked up in a car in a secluded spot late at night. People are intensely protective of their tenfoots - they are the networks for burglars accessing the backs of houses, and most of them are now gated.

I was going to say the same. People don't park up in car parks for dates and they're not stopping to check other people in cars are OK...they'd be 'busy' .

I think the police are searching the park because they think that it contains a crime scene, even if there's no body there. Where she was hidden would be a secondary crime scene - in fact there could be more than two crime scenes if you included the bench.

 

[Newthoughts]

I was going to say the same. People don't park up in car parks for dates and they're not stopping to check other people in cars are OK...they'd be 'busy' .

I think the police are searching the park because they think that it contains a crime scene, even if there's no body there. Where she was hidden would be a secondary crime scene - in fact there could be more than two crime scenes if you included the bench.

Weren't there images of forensic guys measuring and taking photos of the bench she was last definitely seen sitting on.

 

[Strontium69]

Incidentally - do we have any TIDAL information for the night/time in question?

Do we know how high the river was, at what stage tide it was? i.e. was the river still or fast flowing?

If it was high and fast flowing, then yes perhaps a boy would be washed far downstream without getting snared. But any other way, there are so many twists and turns in that river, and it has such extremes of tides, that other than full and fast, I think she would have been found by now.

 

[yoyo1]

Just going back to this from the end of the last thread...

I haven't checked if all the ten foots around there are gated or not.

I would suggest that him going down a tenfoot in the car would be FAR MORE noticeable and suspicious than just parking up outside the park gates on Oak Road. People are intensely protective of their tenfoots - they are the networks for burglars accessing the backs of houses, and most of them are now gated.

I'm not sure anyone would necessarily notice she was unconscious? May just look like any other couple parked up in a car in a secluded spot late at night.

Strontium , you're right the alleys both sides between Claremont Ave and Ormonde Ave are gated , plus the alleys both sides between Ormonde Ave and the Barmstorm drain are gated.
However the alley off Wellesley itself isnt gated and the one i checked before the southern one between Claremont Ave and Oak Road Park isnt gated - pic attached.
Round my way in London these alleys are common and popular discreet locations to park up during the night and the residents probably arnt even aware of it.
I like the wellesley one less for PR as its surrounded , the one between Claremont and the park looks more likely. Hopefully the police have checked all along there , tbh looking on google maps there dosnt really look much scope for places to hide a body in that alley but if i was local i coudnt resist having a nosey down there , and the wellesley one as well .
I still advocate that if your taking an unconscious girl away to sexually assault her you dont choose a public place inhabited by locals at all hours of the day , the croda cctv shows theres liable to be people strolling by at any time. You go somewhere ultra discreet.

 

[yoyo1]

Incidentally - do we have any TIDAL information for the night/time in question?

Do we know how high the river was, at what stage tide it was? i.e. was the river still or fast flowing?

If it was high and fast flowing, then yes perhaps a boy would be washed far downstream without getting snared. But any other way, there are so many twists and turns in that river, and it has such extremes of tides, that other than full and fast, I think she would have been found by now.

Jessie posted the tidal information , at midnight it was about half in , half out , which made me think PR is unlikely to have ventured on to mud banks to reach the river to put a body in.

 

[Strontium69]

Weren't there images of forensic guys measuring and taking photos of the bench she was last definitely seen sitting on.

Not that I have seen. Forensics were in the bushes across the road picking up the hammer/sdriver and lipstick, but I don't remember any photos of forensics at the bench on Haworth street - which is the bench they mean when they say 'last seen alive'.

HOWEVER - in the early days there were pictures of forensics around a bench. That bench is in the park, and is along the path on the way to the pond.

It is one of three benches along that path... I think I know which one it is...

 

[Strontium69]

Jessie posted the tidal information , at midnight it was about half in , half out , which made me think PR is unlikely to have ventured on to mud banks to reach the river to put a body in.

Any Almanac...ists in here? Any similar moon/tides combinations coming up?

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

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Hi, just joined today. Live in the Newland area of Hull.
I saw Pawel in the courtroom and he was emotionless. No shaking hands, no sweating, nothing.


Hi J! Our local reporter! Just catching up here, but will you be attending his next hearing? Did you have any thoughts on him? Obviously related only to charges...

 

[Strontium69]

Strontium , you're right the alleys both sides between Claremont Ave and Ormonde Ave are gated , plus the alleys both sides between Ormonde Ave and the Barmstorm drain are gated.
However the alley off Wellesley itself isnt gated and the one i checked before the southern one between Claremont Ave and Oak Road Park isnt gated - pic attached.
Round my way in London these alleys are common and popular discreet locations to park up during the night and the residents probably arnt even aware of it.
I like the wellesley one less for PR as its surrounded , the one between Claremont and the park looks more likely. Hopefully the police have checked all along there , tbh looking on google maps there dosnt really look much scope for places to hide a body in that alley but if i was local i coudnt resist having a nosey down there , and the wellesley one as well .
I still advocate that if your taking an unconscious girl away to sexually assault her you dont choose a public place inhabited by locals at all hours of the day , the croda cctv shows theres liable to be people strolling by at any time. You go somewhere ultra discreet.

I don't think you could do that round here. Any car just 'sat' in a tenfoot is going to get curtains twitching. People are very protective of their tenfoots, as it give burglars easy access over back fences away from street lights. A car sat in a tenfoot at midnight is going to get clocked, it would look like it was casing the backways. We're back to the make/model of his car! How quiet is it? I had heard there were cars that were so quiet they added audio noise so that pedestrians could hear them coming! I am pretty certain that a car sat in a tenfoot would get clocked by a local. Crime is rife and people are on edge and watchful - me and my immediate neighbours are always texting/phoning each other at all ours with local info... i.e. noise round the back, car hanging a the junction for 5 minutes, and houses these days are crawling with CCTV.

Maybe as a burglar/proto-stalker he has scouted somewhere secluded nearby, like the stub end of a tenfoot, where he can park up?

In relative terms, for an opportunist, I think this park area would still be the most attractive to park up. Unless at this stage he has gone with her in the car somewhere completely different? Possibly... but I think unlikely.

On GPS pings - I was under the impression they were accurate to within a metre? I've used GPS in the pitch black in the countryside to follow a path through some woods, AND across a stepping stone ford... and when I worked in tech we 'pinged' our boss onto the EXACT Boardwalk he was on in NY at the time with his phone/GPS...