Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #7

[GTB72]

Yep, I noticed that too. The Superintendent seems a wee bit imprecise with language. JMO

I thought she was much better and much more precise. Especially on the CCTV footage.

 

[Firstsnow4]

Garstang Lane is the riverside path leading to the inner/upper field it's not a road. You won't find it on Google Maps. That's the mistake I was making. But if you listen to SI Riley she clearly said Garstang leading to A 586. Garstang Lane is the red dotted line on the screenshot provided.

Yes so that’s the path she entered the fields on, which we said in earlier threads - looks quite wooded along there. Still struggling to see how any perp would have got her out of the area unless in a car on Blackpool lane (and without being seen at all). IMO.

 

[Sandyuk]

I think this will be because the dog harness which was found on the river bank was wet. This would be because the owner had gone down to the edge to get it, slipped into the water accidentally then thrown the harness onto the bank so as to be able to use both hands to get out of the River.

Very sadly, IMO, this attempt to get out was not successful.

It's awful but IMO she is in the deep hole part of the River somewhere. There is a fair chance that sonar is not the answer for this. I don't care how much the computer kit cost it is how well it works in reality that matters rather than the dollar value.

(Edit for typo)

Do you have a link to say

I think this will be because the dog harness which was found on the river bank was wet. This would be because the owner had gone down to the edge to get it, slipped into the water accidentally then thrown the harness onto the bank so as to be able to use both hands to get out of the River.

Very sadly, IMO, this attempt to get out was not successful.

It's awful but IMO she is in the deep hole part of the River somewhere. There is a fair chance that sonar is not the answer for this. I don't care how much the computer kit cost it is how well it works in reality that matters rather than the dollar value.

(Edit for typo)

Do you have a link saying the harness was wet?

 

[Shadowplayed]

I found the press conference a bit on the defensive side, stating that the case has been reviewed by the NCA as being satisfactorily carried out, nothing has been done wrong or missed.

The emphasis from this was very much the same though, a tragic accident, NB had fallen in the river and had not left the park by any other method.

The river search is now being extended to Knott-End and Morecambe Bay, i.e. all the way to the sea

Watching it live it highlighted the scale of the investigation.

1000s of pieces of info sent in
500 active lines of enquiry
40 detectives under a SIO
Specialists still combing the banks and the river
River searches being carried out in the same places again by specialists using many methods
Door to door in the local area
700 identified vehicles to check on for dashcam or any other info - some local, some not

The Police remain pretty certain that NB suffered a tragic accident in the water. Doesn't sound like they'd consider anyone else could have been involved with that either, be it deliberately or accidentally... "We do not expect any criminal element to the enquiry"

Something I picked up on when asked about PF from SGI stating that he believed
NB was not in the river, the response was to thank him but state that does not mean she had not been in the river, she fell. Further he was not included in all of the detail they had.

 

[GTB72]

Yes so that’s the path she entered the fields on, which we said in earlier threads - looks quite wooded along there. Still struggling to see how any perp would have got her out of the area unless in a car on Blackpool lane (and without being seen at all). IMO.

Yes. That's where she entered the field from. It would be a long way for a perp to walk her there or even if she walked herself for someone not to have spotted her.

 

[shadwell]

Again, LE have stated that they can use 3rd party apps to obtain data...

Eg Strava, MyFitnessPal, Runkeeper or other Fitbit compatible app logged into NB’s account. The tricky bit in this case is finding the device in the first place, especially if it’s underwater.

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[Mr X]

Do you have a link to say

Do you have a link saying the harness was wet?

No. It is strictly MOO.

I suppose the police could release this detail if it was correct. On my part it is pure supposition but makes an awful lot of sense.

 

[JimmyBets]

If LE have any Fitbit data to suggest NB entered the water, what do they have to gain by keeping that confidential ? I'm not saying they don't have data - just trying to work out why not release that info?

I am astounded by the lack of visual help the police are giving out to the public/MSM when doing these press conferences and asking for help. We live (unfortunately) in a quick fix, visual world (there's a reason why Instagram is so popular) so why not some kind of visual presentation clearly showing the lane/road they need still need dashcam footage from? It would make everything so much clearer.

Similarly when describing NB's outfit. Why not use clear pictures of the clothes or better still produce some exact replicas.....in last Fridays press conference LE asked for the public to pay special attention to the clothes NB was wearing.....

 

[HeatherErica]

That doesn't mean she wore them every day for every call. The official description of what Nicola was wearing did not include earphones and we have no way of knowing if she had them on or even with her when she went missing.

MOO

Thinking about it, surely they would be able to locate her earphones at her home/car etc to determine if she did not have them on her that morning? It would be quite an easy way to rule it out and IMO is why they haven't mentioned the possibility of her having them on her persons that day

 

[WestLondoner]

I don’t think it’s that they can’t see that it could be a crime but that there’s no evidence to suggests it is at the moment.

Exactly right I think. There's no evidence it's a crime but reason to think she may have stumbled into that river, hence they pursue that.

If they cannot find her, then perhaps they reconsider whether she is in the river at all. As yet there's been zero evidence of any attacker - only some vague idea of when an attack could have occurred, which is long way short of evidence.

 

[Firstsnow4]

Yes. That's where she entered the field from. It would be a long way for a perp to walk her there or even if she walked herself for someone not to have spotted her.

Yes I agree which leads us back to the police theory of an accidental fall into the river or foul play in the field but ultimately ending up in the river. IMO.

 

[Belleville]

I was shocked when I heard 700 vehicles, doesn’t that seem incredibly high for a village road? Is that over the space of an hour or what? Which would be 11 cars a minute? Or over a smaller length of time?

Think she said that day

 

[MrsWatson]

She had earphones, wired ,FB pics

My apology, I am missing the intent of your original quote?

 

[DFR3217]

I think this will be because the dog harness which was found on the river bank was wet. This would be because the owner had gone down to the edge to get it, slipped into the water accidentally then thrown the harness onto the bank so as to be able to use both hands to get out of the River.

Very sadly, IMO, this attempt to get out was not successful.

It's awful but IMO she is in the deep hole part of the River somewhere. There is a fair chance that sonar is not the answer for this. I don't care how much the computer kit cost it is how well it works in reality that matters rather than the dollar value.

(Edit for typo)

Do we know for sure that the harness was wet?

 

[PS8800]

Huge respect to the Moderators.

My feeling is that she ended up in the water as the result of an accident. I hope the search teams find her so that, as sad as it is, she can at least go home, and there can be some degree of closure for the family.

But for some reason, I am not optimistic. This reminds me a little of the Corrie McKeague case, in which the landfill he should have been found in was searched extensively and yet his remains were not located. Which settles nothing and leaves everyone involved in an agonising state of not knowing for sure.

Because mis-adventure is a hard pill to swallow...it always feels majorly avoidable and is just a little "Final Destination"
Think of similar cases of misadventure that were confirmed as such that could have ended SO differently had there been one small difference. It's tough to accept, so we reach.

 

[penguinface]

Agree but taken with other inconsistencies it's an indication of not-quite-100% attention to detail overall, which is concerning in a case like this. There's no reason to get a detail like that wrong now as we have all seen the CCTV images of what NB was actually wearing. These slips and small errors are all part of the bigger picture. JMO.

I wonder if it’s a regional/local way of saying it, as “socks tucked into jeans” obviously doesn’t really make sense (unless the jeans are turned up at the hem, with the socks tucked into the turn-ups, but that wouldn’t even be visible and would look the same as jeans tucked into socks.)

 

[JosieJo]

Has anyone read how far down river has been searched at all ?
Presumably the potential to have travelled quite a way down by now if in the water?

 

[JeremyBentham]

I keep going around in circles with this case, but there's nothing much new that has come to light since the beginning to really make me think one way or another. I do now have a feeling the police know what happened, and are just waiting on the body to be found to finalise the case :-(

 

[ginnyw]

If LE have any Fitbit data to suggest NB entered the water, what do they have to gain by keeping that confidential ? I'm not saying they don't have data - just trying to work out why not release that info?

I am astounded by the lack of visual help the police are giving out to the public/MSM when doing these press conferences and asking for help. We live (unfortunately) in a quick fix, visual world (there's a reason why Instagram is so popular) so why not some kind of visual presentation clearly showing the lane/road they need still need dashcam footage from? It would make everything so much clearer.

Similarly when describing NB's outfit. Why not use clear pictures of the clothes or better still produce some exact replicas.....in last Fridays press conference LE asked for the public to pay special attention to the clothes NB was wearing.....

I think that if the police truly believed that there was a criminal element to this investigation, they would have released better, clearer and more photos of both NB and the clothes she was wearing on the day (or similar clothes). At least, I would like to hope that's what they would have done.

 

[EvaP]

I was shocked when I heard 700 vehicles, doesn’t that seem incredibly high for a village road? Is that over the space of an hour or what? Which would be 11 cars a minute? Or over a smaller length of time?

No I live in a village and they’re rat runs at peak times. In fact I think that’s low.