UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #14

[esther43]

Where’d you get that Esther? The guilty as charged texts?

No, I'm getting it from my experience of how a person, who might want to take the relationship to a more romantic level might not act. E.g the rejection of the cheese roll, the lift, the chocolate, the trying to sign off the text messages saying she can't wait to get home to avoid him potentially angling for a further invite. Those sorts of things. But yes, happy to confess to finding these events in a level 2 neonatal unit as suspicious from the off. Not normal to anyone who knows the specialism.

 

[Cardgame]

It's worded as if just hearing them talking about what had happened to Baby P was what made her faint, rather than having blood taken.

Letby replied: “Yes just got back. I made a fool of myself whilst there.”

The doctor, who was also involved in the resuscitation efforts, said: “I asked them to be quick for you. How did you make a fool of yourself?”

Letby responded: “They said someone had asked for me to been seen asap and they knew what had happened today.

“Everyone talking about it whilst I was there. I fainted.”

The doctor asked: “Oh are you OK now?”

Letby replied: “Bit shaky but OK. Writing my notes. They were reluctant to let me go as on my own.”

Lucy Letby 'fainted after she and fellow medics could not revive baby'

NURSE Lucy Letby fainted at work after she and fellow medics could not revive a baby boy, her murder trial has heard.

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

Makes you wonder if they were talking about the deaths being suspicious.

 

[Cardgame]

Half-brothers, I think, and probably significantly older.

If the case, and I agree it does seem likely, it is v interesting that she would describe herself as an only child.

 

[Tortoise]

Makes you wonder if they were talking about the deaths being suspicious.

yes that might send her into a spin. being out of the unit she loses the ability to watch who is saying what and how staff are reacting. It was then that the parents kicked up a storm and said they would take the third triplet away themselves if the transport team didn't take him. That would have been quite extraordinary in itself, and it was that night also that Dr Brearey called her in and asked her if she should take the next day off and then called the nursing executive. Wish we knew what order it all happened in, with the visit to A&E and the lift home.

IMO

 

[ColourPurple]

No, I'm getting it from my experience of how a person, who might want to take the relationship to a more romantic level might not act. E.g the rejection of the cheese roll, the lift, the chocolate, the trying to sign off the text messages saying she can't wait to get home to avoid him potentially angling for a further invite. Those sorts of things. But yes, happy to confess to finding these events in a level 2 neonatal unit as suspicious from the off. Not normal to anyone who knows the specialism.

But then on the other hand she thanks him for the lift so she did accept this time, and she's taying up till 1 in the morning chatting to him and saying Booo " when he's nt gonna be on the NNU and joking about them both taking a sicky and going home.

 

[ColourPurple]

Makes you wonder if they were talking about the deaths being suspicious.

Good point. That would certainly make her panic, if guilty.

IMO

 

[ColourPurple]

If the case, and I agree it does seem likely, it is v interesting that she would describe herself as an only child.

The papers have described her as an only child too though and they'd normally know if there were siblings.

 

[katydid23]

Didn't Dr Breary say she wasn't upset or bothered about the death of child P? But now we hear she fainted.

But the fainting may have been from the needle stick up, or the chaos and lack of food/drink, or her hearing about the mother demanding to take her surviving baby away, or?

 

[Dotta]

But the fainting may have been from the needle stick up, or the chaos and lack of food/drink, or her hearing about the mother demanding to take her surviving baby away, or?

Losing control over the narrative.
JMO

 

[ColourPurple]

But the fainting may have been from the needle stick up, or the chaos and lack of food/drink, or her hearing about the mother demanding to take her surviving baby away, or?

Yeah the headline made it sound like she'd fainted the minute she realised they couldn't save Baby P and was related to that. When it seems it was actually related to people talking about the death while she was in A&E for her blood tests.

 

[Dotta]

But hey,
She (allegedly) quickly perked up, no?

Judging by her "confident stare" given to a Consultant.

And then Baby Q happened

And all hell broke loose!

And the rest is history.

Hummingbird started his concert.

JMO

 

[squish]

“So sad. The family thanked me when I took (Child P) in dressed. And I know age doesn’t make it any easier/harder but such a lot to go through at a young age.”

The doctor said: “I don’t know how it would be possible to get over losing a child, let alone 2.”

Letby responded with a crying emoji and wrote: “Think my head may explode…”

Lucy Letby 'fainted after she and fellow medics could not revive baby'

NURSE Lucy Letby fainted at work after she and fellow medics could not revive a baby boy, her murder trial has heard.

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

Is she saying they were young parents? If so, how bloody heartbreaking to suffer that kind of loss so young. And to have the frame of mind to demand they take your surviving baby out of the hospital.

If LL is guilty of all this, she's an absolute monster!

IMO

I assumed she was actually talking about the babies. But this makes perfect sense: she never talks about the babies’ suffering or their experiences as little people in their own right.

She doesn’t seem to see them as sentient.

 

[squish]

Because we have nothing to compare it to - ie. we have no knowledge of how she behaves/responds towards someone she's romantically interested in - it's impossible to say really, isn't it?

What is fairly clear though imo is that almost all Dr Choc's txts and responses leave ample room for someone interested to reciprocate in kind but she never does.

Yes she’s just flattered and is stringing him along, and enjoying the perks of having a doctor colleague fancying her and looking out for her. She doesn’t like him back but is just about keeping his hopes up to continue benefitting from his attention.

She is like Carly from the Inbetweeners and Dr Choc is like Simon.

 

[Dotta]

She is like Carly from the Inbetweeners and Dr Choc is like Simon.

I have no idea who this Carly is haha
But...
I get what you mean

 

[esther43]

I’m anticipating levels of weirdness that one wouldn’t expect if she is guilty. People keep asking about envy, power etc im betting it’s not. Not psychopathy nor munchausens, the reason if any is going to be so nuanced and what you wouldn’t expect it’ll blow your head off. It will be if any seriously weird.

I assumed she was actually talking about the babies. But this makes perfect sense: she never talks about the babies’ suffering or their experiences as little people in their own right.

She doesn’t seem to see them as sentient.

I just can't get my head around it. When BA commited similar offences to those that are being alleged, you could almost see the 'naughty kid' in her and in the end she didn't seem that bothered that she'd been caught she was still buzzing from the attention.
LL on the other hand with all this 'they looked beautiful together' makes me quite concerned.
Not because dead babies can't be beautiful because they can but usually once a baby is seen alive and well, then that is their beautiful state.
I have cradled a baby that has never taken a breath and I will tell his mother all the time he was beautiful. But I have also seen a nine month old baby take her last breaths. When I think of that child's beauty, I think of the period of time she was living, not the hours I spent with her when she passed.

 

[esther43]

Yes she’s just flattered and is stringing him along, and enjoying the perks of having a doctor colleague fancying her and looking out for her. She doesn’t like him back but is just about keeping his hopes up to continue benefitting from his attention.

She is like Carly from the Inbetweeners and Dr Choc is like Simon.

Yes This!

 

[esther43]

Makes you wonder if they were talking about the deaths being suspicious.

Dr choc.. from hero to zero.

 

[ColourPurple]

I just can't get my head around it. When BA commited similar offences to those that are being alleged, you could almost see the 'naughty kid' in her and in the end she didn't seem that bothered that she'd been caught she was still buzzing from the attention.
LL on the other hand with all this 'they looked beautiful together' makes me quite concerned.
Not because dead babies can't be beautiful because they can but usually once a baby is seen alive and well, then that is their beautiful state.
I have cradled a baby that has never taken a breath and I will tell his mother all the time he was beautiful. But I have also seen a nine month old baby take her last breaths. When I think of that child's beauty, I think of the period of time she was living, not the hours I spent with her when she passed.

One article quoted her as saying beautiful , the others have said peaceful. Maybe she said both. It reminds me of the sympathy card she sent that said "your loved one will be remembered with many smiles".

 

[WaxLyrical]

One article quoted her as saying beautiful , the others have said peaceful. Maybe she said both. It reminds me of the sympathy card she sent that said "your loved one will be remembered with many smiles".

I feel like this is what you’d write after googling “what to write in a sympathy card”

 

[ColourPurple]

I feel like this is what you’d write after googling “what to write in a sympathy card”

That line was printed on thecard. Though why you'd pick that for a baby that had died tragically young I don't know.

But your post does IMO apply to some of the words she actually did write:

There are no words to make this time any easier. It was a real priviledge (sic) to care for (Child I) and get to know you as a family - a family who always put (Child I) first and did everything possible for her. She will always be a part of your lives and we will never forget her. Thinking of you today and always - sorry I cannot be there to say goodbye. Lots of love Lucy x'

Pictured: The sympathy card nurse Lucy Letby wrote to grieving parents

She is accused of killing the premature-born infant, known as Child I, in the early hours of October 23, 2015, which the Crown say was the fourth attempt to take her life.

www.dailymail.co.uk

ALL IMO