I'm wondering if the pricked finger came during all of this scene. I know it said during resus, but I'm finding it hard to place her visit to A&E with all that was going on with dressing the babies too, before the transfer. JMOHer speech would have been most professional.
Her eyes would have conveyed her terror to the transporting doctor.
The sobbing begging father clinched it.
If guilty (which as we all know, she is currently innocent until proven otherwise) and this is all my own opinion of course. I imagine being a serial killer isn’t sustainable and largely down to whatever mental issue you have to have to be one. Lots of serial killers get to a point where they lose that self preservation, they lose that control and they just suddenly do things that get them caught.Shocking evidence we're hearing. Clearly the strongest evidence was always going to be for these last 3 cases, as it was so strong that it resulted in LL being taken off duty even though management were clearly very much not wanting to do this. If guilty, the thrill she got from attacking these babies must have been intense to override the obvious risk to herself in being so brazen as to attack 3 babies in 3 nights, and healthy ones at that. Comparatively speaking, if guilty, she was more careful in the months before, varying the methods, spacing them out more, attacking babies that were more unwell. I think if she hadn't been so brazen as to kill 2/3 triplets and attack another baby on successive nights, then she would have remained on the unit for a lot longer.
Exactly. I have always thought these last 3 babies were indicative of her, allegedly, acting compulsively, and in a very risky manner. It was different than before. Like something escalated somehow?Shocking evidence we're hearing. Clearly the strongest evidence was always going to be for these last 3 cases, as it was so strong that it resulted in LL being taken off duty even though management were clearly very much not wanting to do this. If guilty, the thrill she got from attacking these babies must have been intense to override the obvious risk to herself in being so brazen as to attack 3 babies in 3 nights, and healthy ones at that. Comparatively speaking, if guilty, she was more careful in the months before, varying the methods, spacing them out more, attacking babies that were more unwell. I think if she hadn't been so brazen as to kill 2/3 triplets and attack another baby on successive nights, then she would have remained on the unit for a lot longer.
I genuinely think that without the dr, the transport team wouldn’t have entertained it. My memory is terrible but I’m sure, was there not a mother who wanted to transfer her care to another hospital and was refused? We also see lots of babies transferring out and then coming back to coch, so I assume it’s not super common for babies to go home from arrowe park (or higher level baby care facilities)?Her speech would have been most professional.
Her eyes would have conveyed her terror to the transporting doctor.
The sobbing begging father clinched it.
We are going USA style, objection your honour! I think the witness was potentially implying something connected to the death toll in 2025-16 that's not part of the cases we've heard so far.IDK for sure---but I think the judge might be saying, don't testify to that here and now, there are other ways to bring in those broader conclusions----like during re-direct or in closing arguments or ?
We are going USA style, objection your honour! I think the witness was potentially implying something connected to the death toll in 2025-16 that's not part of the cases we've heard so far.
Could be to to do with suspicious activity relating to other deaths in the same time frame or relating to the decreased death toll since going to admin.
I genuinely think that without the dr, the transport team wouldn’t have entertained it. My memory is terrible but I’m sure, was there not a mother who wanted to transfer her care to another hospital and was refused? We also see lots of babies transferring out and then coming back to coch, so I assume it’s not super common for babies to go home from arrowe park (or higher level baby care facilities)?
It's clear you guys don't think it's the case she is remembering she was more shocked than she was at the time. That's fine, we all interpret what we read differently.
As I said, this is just my opinion based on my experience in my psychology studies of what we learnt can be the case with recall in court cases.
I genuinely think that without the dr, the transport team wouldn’t have entertained it. My memory is terrible but I’m sure, was there not a mother who wanted to transfer her care to another hospital and was refused? We also see lots of babies transferring out and then coming back to coch, so I assume it’s not super common for babies to go home from arrowe park (or higher level baby care facilities)?
It's clear you guys don't think it's the case she is remembering she was more shocked than she was at the time. That's fine, we all interpret what we read differently.
As I said, this is just my opinion based on my experience in my psychology studies of what we learnt can be the case with recall in court cases.
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We're now back after a short break for lunch. Dr Oliver Rackham is now in the witness box. He was part of the transport team from Arrowe Park Hospital (he was overseeing the transport of Child P to the hospital before his death)
'Just thinking out loud here'. My heart breaks to think of the parents of the surviving triplet, for the rest of their lives everything their surviving triplet does they will always think ''There should be another two children with the one enjoying their lives''.
As same for the parents of surviving baby B after losing their other twin.
Of course devastating as well for the parents of the 4 other precious babies LL is accused of killing.
If my memory is right I think it was the mother of the surviving triplet, she asked the transport team to take her with them as well, but they could only take the baby with them. The mother made her way to the other hospital and they kindly admitted her into their care.I genuinely think that without the dr, the transport team wouldn’t have entertained it. My memory is terrible but I’m sure, was there not a mother who wanted to transfer her care to another hospital and was refused? We also see lots of babies transferring out and then coming back to coch, so I assume it’s not super common for babies to go home from arrowe park (or higher level baby care facilities)?