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He’s not leaving here alive, is he? Baby P —ep 25

PART ONE:


In this episode Caroline and Liz examine what the prosecution say happened to Baby P, the second of two identical triplets allegedly murdered by Lucy Letby at the end of June 2016. The nurse is accused of killing him 23 hours after his brother, by injecting air into his feeding tube and tummy.

Baby P, eldest triplet
The babies were incredibly rare as they were conceived naturally and were identical
All 3 were good weight @ 4 lbs each, and were healthy.


But sadly Baby O died June 23rd, when he was just a few days old,
Letby allegedly attacked him 3x, injecting him with air and inflicting a traumatic liver injury that led to collapses and his death.

And within just a couple of hours of the death of baby O, it’s alleged Lucy Letby began harming his brother Baby P so because the doctors on the unit had been left shocked and confused about what had caused the death of Baby O , they decided to review both surviving baby triplets, Baby P and his brother.


The jury heard that around 6 pm, so within a few minutes of Baby O’s death, Dr John Gibbs who was on duty examined Baby P. He ordered blood tests, an x-ray and also put him on a course of antibiotics, in case he had an infection.


Lucy Letby was still on duty, and according to the notes, she fed Baby P via tube thru his nose and administered some fluids around the same time —at half seven in the evening, she handed the care of Baby P over to nurse Sophie Ellis, who was on the night shift, but Lucy remained on the unit, writing up notes on Baby O—

And this is significant the prosecution say because at some point between then and 8 pm she allegedly, deliberately injected air into baby P’s feeding tube.



The court heard that the x-ray ordered by Dr Gibbs which was taken shortly after 8 pm showed gas throughout his gut . Dr Owen Arthur’s an expert radiologist at Great Ormond Street hospital was called and gave evidence that this was unusual.

Dr Arthur said infection or a bowel condition in premature babies could potentially explain the air, but he added that another alternative was gas had been administrated down his feeding tube

Over the course of the evening jurors were told Baby P had a couple of episodes where his oxygen levels fell and his heart was low but he was still breathing for himself and he wasn’t poorly

So that night nurse Alice was looking after Baby P, and she gave evidence she tried to give him milk via his feeding tube in his nose every 2 hours but the court heard he was having problems digesting his milk so a decision was taken to temporarily stop his feeds and to closely monitor him.

Now the triplets parents were staying overnight at the hospital but his mother told the court that after losing baby O they barely slept and were feeling anxious for their other two boys

They were awake at 6 am and decided to go and check on their sons.

Nurse Alice told the court she’d withdrawn air from Baby P’s feeding tube at around the same time.
But his tummy was soft, and not swollen, his temperature, breathing and heart rate were also within normal limits and at

7:30 am Lucy Letby came on duty for her shift
Letby was asked to care for baby P who was being looked after in nursery 2.


Christopher Booth, another experienced nurse who was looking after the other triplet,who isn’t part of the case, in the same nursery.

The shift leader, Catherine Percival Calderbank, gave evidence that she put nurse Booth in nursery 2 with Lucy Letby to give her extra support because of what happened to Baby O the day before.

But she also told the court that in general Lucy Letby preferred being in nurseries one and two with the most poorly babies

Nurse Percival called about said Lucy told me it was boring in the other nurseries and she didnt just want to feed babies.

so Lucy Letby just had baby P to look after on this shift and at around 9:30 am, at around 2 hours after she came on duty, registrar Dr Tony Udoko reviewed baby P on his ward round

He noted that baby P’s abdomen was swollen. He also had slightly mottled skin but his heart rate and oxygen levels were fine.

But around 10 minutes later, @ 9:40 am, Baby P suffered a serious collapse—his heart rate and oxygen levels plummeted and a call went out for help.


And this is significant because the prosecution case says between Dr Uduco* reviewing Baby P on his ward round and the collapse just 10 minutes later, Lucy Letby injected air into his feeding tube
, which caused his tummy to swell and squash his lungs, prompting a cardiac arrest

* I am not sure of the correct spelling, I cannot understand the speaker---it sounds like Udoco or Uroko ? or ?

Dr Uroko quickly returned to his bedside and he said one of the nurses —he couldn’t remember which one—asked if Dr A, the doctor who Lucy Letby had a close friendship with, could attend

The nurse wanted Dr A in particular he said so Dr A was bleeped and arrived soon afterwards as did Dr B, the senior female consultant on duty

A bag was used to give baby P oxygen and Dr A also decide to put a breathing tube into his mouth so he could be put on a ventilator to help his breathing——but Baby P didn’t respond and @ 9:55 am CPR began


He was also given his 1st shot of adrenaline to help kick start his heart —this was followed by a further 2 doses @ 10:02 and 10:08


Calls were also made to have baby P transferred to a more specialist hospital nearb
He recovered quickly but the court heard that around 11:30 am his oxygen levels fell again.

A note written by Lucy Letby was shown to the jury:
She said his circulation was poor. He remained mottled, his tummy appeared full

CPR was started for a 2nd time [11:40] and a further dose of adrenaline was given

The resuscitation was continued for 6 minutes before his circulation returned and he stabilised

He was also put on an adrenaline drip to try and improve his blood pressure

Dr B told jurors he appeared to recover quickly again and he was fighting against the ventilator so they gave him some medication to paralyse and sedate him


Baby P stabilised and Dr B said that around this time she and colleagues breathed a sigh of relief


She said she thought they were winning because baby P was the best he’d been all day and she was hopeful because the transport time were on their way to take him to the specialist centre

But around this time she remembered Lucy saying something she described as shocking. She told jurors that LL commented that Baby P was not living the Countess alive.


"I remember saying the transport team are going to be here soon, almost thinking out loud...I was literally counting the minutes before they arrived."


Staff nurse Letby said “ He’s not leaving here alive, is he?’


Which I found absolutely shocking art the time.

I turned around and said ’don’t say that.’

All these years , seven years on, that memory is still very much alive in my mind

"We see babies who are very very sick, who are very very unwell even when we know their chances of survival are very poor .personally for me, that’s something I would never let myself think...

It’s that hope that makes you keep trying"




Because baby P had stabilised, Dr B said that she and Dr A decided to go to the tea room on the unit to grab a drink but the kettle hadn’t even had the chance to boil before another staff member called fore them to return to baby P urgently


And when they returned dr B said Lucy Letby WAS WITH BABY P who was crashing


She told the jury she couldn’t remember if anyone else was in the nursery and she said that although he was paralysed [by the meds], it looked as if Baby P had dislodged his breathing tube


So a Dr reintubated Baby P and they began CPR for a third time
[ just after 12 noon]


This time Baby P received five doses of adrenaline in 16 minutes as doctors battled to keep him alive the dose in his adrenaline was also doubled and he was given more medicine for his blood pressure

CPR was eventually stopped after 22 minutes when he recovered again at around 12:50 pm

Dr A told the court there was no clearly identifiable cause for what was going on

“We were managing symptoms as they arose—his difficulty with breathing, low cardiac output, low blood pressure”


Around this time doctors also discovered Baby P had a small puncture in his right lung, and a needle was inserted to try t remove some of the air which was causing his lung to collapse

At about 3 pm Dr A inserted a chest drain to try help resolve the puncture and around the same time the transport team led by experienced neonatologist Dr Oliver Rackham arrived to take Baby P to Liverpool Women’s Hospital

Sadly that never happened because minutes later @ 3:14 pm Baby P collapsed and needed CPR for a fourth and final time.


He was given seven more doses of adrenaline over the course of 39 minutes including a high dose shot of the drug @ 3:35 pm but the court heard there was no response


Doctors struggled for almost 45 minutes to save Baby P but ultimately all attempts to save him were unsuccessful and he died at around 4 pm.
 
Dr Choc had been called to attend the collapse of baby N, and unable to intubate because of alleged throat trauma, which was exactly a week before baby O, baby N happening on her last day before holiday and baby O her first day back from holiday. I think the (alleged) throat traumas would become too obvious and the (alleged) liver trauma could be a sign of LL needing something different and non-apparent at intubation, if she's guilty.
Exactly this. And it would be rather convenient if it looked like the drs caused the death through CPR.
If the case of the prosecution is found to be correct, it would not beyond LL to put someone else in the frame. JMO.
 
Exactly this. And it would be rather convenient if it looked like the drs caused the death through CPR.
If the case of the prosecution is found to be correct, it would not beyond LL to put someone else in the frame. JMO.
That's been on my mind for a little while now. Even more so after finding out that a nurse asked for doctor choc, if she's guilty as alleged.
 
Were any other dead Babies who received resus reported to have liver trauma?
If not, she might have (allegedly) practised a new method.
The infants were tiny so even a squeeze might have caused a damage.
Wasn't Baby O reported to have a red tummy?

JmO
 
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so Lucy Letby just had baby P to look after on this shift and at around 9:30 am, at around 2 hours after she came on duty, registrar Dr Tony Udoko reviewed baby P on his ward round

He noted that baby P’s abdomen was swollen. He also had slightly mottled skin but his heart rate and oxygen levels were fine.

But around 10 minutes later, @ 9:40 am, Baby P suffered a serious collapse—his heart rate and oxygen levels plummeted and a call went out for help.


And this is significant because the prosecution case says between Dr Uduco* reviewing Baby P on his ward round and the collapse just 10 minutes later, Lucy Letby injected air into his feeding tube
, which caused his tummy to swell and squash his lungs, prompting a cardiac arrest

* I am not sure of the correct spelling, I cannot understand the speaker---it sounds like Udoco or Uroko ? or ?

Dr Uroko quickly returned to his bedside and he said one of the nurses —he couldn’t remember which one—asked if Dr A, the doctor who Lucy Letby had a close friendship with, could attend

The nurse wanted Dr A in particular he said so Dr A was bleeped and arrived soon afterwards as did Dr B, the senior female consultant on duty

A bag was used to give baby P oxygen and Dr A also decide to put a breathing tube into his mouth so he could be put on a ventilator to help his breathing——but Baby P didn’t respond and @ 9:55 am CPR began


He was also given his 1st shot of adrenaline to help kick start his heart —this was followed by a further 2 doses @ 10:02 and 10:08


Calls were also made to have baby P transferred to a more specialist hospital nearb
He recovered quickly but the court heard that around 11:30 am his oxygen levels fell again.

A note written by Lucy Letby was shown to the jury:
She said his circulation was poor. He remained mottled, his tummy appeared full

CPR was started for a 2nd time [11:40] and a further dose of adrenaline was given

The resuscitation was continued for 6 minutes before his circulation returned and he stabilised

He was also put on an adrenaline drip to try and improve his blood pressure

Dr B told jurors he appeared to recover quickly again and he was fighting against the ventilator so they gave him some medication to paralyse and sedate him


Baby P stabilised and Dr B said that around this time she and colleagues breathed a sigh of relief


She said she thought they were winning because baby P was the best he’d been all day and she was hopeful because the transport time were on their way to take him to the specialist centre

But around this time she remembered Lucy saying something she described as shocking. She told jurors that LL commented that Baby P was not living the Countess alive.


"I remember saying the transport team are going to be here soon, almost thinking out loud...I was literally counting the minutes before they arrived."


Staff nurse Letby said “ He’s not leaving here alive, is he?’


Which I found absolutely shocking art the time.

I turned around and said ’don’t say that.’

All these years , seven years on, that memory is still very much alive in my mind

"We see babies who are very very sick, who are very very unwell even when we know their chances of survival are very poor .personally for me, that’s something I would never let myself think...

It’s that hope that makes you keep trying"




Because baby P had stabilised, Dr B said that she and Dr A decided to go to the tea room on the unit to grab a drink but the kettle hadn’t even had the chance to boil before another staff member called fore them to return to baby P urgently


And when they returned dr B said Lucy Letby WAS WITH BABY P who was crashing


She told the jury she couldn’t remember if anyone else was in the nursery and she said that although he was paralysed [by the meds], it looked as if Baby P had dislodged his breathing tube


So a Dr reintubated Baby P and they began CPR for a third time
[ just after 12 noon]


This time Baby P received five doses of adrenaline in 16 minutes as doctors battled to keep him alive the dose in his adrenaline was also doubled and he was given more medicine for his blood pressure

CPR was eventually stopped after 22 minutes when he recovered again at around 12:50 pm

Dr A told the court there was no clearly identifiable cause for what was going on

“We were managing symptoms as they arose—his difficulty with breathing, low cardiac output, low blood pressure”


Around this time doctors also discovered Baby P had a small puncture in his right lung, and a needle was inserted to try t remove some of the air which was causing his lung to collapse

At about 3 pm Dr A inserted a chest drain to try help resolve the puncture and around the same time the transport team led by experienced neonatologist Dr Oliver Rackham arrived to take Baby P to Liverpool Women’s Hospital

Sadly that never happened because minutes later @ 3:14 pm Baby P collapsed and needed CPR for a fourth and final time.


He was given seven more doses of adrenaline over the course of 39 minutes including a high dose shot of the drug @ 3:35 pm but the court heard there was no response


Doctors struggled for almost 45 minutes to save Baby P but ultimately all attempts to save him were unsuccessful and he died at around 4 pm.


Thanks for doing a transcript. Much appreciated!

It does sound like if it was LL who requested Dr A to the Dr who had turned up, then she probably wouldn't have expected the female doctor to have come with too. Then not only does he turn up with her but he then leaves LL to go off to get a cup of tea with her. All perfectly normal behaviour of course, but if guilty, and if LL had requested Dr A, and was only interested in his presence then I can't imagine she'd have been happy with him bringing the female doctor along too.

All IMO, if guilty etc
 
Were any other dead Babies who received resus reported to have liver trauma?
If not, she might have (allegedly) practised a new method.
The infants were tiny so even a squeeze might have caused a damage.
Wasn't Baby O reported to have a red tummy?

JmO


If the liver was bruised but not damaged enough to cause internal bleeding, then I think we would only know about about it from the post mortems of the babies who died. Of those who had had them it seems the triplets were the only two. But that's not to say that surviving babies didn't also have some minor liver damage that was never picked up on.

IMO
 
Were any other dead Babies who received resus reported to have liver trauma?
If not, she might have (allegedly) practised a new method.
The infants were tiny so even a squeeze might have caused a damage.
Wasn't Baby O reported to have a red tummy?

JmO
Yes

This is the sequence

2.39pm LL entered the ward

around 2.40pm Baby O collapsed and LL called doctor choc. I don't think he was given CPR but he was given oxygen. LL's notes said red abdomen, doctor's notes didn't.

3.03pm Dr choc moved baby to room 1 and intubated him.

Doctor choc then went to fetch the parents after he'd put baby on the ventilator and LL was left alone with baby O at this time.

3.44pm Baby O crashed again and doctor was bleeped

4.15pm A doctor records a further collapse at 4.15pm, and chest compressions commence.



Doc's notes for the 2.40pm collapse: 'Called to see [Child O] at [about] 1440. Desaturation, bradycardia and mottled. Bagged up and transferred to Nursery 1. Neopuff requirement in 100% oxygen...'

LL's notes said: 'Approx 1440 [Child O] had a profound desaturation to 30s followed by bradycardia. Mottled++ and abdomen red and distended...'
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Wednesday, March 8


"Letby agreed she had been caring for Baby O alone at the time a registrar – the one she was frequently messaging on Facebook at the time – had gone to speak to his parents."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...eam-nurse-Lucy-Letby-medical-expert-says.html
 
9:05am

This is the 22nd week of the trial.
Today, the prosecution is expected to begin delivering evidence into the case of Child Q, the final of 17 babies that the Crown allege Lucy Letby murdered or attempted to murder between June 2015 and June 2016.
The defence deny this.

LIVE: Lucy Letby trial, Friday, March 31

I've got a busy day today so I won't be consistently available to post the updates from Chester Standard, if anyone else wants to do them it will be much appreciated.
 
9:05am

This is the 22nd week of the trial.
Today, the prosecution is expected to begin delivering evidence into the case of Child Q, the final of 17 babies that the Crown allege Lucy Letby murdered or attempted to murder between June 2015 and June 2016.
The defence deny this.

LIVE: Lucy Letby trial, Friday, March 31

I've got a busy day today so I won't be consistently available to post the updates from Chester Standard, if anyone else wants to do them it will be much appreciated.
I should be able to do them today :)
 


He’s not leaving here alive, is he? Baby P —ep 25

PART ONE:


In this episode Caroline and Liz examine what the prosecution say happened to Baby P, the second of two identical triplets allegedly murdered by Lucy Letby at the end of June 2016. The nurse is accused of killing him 23 hours after his brother, by injecting air into his feeding tube and tummy.

Baby P, eldest triplet
The babies were incredibly rare as they were conceived naturally and were identical
All 3 were good weight @ 4 lbs each, and were healthy.


But sadly Baby O died June 23rd, when he was just a few days old,
Letby allegedly attacked him 3x, injecting him with air and inflicting a traumatic liver injury that led to collapses and his death.

And within just a couple of hours of the death of baby O, it’s alleged Lucy Letby began harming his brother Baby P so because the doctors on the unit had been left shocked and confused about what had caused the death of Baby O , they decided to review both surviving baby triplets, Baby P and his brother.


The jury heard that around 6 pm, so within a few minutes of Baby O’s death, Dr John Gibbs who was on duty examined Baby P. He ordered blood tests, an x-ray and also put him on a course of antibiotics, in case he had an infection.


Lucy Letby was still on duty, and according to the notes, she fed Baby P via tube thru his nose and administered some fluids around the same time —at half seven in the evening, she handed the care of Baby P over to nurse Sophie Ellis, who was on the night shift, but Lucy remained on the unit, writing up notes on Baby O—

And this is significant the prosecution say because at some point between then and 8 pm she allegedly, deliberately injected air into baby P’s feeding tube.



The court heard that the x-ray ordered by Dr Gibbs which was taken shortly after 8 pm showed gas throughout his gut . Dr Owen Arthur’s an expert radiologist at Great Ormond Street hospital was called and gave evidence that this was unusual.

Dr Arthur said infection or a bowel condition in premature babies could potentially explain the air, but he added that another alternative was gas had been administrated down his feeding tube

Over the course of the evening jurors were told Baby P had a couple of episodes where his oxygen levels fell and his heart was low but he was still breathing for himself and he wasn’t poorly

So that night nurse Alice was looking after Baby P, and she gave evidence she tried to give him milk via his feeding tube in his nose every 2 hours but the court heard he was having problems digesting his milk so a decision was taken to temporarily stop his feeds and to closely monitor him.

Now the triplets parents were staying overnight at the hospital but his mother told the court that after losing baby O they barely slept and were feeling anxious for their other two boys

They were awake at 6 am and decided to go and check on their sons.

Nurse Alice told the court she’d withdrawn air from Baby P’s feeding tube at around the same time.
But his tummy was soft, and not swollen, his temperature, breathing and heart rate were also within normal limits and at

7:30 am Lucy Letby came on duty for her shift
Letby was asked to care for baby P who was being looked after in nursery 2.


Christopher Booth, another experienced nurse who was looking after the other triplet,who isn’t part of the case, in the same nursery.

The shift leader, Catherine Percival Calderbank, gave evidence that she put nurse Booth in nursery 2 with Lucy Letby to give her extra support because of what happened to Baby O the day before.

But she also told the court that in general Lucy Letby preferred being in nurseries one and two with the most poorly babies

Nurse Percival called about said Lucy told me it was boring in the other nurseries and she didnt just want to feed babies.

so Lucy Letby just had baby P to look after on this shift and at around 9:30 am, at around 2 hours after she came on duty, registrar Dr Tony Udoko reviewed baby P on his ward round

He noted that baby P’s abdomen was swollen. He also had slightly mottled skin but his heart rate and oxygen levels were fine.

But around 10 minutes later, @ 9:40 am, Baby P suffered a serious collapse—his heart rate and oxygen levels plummeted and a call went out for help.


And this is significant because the prosecution case says between Dr Uduco* reviewing Baby P on his ward round and the collapse just 10 minutes later, Lucy Letby injected air into his feeding tube
, which caused his tummy to swell and squash his lungs, prompting a cardiac arrest

* I am not sure of the correct spelling, I cannot understand the speaker---it sounds like Udoco or Uroko ? or ?

Dr Uroko quickly returned to his bedside and he said one of the nurses —he couldn’t remember which one—asked if Dr A, the doctor who Lucy Letby had a close friendship with, could attend

The nurse wanted Dr A in particular he said so Dr A was bleeped and arrived soon afterwards as did Dr B, the senior female consultant on duty

A bag was used to give baby P oxygen and Dr A also decide to put a breathing tube into his mouth so he could be put on a ventilator to help his breathing——but Baby P didn’t respond and @ 9:55 am CPR began


He was also given his 1st shot of adrenaline to help kick start his heart —this was followed by a further 2 doses @ 10:02 and 10:08


Calls were also made to have baby P transferred to a more specialist hospital nearb
He recovered quickly but the court heard that around 11:30 am his oxygen levels fell again.

A note written by Lucy Letby was shown to the jury:
She said his circulation was poor. He remained mottled, his tummy appeared full

CPR was started for a 2nd time [11:40] and a further dose of adrenaline was given

The resuscitation was continued for 6 minutes before his circulation returned and he stabilised

He was also put on an adrenaline drip to try and improve his blood pressure

Dr B told jurors he appeared to recover quickly again and he was fighting against the ventilator so they gave him some medication to paralyse and sedate him


Baby P stabilised and Dr B said that around this time she and colleagues breathed a sigh of relief


She said she thought they were winning because baby P was the best he’d been all day and she was hopeful because the transport time were on their way to take him to the specialist centre

But around this time she remembered Lucy saying something she described as shocking. She told jurors that LL commented that Baby P was not living the Countess alive.


"I remember saying the transport team are going to be here soon, almost thinking out loud...I was literally counting the minutes before they arrived."


Staff nurse Letby said “ He’s not leaving here alive, is he?’


Which I found absolutely shocking art the time.

I turned around and said ’don’t say that.’

All these years , seven years on, that memory is still very much alive in my mind

"We see babies who are very very sick, who are very very unwell even when we know their chances of survival are very poor .personally for me, that’s something I would never let myself think...

It’s that hope that makes you keep trying"




Because baby P had stabilised, Dr B said that she and Dr A decided to go to the tea room on the unit to grab a drink but the kettle hadn’t even had the chance to boil before another staff member called fore them to return to baby P urgently


And when they returned dr B said Lucy Letby WAS WITH BABY P who was crashing


She told the jury she couldn’t remember if anyone else was in the nursery and she said that although he was paralysed [by the meds], it looked as if Baby P had dislodged his breathing tube


So a Dr reintubated Baby P and they began CPR for a third time
[ just after 12 noon]


This time Baby P received five doses of adrenaline in 16 minutes as doctors battled to keep him alive the dose in his adrenaline was also doubled and he was given more medicine for his blood pressure

CPR was eventually stopped after 22 minutes when he recovered again at around 12:50 pm

Dr A told the court there was no clearly identifiable cause for what was going on

“We were managing symptoms as they arose—his difficulty with breathing, low cardiac output, low blood pressure”


Around this time doctors also discovered Baby P had a small puncture in his right lung, and a needle was inserted to try t remove some of the air which was causing his lung to collapse

At about 3 pm Dr A inserted a chest drain to try help resolve the puncture and around the same time the transport team led by experienced neonatologist Dr Oliver Rackham arrived to take Baby P to Liverpool Women’s Hospital

Sadly that never happened because minutes later @ 3:14 pm Baby P collapsed and needed CPR for a fourth and final time.


He was given seven more doses of adrenaline over the course of 39 minutes including a high dose shot of the drug @ 3:35 pm but the court heard there was no response


Doctors struggled for almost 45 minutes to save Baby P but ultimately all attempts to save him were unsuccessful and he died at around 4 pm.
Thank you for sharing this. Another with an alleged dislodged breathing tube whilst sedated. I know they couldn’t be certain baby K was sedated or not. But isn’t it odd that baby Ks breathing tube was dislodged aswell - as heard in evidence by dr J
 
Yes

This is the sequence

2.39pm LL entered the ward

around 2.40pm Baby O collapsed and LL called doctor choc. I don't think he was given CPR but he was given oxygen. LL's notes said red abdomen, doctor's notes didn't.

3.03pm Dr choc moved baby to room 1 and intubated him.

Doctor choc then went to fetch the parents after he'd put baby on the ventilator and LL was left alone with baby O at this time.

3.44pm Baby O crashed again and doctor was bleeped

4.15pm A doctor records a further collapse at 4.15pm, and chest compressions commence.



Doc's notes for the 2.40pm collapse: 'Called to see [Child O] at [about] 1440. Desaturation, bradycardia and mottled. Bagged up and transferred to Nursery 1. Neopuff requirement in 100% oxygen...'

LL's notes said: 'Approx 1440 [Child O] had a profound desaturation to 30s followed by bradycardia. Mottled++ and abdomen red and distended...'
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Wednesday, March 8


"Letby agreed she had been caring for Baby O alone at the time a registrar – the one she was frequently messaging on Facebook at the time – had gone to speak to his parents."
Baby killed with injection of air by nurse Letby, medical expert says
Just to point out the possibility that the red abdomen not noticed/noted by the doctor may not have been there when doctor saw the baby, and could theoretically have happened after he left to get the parents, because her notes weren't written up until late that evening. Also Dr Brearey saw the baby when he was being intubated and he didn't note it either.
 
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Just to point out the possibility that the red abdomen not noticed/noted by the doctor may not have been there when doctor saw the baby, and could theoretically have happened after he left to get the parents, because her notes weren't written up until late that evening.


I know it's not unusual for the notes to be written up later, but if guilty it does give her control of the narrative, and gives her the opportunity to add, omit or "tweak" details to fit her version of events. Would she have been able to see all the doctors' notes at his point too?

IMO if guilty etc
 
I know it's not unusual for the notes to be written up later, but if guilty it does give her control of the narrative, and gives her the opportunity to add, omit or "tweak" details to fit her version of events. Would she have been able to see all the doctors' notes at his point too?

IMO if guilty etc
I don't know if she can view the doctor's notes, would be interesting to know that.
 
10:32am

The prosecution allege Lucy Letby attempted to murder Child Q on Saturday, June 25, 2016, one day after Child P died and two days after Child O died.
It was the penultimate week Letby was working as a neonatal unit nurse at the Countess of Chester Hospital.

10:33am

The prosecution begin the case of Child Q, a baby boy.
A statement is read from Child Q's mother.

10:38am


She said Child Q was born on June 22, 2016 at 04.09am.
She describes her pregnancy as "difficult" and pushed for a 9-week scan at the Countess of Chester Hospital.
Outside the womb, a problem was found. One twin was inside the womb, the other was outside the womb. She was sent for surgery and Child Q's twin was removed.
Child Q was born at 31 weeks + 3 days gestation. The mother had a heavy bleed and had to have emergency surgery. She was not able to see her son for 12 hours after the operation.
Child Q was admitted to the neonatal unit in room 1 as he had problems with his breathing, the court hears.


 
10:40am

The mother said she was not able to hold Child Q, but able to put her hands in the side of the incubator. When she talked to him, he opened his eyes for the first time.
The following day, Child Q had a feeding tube, off breathing support, but at the end of the day, she was told he would have to go back on breathing support, which made her upset.
She says at no point were they told Child Q had a collapse, and believed the staff would try and 'play things down' in regard to his situation.
At one week of age, Child Q was transferred to Alder Hey for a potential procedure to have part of his bowel removed, although this was not required ultimately.

10:45am

Child Q has 'been in and out of hospital' several times a year since as he has a weakened immune system, the mother adds.
The father's statement says his wife had a "very difficult pregnancy", and was in and out of hospital every six weeks, and taken in at 26 weeks due to 'very heavy bleeding.'
She was stabilised and put in the women and children's building at the hospital, and would have a number of bleeds.
At 31weeks +3 days, the father received a phone call telling him the mother was going into labour. He was not allowed to attend the birth due to the mother's condition.
He saw Child Q when Child Q was being transferred to the neonatal unit, and "he was tiny". The mother was still under anaesthetic.

10:50am

At one afternoon, the father went to visit Child Q and was prevented entry by staff. He was told: "There was nothing to worry about", Child Q had a 'chest infection', and the unit was 'screened off and shut down'.
He returned to the mother, and they decided to go to the neonatal unit together.
He said the staff told them they were running some tests. Later, the parents were allowed to return to the neonatal unit. They asked a doctor what had happened and Child Q had had a 'blip', was 'tired', and needed breathing support.
Within the following couple of weeks, the parents were told Child Q had a 'serious bowel infection' and awaiting an ambulance to transfer to Alder Hey. By the time Child Q went to Alder Hey, he had recovered.
He returned to the Countess and recovered 'really well', progressing through the neonatal unit nursery rooms.
Child Q was later diagnosed with cerebral palsy and still had bowel issues, but was 'coping well'.



 
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