Found Safe UK - Owami Davies, 24, from Chafford Hundred, Essex, last seen in Croydon, Surrey, 6 Jul 2022

Police are also probing a second, unconfirmed, sighting of Owami on at 7.00am July 7 on Clarendon Road, Croydon.




so could that photo - my post # 32 - actually be from the morning of July 7, rather than earlier in the evening of July 6 ?
 
The BBC has now confirmed that Owami did her nursing training at King's College London. I saw that earlier in the week on social media, but of course couldn't post it here based on that.

Owami Davies: Fifth arrest over missing student nurse

KCL nursing students do in fact sometimes get placed at Croydon University Hospital, so although I assume her mother would have known if Owami herself had worked there, it's more than possible that she had friends who did.

Practice Learning Placements | Florence Nightingale Faculty of Nursing, Midwifery & Palliative Care | King’s College London

It's also very possible, likely in fact, that some of her student cohort lived in the Croydon area, since it's very well connected to KCL's Waterloo campus, where the nursing school is located, and the Guy's campus, where a certain amount of teaching goes on.

Waterloo Campus
Guy’s Campus

I'm posting this because up until now there seems to have been an idea perpetuated by the media that she didn't know anyone in Croydon and had no reason to be there, whereas that might not be quite true, fwiw. Of course, she might equally have been there for completely unrelated reasons or for no reason at all.
 
It looks to me a little like it’s been taking from inside a parked car while she’s outside looking into it. Would be intrigued to know if she knows any of those arrested, seems strange that 2 are on suspicion of murder & 2 just on kidnap

Agreed...outside 41 Clarendon Road. As it's a OWS...either looking at the driver or rear offside passenger.

I wonder if it was taken by someone known to OD as they were leaving in a car, possibly earlier in the evening of 6th July.

More concerning though is if it has been recovered from a phone seized from one of those arrested.
 
Police are also probing a second, unconfirmed, sighting of Owami on at 7.00am July 7 on Clarendon Road, Croydon.




so could that photo - my post # 32 - actually be from the morning of July 7, rather than earlier in the evening of July 6 ?
Sunrise was 04:52 on 7th July, so it would have been approximately 05:52 before there was useful light. It's difficult to tell with street lighing (opposite) and possibly interior car lighting but it doesn't look that light....certainly not 07:00 light.
 
Agreed...outside 41 Clarendon Road. As it's a OWS...either looking at the driver or rear offside passenger.

I wonder if it was taken by someone known to OD as they were leaving in a car, possibly earlier in the evening of 6th July.

More concerning though is if it has been recovered from a phone seized from one of those arrested.

Perhaps she was appealing to the occupants of a car for help but because of the state she was in, they didn't feel comfortable getting out of the car and took a photo instead, and then produced it in response to the police appeal for information.

Pretty chilling if so, especially if it was taken the next morning.

JMO
 
Perhaps she was appealing to the occupants of a car for help but because of the state she was in, they didn't feel comfortable getting out of the car and took a photo instead, and then produced it in response to the police appeal for information.

Pretty chilling if so, especially if it was taken the next morning.

JMO
I'm trying to read between the police lines in terms of what the police say and the images they release.

This photo is very unusual as it indicates dome distress from OD. Now this may be to invoke empathy and a sense of disturbance in people to overcome the perceived bias from 'missing white woman syndrome' and to report anything they saw.

The more I look at it the more I think it is from one of the arrested persons phones.....it's just very unusual for police to release any images which show a possible victim in distress. I don't think a friend or an innocent member of the public would take such a photo, they would either help or call for help.

MOO
 
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I just went back and had a look at that picture. She is definitely distressed and if you look closely you can see tear stains on her cheeks.

We’re up to 5 men now? I think we may have an idea of what may have transpired here.

This poor woman.

Another woman walking alone….

What has come of our world?
 
I agree. The police appeals describe her as being "in the company of" a man but personally I would have described it more as "being followed by", unless I'm mistaken about which of them is which (which I may be).

The "in company of" quote implies that the man in the CCTV was known to OD and that they were or had been together.

The CCTV is from a static position, so I think there must be more footage of the two figures than has been released publicly, based on the distance they cover with each image jump. It would be interesting to know if it's been cut just to highlight the vehicles that may have witnessed something, or whether something happened next that's been suppressed for the time being for operational reasons.

It's quite possibly a time lapse recording, i.e. one image taken ever few seconds. Continuous recording takes a lot of memory and requires video functionality rather than still image collection. As with everything the cost/benefit ratio is at play.

I can't find any updates yet on whether the arrested men are still in custody, given there would have to have been a PACE extension by now. The timing of the renewed appeal (more than 24 hours after the third arrest) makes me wonder if the police have lacked enough evidence for a charge.

Once there is enough evidence to charge, interviewing must cease and the arrested person must be charged. The senior investigator will be in close contact with the CPS, discussing the evidence and identifying when the charging threshold has been reached. Once charged no further interviews are allowed, unless it is a voluntary interview at the request of the charged person, which is very unusual.

FWIW.....upon arrival the the Custody Suite the offence and circumstances of the arrest are relayed to the Custody Sergeant, by the arresting officer. The Custody Sergeant then either authorises or refuses detention, i.e. the arrest needs to be lawful

After no more than 6 hours after arrival at the Custody Suite the lawfulness of continued detention and satisfaction that active investigation is taking place, has to be authorised by an Inspector or above, who is not involved in the investigation.

Further reviews are no more that 9 hours after the previous one

Detention beyond 24 hours can be authorised by a Superintendent or above, to a maximum of 36 hours. (I expect that these individuals were released under investigation or police bail some time before the custody clock reached 36 hours)

Continued detention beyond 36 hours and up to a maximum of 96 hours can only be authorised by a Magistrate. The Magistrate will want it shown that the continued detention is lawful, necessary and that the police are actively investigating and not dragging their heels. The full allocation of extension is rarely given in only one appearance in front of the Magistrate.

At 96 hours it's either charge or release without charge.

Terrorism cases have longer time police custody time limits.

Would be intrigued to know if she knows any of those arrested, seems strange that 2 are on suspicion of murder & 2 just on kidnap

Two persons are arrested on suspicion of murder and the police still insist it's still a missing person investigation. This could be police politics in terms of the additional operational demands that kick in if a murder investigation is declared.

For me it's mixed messaging and it would engender more confidence in the police if they were more open and straightforward about what they are doing and why, whilst not undermining the investigation.
 
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I'd say the photo was definitely not from the morning. It appears someone had the lights on in both houses behind Owami. At 7 am. there's no need for extra lighting.


I don’t think it has been reported, officially, as to when the photo was taken.
It could have been earlier on the morning of July 7, when it was not full daylight, before the 7am - alleged - sighting.

However, if that were the case, I would find it very strange for the police not to have majored on this photo as being the last known sighting of Owami.
On that basis I am more inclined to think it is from the evening of July 6.
 
I'm trying to read between the police lines in terms of what the police say and the images they release.

This photo is very unusual as it indicates dome distress from OD. Now this may be to invoke empathy and a sense of disturbance in people to overcome the perceived bias from 'missing white woman syndrome' and to report anything they saw.

The more I look at it the more I think it is from one of the arrested persons phones.....it's just very unusual for police to release any images which show a possible victim in distress. I don't think a friend or an innocent member of the public would take such a photo, they would either help or call for help.

MOO

It has been said that she was in a 'vulnerable state when last seen'. Though not what kind of 'vulnerable', ie through a mental health episode, through being intoxicated or high on substances, or through the situation she was in.
 
I'd say the photo was definitely not from the morning. It appears someone had the lights on in both houses behind Owami. At 7 am. there's no need for extra lighting.
Maybe from here?

The Metropolitan Police said on Sunday a "second, unconfirmed sighting" of Ms Davies on 7 July had been reported. She was said to have been seen on nearby Clarendon Road at about 07:00 BST - later than the CCTV footage, which was shot shortly after midnight.
 
I don’t think it has been reported, officially, as to when the photo was taken.
It could have been earlier on the morning of July 7, when it was not full daylight, before the 7am - alleged - sighting.

However, if that were the case, I would find it very strange for the police not to have majored on this photo as being the last known sighting of Owami.
On that basis I am more inclined to think it is from the evening of July 6.

If the 'distressed' photo was from a suspects phone then I can understand why the police would not highlight that is was the last known sighting.

The police are looking for witnesses to anything involving OD since she was last seen on her own and apparently at no risk....I assume the CCTV from the shop

After this, at some point she came into contact with those who may have wished her harm. Police need to know where she went and who she was with after the shop CCTV.
 
The "in company of" quote implies that the man in the CCTV was known to OD and that they were or had been together.



It's quite possibly a time lapse recording, i.e. one image taken ever few seconds. Continuous recording takes a lot of memory and requires video functionality rather than still image collection. As with everything the cost/benefit ratio is at play.



Once there is enough evidence to charge, interviewing must cease and the arrested person must be charged. The senior investigator will be in close contact with the CPS, discussing the evidence and identifying when the charging threshold has been reached. Once charged no further interviews are allowed, unless it is a voluntary interview at the request of the charged person, which is very unusual.

FWIW.....upon arrival the the Custody Suite the offence and circumstances of the arrest are relayed to the Custody Sergeant, by the arresting officer. The Custody Sergeant then either authorises or refuses detention, i.e. the arrest needs to be lawful

After no more than 6 hours after arrival at the Custody Suite the lawfulness of continued detention and satisfaction that active investigation is taking place, has to be authorised by an Inspector or above, who is not involved in the investigation.

Further reviews are no more that 9 hours after the previous one

Detention beyond 24 hours can be authorised by a Superintendent or above, to a maximum of 36 hours. (I expect that these individuals were released under investigation or police bail some time before the custody clock reached 36 hours)

Continued detention beyond 36 hours and up to a maximum of 96 hours can only be authorised by a Magistrate. The Magistrate will want it shown that the continued detention is lawful, necessary and that the police are actively investigating and not dragging their heels. The full allocation of extension is rarely given in only one appearance in front of the Magistrate.

At 96 hours it's either charge or release without charge.

Terrorism cases have longer time police custody time limits.



Two persons are arrested on suspicion of murder and the police still insist it's still a missing person investigation. This could be police politics in terms of the additional operational demands that kick in if a murder investigation is declared.

For me it's mixed messaging and it would engender more confidence in the police if they were more open and straightforward about what they are doing and why, whilst not undermining the investigation.

Thank you @Whitehall 1212, that's all very interesting. A and B, who were arrested on suspicion of murder following the raid of a house on Derby Road, were arrested some time on Monday 1 August, and were still in custody on Friday, so that would mean that the whole 96 hours was authorised, wouldn't it?

Would it be fair to conclude that, on the one hand, the evidence against them is not insignificant if it persuaded a magistrate to extend to 96 hours, but on the other, is not definitive for the CPS to be satisfied they can be charged?

I guess what I'm asking is whether with your experience, you can identify where that middle ground lies? A magistrate wouldn't authorise the extension if it was just a fishing expedition, right? So what kind of definitive evidence do you think is lacking for a charge?
 
It seems the family may have reported Owami missing on the 6th, not the 11th as reported by MSM.
 
It seems the family may have reported Owami missing on the 6th, not the 11th as reported by MSM.

The date missing missing from home is not necessarily the same as the date last seen.

That appears to definitely be the case in this matter.

The family reported OD missing and the subsequent investigation identified when she was last seen apparently safe (shop CCTV).

What occurred after this is what the police need witnesses for.
 
I'm trying to read between the police lines in terms of what the police say and the images they release.

This photo is very unusual as it indicates dome distress from OD. Now this may be to invoke empathy and a sense of disturbance in people to overcome the perceived bias from 'missing white woman syndrome' and to report anything they saw.

The more I look at it the more I think it is from one of the arrested persons phones.....it's just very unusual for police to release any images which show a possible victim in distress. I don't think a friend or an innocent member of the public would take such a photo, they would either help or call for help.

MOO

It's really interesting what you say about images of distressed victims being unusual @Whitehall 1212. I can't remember seeing anything very similar. It must be causing great distress to her family, which is another reason why it's odd imo that the police haven't made more effective use of it now that it' s in the public domain.

This investigation is quite unusual in that it's now been handled by 3 different teams. (Or maybe that's not that uncommon, for all I know.)

OD was reported as a missing person to Essex Police on 6 July, two days after leaving home. (ETA: The MSM originally said the 11th but the Essex Police incident number says otherwise.) At some point, presumably after her mother reported using a phone app that placed her in Croydon or perhaps after first being spotted in Croydon on CCTV or maybe via her Oyster card or similar, the case was taken over by the Met and the incident number was changed to a Met one on 16 July. It was Croydon Met who tweeted the picture of her in distress, on 26 July.

Since then, Specialist Crime Command has taken over the case, set up an incident room and given the case a new reference. The house in Derby Road was processed as a crime scene and the first arrests took place on 1 August.

So I guess what I'm wondering is whether there's been a change of opinion about how best to handle the narrative and what images are provided to the media, etc, because of changes in case management. I don't know what drives that process and I'm wondering if the decisions that have been made latterly tell us anything about what the police are now thinking has happened?

JMO
 

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