Found Deceased UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #14

[asyousay]

I hate the fact she had so long to suffer knowing the very likely outcome. Just no words for her pain and suffering and now her parents will also carry that guilt for life as well. Just absolutely horrific for everybody involved.

 

[Dotta]

A couple of updated/tweaked bits of info in the Daily Fail article now.

They repeatedly reference him being a “*advertiser censored* addict” (but give no evidence for this - I wonder if it’s not yet been made public?) and also added detail re: the changing of cars-

“The circumstances of what happened after he took Sarah will not be detailed until a hearing in September, but the court was told investigations have found she was transferred to Couzens' own car in Kent, which is where he may have carried out the rape.”

BBM

Wayne Couzens: Devoted father who hid dark desire to rape and kill | Daily Mail Online

A Jekyll/Hyde persona

 

[Mrs Marple]

That’s what I mean … some women don’t know that sort of behavior isn’t normal until it goes wrong. I’m sure looking back you’d easily be able to point out the warning signs now in hindsight.

Don't you think this would apply to anyone regardless of gender?

In a previously linked article it stated they beloved Sarah was dead by 1am the next morning. So she was not tied up in the woods and being visited. It was a public area, this would have been far too risky.

As for buying the woods...they are for sale all over Kent and people buy them to have family meet ups etc. It's not that unusual around here.

 

[Loopysnoop]

I don't blame her, I blame the DM for publishing it. She's a woman who has had her world flipped upside down and is attempting to find reasons where there are none and she's got the DM still knocking at her door months later. The editor has chosen to include these comments knowing full well the the implications of how it casts people with BP.

I imagine Mrs C had people knocking on her door, telling her that "her side of the story" would help her and her kids. Is that article a verbatim transcript of what she said to the journalist? I strongly doubt it - it has been edited for sensationalist impact. She may have been given a "read through" before it was published, so she technically agreed with what was going to be put on the website. But English is not her first language, she is dealing with a lot, she isn't a mental health professional and may not understand the nuance of discussing MH and how it might affect people also suffering from mood/personality disorders.

Mrs C has been exonerated of any involvement in the case and it looks like she will be bringing up her children (who are old enough to be able to find out all the unpleasant facts about what their father has done) alone, for the rest of her husband's life.

Bipolar disorder isn't a one-size-fits-all illness. The diagnostic criteria make that very clear. Patients can be diagnosed with Bipolar 1 or Bipolar 2 or Cyclothymia. That in itself must show, even to the most simplistic-thinking person, that the disorder may have at least 3 different basic presentations. And that's before we get into people who cycle rapidly between mania and depression and don't just present like Carrie off Homeland, or other TV Bipolar caricatures

I really feel for people who are unhappy at this event associating violent behaviour with bipolar disorder. But I do think we need to give Mrs C a bit of a break. I think she was clutching at straws and her words about his varying moods were unfortunate.

She probably just wanted her life to be nice, ignored any strange things going on and hoped for the best, constantly. Her husband worked shifts, but when he was around, by all accounts, he was very pleasant and "normal". That must make it even more dreadful for her. I thought that offering her condolences and putting her own experiences into the background and admitting that those of the Everard family were far, far worse, was about the only decent thing that was reported in that article.

 

[Kelly C]

I wonder if the wife actually wanted the ‘interview’ with Daily Mail. They almost made out she sold her story to them. Clearly not the case. Today was not a good day for an article on her suffering to be published. So yes, I’m not surprised at the DM for that. Shocking and thoughtless reporting as always.

 

[asyousay]

I wonder if the wife actually wanted the ‘interview’ with Daily Mail. They almost made out she sold her story to them. Clearly not the case. Today was not a good day for an article on her suffering to be published. So yes, I’m not surprised at the DM for that. Shocking and thoughtless reporting as always.

The Daily Mail are the gutter press in the UK so blame her for selling the story to the highest bidder. Maybe she needs money and so she took the offer as she isn’t guilty at the end of the day and wants to share her side. She would of been offered a lot of money to tell her story and if it can help the kids and her in the long run.

 

[arrogantcat]

The Daily Mail are the gutter press in the UK so blame her for selling the story to the highest bidder. Maybe she needs money and so she took the offer as she isn’t guilty at the end of the day and wants to share her side. She would of been offered a lot of money to tell her story and if it can help the kids and her in the long run.

No way this was a paid interview. This was a doorstep quote grab by some sleazy journo who managed to get her guard down somehow. I guarantee, she got nothing out of this.

If DM had a paid exclusive interview you’d see glossy studio photos of her doing The Sad Face they make everyone do, and the whole thing would be written as much more of a stand alone story. There’s a very definitely formula for this stuff.

Wife was exploited by them for this. She deserves our sympathy, not our contempt.

 

[Stella123]

Don't you think this would apply to anyone regardless of gender?

In a previously linked article it stated they beloved Sarah was dead by 1am the next morning. So she was not tied up in the woods and being visited. It was a public area, this would have been far too risky.

As for buying the woods...they are for sale all over Kent and people buy them to have family meet ups etc. It's not that unusual around here.

I did add that it could apply to any gender! If one person lives with someone who is lying and has secrets, the lying person does display fluctuating behaviour.

As for the article. Maybe she needs the money and also wanted to speak out rather than hide away as of in shame. The comment about manic depression isn’t good.

 

[foxed]

The DM clearly doorstepped her, she obviously hasn't had any media training or advice to say the things she said, and she won't have got a penny for speaking to them. It's sickening journalism from the DM but sadly unsurprising from them.

I think she has shown dignity and empathy, in sharp contrast to the actions of her husband. She didn't ask for any of this.

 

[Stella123]

Lord Justice Fulford considering a whole life sentence - this is behind a paywall but the top bit shows

Sarah Everard murderer Wayne Couzens may face whole life sentence | News | The Times

 

[Blondiexoxo]

As someone who has bipolar disorder, I appreciate this reply. People with mental illnesses are much more likely to harm themselves than others, and to actually be the victims of violent crimes. Generally, bipolar disorder does not present itself as "up and down" as people tend to think, so imo it wouldn't really fit with the timescale of Sarah's murder. Basically, I think it's rare that people with this illness swing wildly between manic and depressive states so quickly (for example, I once had a manic episode that lasted 6 months!) and have the faculties/capabilities to act in the same way as Wayne Couzens (pretty measured and with a high level of preparedness) when in a manic or depressive state.

Not trying to dismiss anyone with this reply, by the way – when we hear about crimes as awful and incomprehensible as this, I think it's common to try to find a way to "understand" it, which can often lead to conversations around mental illnesses such as bipolar which, unfortunately, are not as understood or sympathised with as other mental disorders.

Hugs xx
I have bipolar 2 disorder, I’ve been on my medication for many years. I have only had 2 manic episodes in the last 7 years. Both after experiencing traumatic events and I also dislike how the ‘bipolar’ label is attached as a stigma sometimes, people imagine us swinging from the lampshades one minute, locking ourselves in the house and rocking back and forth, then suicidal the next, crying and unable to function. That is not an accurate representation of my personal experience. The hypomania (in my personal case) is more reckless spending and energetic cleaning, positive mood and chatty for me, difficulty sleeping at night. But I do not switch fast. I can be ‘up’ for weeks but no one except my partner would notice. Infact when I’m hypomanic I come across as a functioning, friendly person, I chat with my friends more and make plans with them. I eventually become a bit irritable, easily annoyed but never ever violent or dangerous in any way. Then slowly my mood lowers, over a period of days depression takes over, i cancel the plans I’ve made, I sleep a lot it’s like a burn out crash because I’ve had less sleep than I’m used to, guilt, shame, sadness all come together and I’m low for weeks. But I can still function. These ‘episodes’ as some would call them, happen very rarely now because my medication keeps me stable, but bipolar is not a reason for anyone to commit murder. Bipolar is not dancing on tables one day then crying in your bed the next. These fluctuations in mood gradually happen, it’s not a switch that is flicked and a different person comes out. I’m still me, I can still get up and take care of my family and my house and work. But when I’m low I just find it takes a lot more effort to get through the day.

The mention of the word bipolar in that article got my back up a bit ‘maybe he’s bipolar’ like that would explain his evil actions somewhat. No, there’s a lot more going on with WC. Sexual deviancy for a start. He probably showed no signs of his capabilities at home because going out and indecently exposing himself, indulging in fantasies with sex workers and through *advertiser censored* was the release for him which made him able to return home and be ‘normal’. It’s what he was doing when no one was watching that is important to understanding why he did this. You can’t put a label on him because it’s a culmination of all different behaviours and thought processes he’s clearly had since a young age. MOO

ETA: I must stress that this is only my own experience with bipolar 2. Someone with bipolar 1 who has full manic episodes could be capable of dangerous and extremely risky behaviour, however, majority of people with any mental illness do not go on to commit violent sexual crimes

 

[asyousay]

The DM clearly doorstepped her, she obviously hasn't had any media training or advice to say the things she said, and she won't have got a penny for speaking to them. It's sickening journalism from the DM but sadly unsurprising from them.

I think she has shown dignity and empathy, in sharp contrast to the actions of her husband. She didn't ask for any of this.

Do you have prove of what you are saying as you are so adamant?



It’s a exclusive interview she did with “Mailonline” and it’s a long interview if it was done on her doorstep.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

WC thinks that by pleading guilty to all charges he will avoid the whole life tariff. He’s not admitting this because he’s remorseful, he’s thinking that if he takes responsibility that he will eventually be released one day. In the UK a guilty plea can be the difference between 30 years and 20 years. However, as he was a police officer in a position of trust in the community and violated that privilege I hope they throw the book at him and give him the max allowed by law.

 

[Kelly C]

Really glad to see people speaking out on Bipolar I, II and other mood disorders (or manic depression as the DM quoted it). I’ve worked and still work in this specialist area of psychiatry (including psychosis) for 20 years and never have any of my patients done this- carried out a pre-meditated, carefully crafted abduction leading to murder with a string of historical sexual offences and deviant behaviour in the mix.

Shame on DM to use the wife’s words that he may have had an episode (or manipulate her words about manic depression in some way) It’s thoughtless and uneducated and harmful.

I’ve been campaigning for years to eradicate stigma associated with mental illnesses and that article has not helped that one iota!

He’s a psychopath (dangerous and severe personality disorder) if anyone wants to give a label to the monster. The difference between psychosis and a psychopath is poles apart.

I’m not digging at the wife. I get she is clutching at any explanation she can find, but it’s not without consequence. I hope she is getting support. This must be hard for her to even process.

 

[foxed]

It's just very likely - as a PP said, if they'd paid her, there would likely be a photo as well.

"Exclusive" only means that nobody else has interviewed her yet and the DM didn't buy the interview from an agency, but sent one of their own journalists to speak to her. Doorsteppping someone doesn't mean you conduct the whole interview on the doorstep, it just means a journalist knocks on the door as their first contact with her. Possibly she then invited them in.

The article is quite long but the quotes from her are actually pretty short - probably only 5-10 minutes or so of conversation, if you look at what's actually said, and the rest is padded out with context from the case. I agree she shouldn't have spoken to them. But if you've had no experience of the press before, and someone charming from MSM turns up at your door saying it'll make things better for you at the most traumatic time in your life... the DM should have known better than to exploit her at a moment like this.

 

[Dotta]

As it was reported in one of the articles WC was known as a bully while in school. Was he a bully in LE? Is that why he wasnt investigated after "flashing"? Two times, mind you. In 2015, and a few days before murder. I just dont understand it.

 

[Dotta]

Really glad to see people speaking out on Bipolar I, II and other mood disorders (or manic depression as the DM quoted it). I’ve worked and still work in this specialist area of psychiatry (including psychosis) for 20 years and never have any of my patients done this- carried out a pre-meditated, carefully crafted abduction leading to murder with a string of historical sexual offences and deviant behaviour in the mix.

Shame on DM to use the wife’s words that he may have had an episode (or manipulate her words about manic depression in some way) It’s thoughtless and uneducated and harmful.

I’ve been campaigning for years to eradicate stigma associated with mental illnesses and that article has not helped that one iota!

He’s a psychopath (dangerous and severe personality disorder) if anyone wants to give a label to the monster. The difference between psychosis and a psychopath is poles apart.

I’m not digging at the wife. I get she is clutching at any explanation she can find, but it’s not without consequence. I hope she is getting support. This must be hard for her to even process.

May I ask how you interpret his behaviour in jail? His head banging against a wall? Was it psychosis? Im really curious.

 

[Kelly C]

May I ask how do you interpret his behaviour in jail? His head banging against a wall? Was it psychosis? Im really curious.

I would say it was attention. The ‘poor me, I’m ill’ card. Anything to get out of the reality he was in. Maybe his head-banging and poor acting was a ploy to pull the “diminished responsibility’ card too. His actions got him more time. He went to ICU. People with psychosis don’t do this sort of stuff. He’s a manipulator. A psychopath. A narcissist. Thankfully the majority are not buying it and he’s not in a high secure unit. He’s in a prison… where he belongs!

 

[Dotta]

I would say it was attention. The ‘poor me, I’m ill’ card. Anything to get out of the reality he was in. Maybe his head-banging and poor acting was a ploy to pull the “diminished responsibility’ card too. His actions got him more time. He went to ICU. People with psychosis don’t do this sort of stuff. He’s a manipulator. A psychopath. A narcissist. Thankfully the majority are not buying it and he’s not in a high secure unit. He’s in a prison… where he belongs!

Thank you

 

[Seattle1]

The total lack of attempts to conceal it all, too - buying stuff on Amazon, renting the car in his own name. Utterly brazen - he clearly thought he’d get away with the whole thing.

Makes you wonder what else he’s got away with previously to make him so confident…

^^bbm

I think renting cars specifically for his drive-through flasher outings was probably something he did often -- believed he'd found an easy way not to be detected. He probably knew from experience that police resources are seldom spent looking for flashers.

I also think the defendant had been assaulting prostitutes for years-- and these actions also went unreported.

And the story he first told authorities about the Romanian gang -- over-the-top!

He definitely believes he's smarter than his colleagues.

We still don't know when/where he strangled Sarah and he's not talking. I doubt he ever will.

I don't think he believed he'd ever be caught. MOO