UK - Wayne Couzens (convicted killer of Sarah Everard)

[cottonweaver]

'A former Metropolitan police officer is to face a gross misconduct hearing for allegedly failing to properly investigate indecent exposure allegations against Wayne Couzens, made days before he murdered Sarah Everard, the police watchdog has said.

The former Met officer is also facing claims over misleading testimony given to investigators and is one of two people to face action over alleged missed chances to identify Couzens as a suspected sex offender before he went looking for a woman to attack in March 2021. The Met said the constable resigned in 2022 while under investigation.

The IOPC also said an officer from Kent police would face a misconduct meeting over separate allegations relating to another alleged indecent exposure by Couzens

The Kent officer, a sergeant, was investigated over a 2015 incident when Couzens was alleged to have exposed himself in Dover. A man out driving with his partner and child saw another man in a car naked from the waist down. The man recorded the registration and passed it to Kent police. Couzens pleaded not guilty to that charge on Monday, which prosecutors decided to allow to lie on file.'
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Police to hold two misconduct hearings over Wayne Couzens indecent exposure

A former and a current officer accused of failing to properly investigate claims against Couzens, who went on to murder Sarah Everard

www.theguardian.com

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[Wakefield6042]

Kent Police was his employer too -

why did KP take ‘no further action’ against Couzens re alleged indecent exposure in 2015? Why was that incident not flagged when he transferred to the Met?

One of the official reviews into Couzens which we're waiting on, is the Angiolini report. (First phase of the Sarah Everard inquiry will begin soon, chaired by Dame Elish Angiolini. Baroness Blackstock has asked the Home Sec that David Carrick be included in that inquiry.

I can't see the Home Sec agreeing to that although she alone has the powers ( under the Inquiries Act) to decide whether the inquiry can include other officers' predatory or criminal behaviour, not just control the scope by limiting it to Couzens. Here's another example of a case which could be included if Home Sec wants to broaden this out Met detective jailed for three years after spying on naked women

Anyway, Phase 1 of Angiolini - what it includes & doesn't is available online)

Specialist reporter Danny Shaw also provides some other links & questions incl the two bodies which had previously raise concerns:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1443713138013114368

re vetting

https://twitter.com/x/status/1615753530274373632

Thank you Cottonweaver, this is very informative.

 

[ex-stat]

Honestly - and I'm sure you're already aware of this - in addition to the incredibly useful geographic region provided by a member in this thread which I love, I would look closely at the organisations and cultures surrounding them.

Canterbury - where did the army go on their nights out? Any assaults in nightclubs (sadly surprising how many of these don't get treated properly) or surrounding areas?

Where did people at Dungeness socialise? They obviously were aware of 'issues' (probably not the extent).

Honestly, as well as looking geographically I'd seek to look within certain organisations - which, as I'm sure you will already know, will be difficult.

As everyone knows - and I hesitate to write this because things have meant to be changed - there is a lot left to be done. There is a veneer of accountability provided by various organisations now but IMO a lot of women who are assaulted while working in these jobs do not go to outside agencies and back then it was horrific with regard to how assaults were often - but not always - dealt with.

If you are looking for sexual assaults and not murder I would look at: army, police, Sellafield and Dungeness, the Met. I doubt anyone is stupid enough to assault someone at an embassy but you never know. I would look at associated staff there (kitchens, housekeeping, anyone with less of a voice). I feel like earlier in his career there may be stuff there but... it will be difficult. I doubt many would want to talk. Maybe look for people who have left the job suddenly, transferred and so on but please respect that people may not want to talk. Aside from all of the usual reasons, there are a host of professional reasons and the surrounding press, plus there will be the whole 'if someone had spoken out, X would have been prevented' mindset which heaps blame on victims not the person to whom the ire should be directed.

I don't know if any of this is useful in any way but I just wanted to add something.
Good luck.

 

[Gemmie]

ADMIN NOTE:

We've had to remove almost 50 off topic posts or comments.

As per the Opening Post of this thread, the purpose of this thread is to discuss other crimes Couzens may have committed (so, not to rehash cases that have already been solved).

Our focus is on other crimes we believe that Wayne Couzens may have committed. We want to investigate if – aside from Sarah Everard– there are other women he has targeted, and if he may have committed crimes against women in the UK, and potentially abroad – prior to the murder of Sarah.

We are interested in hearing from anyone who may have information about him or his activities.

Please stay on topic or your post will be removed.

Thank you.

I thought Sillybilly's post, stating what this thread is dedicated to, was worth a repeat.

 

[dell46]

UK missing persons unit. Unidentified, both beachy head a hour away from kent and or london

UK Missing Persons Unit

 

[Telltale]

UK missing persons unit. Unidentified, both beachy head a hour away from kent and or london

UK Missing Persons Unit

Beachy Head is a famous suicide spot. It's a very tall cliff straight into the sea/beach depending on the tide. People travel from all over the UK to end their life at there.


Unidentified bodies found there are almost invariably jumpers who can't be immediately ID'd by the police.

It would also be a risky spot to try and dump a body, since there are dedicated volunteers and Chaplins who are alert to any unattended cars or anyone hanging around the cliff edge, (as mentioned, VERY popular suicide spot) a call to police results in a fast response. Something that a former Kent officer would be well aware of.

 

[AllieKat]

-off topic-
-opinion -

Hi, these are some ideas on how to find additional information on possible victims or others who may have come in contact with WC.

I know geography has been mentioned, that was my first thought. In addition to ground sonar, has anyone attempted to use cadaver dogs in or around the property he owned?

Not sure if this is possible but : Searching for missing and unidentified victims with possible parameters of: location, appearance or resemblance similar to known victim Sarah, and correlating timeline; add international sources due to trips taken.

According to one source police did review phone and online dating records of Couzen; they reportedly followed up with the women Couzen had been messaging.

Thank you for drawing attention to other potential victims.

 

[tes1984]

There seem to be quite a few UK murderers (Colin Pitchfork, Christopher Hampton, Christopher Halliwell, David Fuller) who go from low level crime or no crime, straight to horrific murder-rapes.
Halliwell and Fuller were burglars, turned double murderers, but haven't been linked by DNA to any unsolved rapes or murders.
No rape victims seem to have come forward after seeing photos in the newspapers either, which seems to be the case with Wayne Couzens too.

 

[johnlair]

Wayne Couzens tried to kidnap woman & raped 2 more before killing Sarah Everard

KILLER cop Wayne Couzens tried to kidnap a woman at knifepoint and sexually assaulted a young girl before he murdered Sarah Everard, a damning report reveals today. The shocking dossier also reveal…

www.thesun.co.uk

More crimes here found committed... I think it's actually crazy that the area of woodland he bought has not been dug up, does anyone remember the report of the campers there and some sort of shrine with ashes that couzens said was his dog and that he had buried his dad there ...red flags all over that place an yet it appears to have been untouched, I dread to think what they'd find of they actually looked.

 

[johnlair]

Dover Woman — Locate International

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Things like this just get written off as a suicide or accident too when reading her description she sounds like a sex worker to me 60 pound stuffed in her bra, sexy underwear and outfit, we know he used and more than likely severely abused sex workers, who knows how many he has got away with.. we will probably never find out.

 

[johnlair]

GOV.UK
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk › ...PDF
The Angiolini Inquiry – Part 1 Report

This is very useful in looking into his history

 

[johnlair]

Urgent appeal to find missing woman from Bromley

Police are appealing for information regarding a missing woman from Bromley.

www.newsshopper.co.uk

I wonder whether this lady ever showed up I know when I looked into couzens a couple of years ago, I thought she looks like his type and also fits his timeframe of being in Bromley, to me I highly doubt he only killed one woman he became sloppy because of his power and the fact he thought he could get away with it.

I know this case has been by large left behind now I personally don't think there has been enough investigation done into him it's almost like wanting to save embarrassment in case anything else rears it's head and blackens the police name.

His Woodland should have been dug up.
In the Angiolini equiry it talks of another night years before he was seen as missing from his duty, he was in another hire care and once again that car was seen around the woodland area Sarah ended up at.

 

[FromGermany1]

We assume it's where her family live in Kirovograd Mother-in-law of Sarah Everard murder suspect speaks out after arrest

His wife looks so much like Claudia Lawrence from York, I think. What, if he was the allegedly secret policeman lover (IF there ever was one)? Do you all think, it would be possible despite the geo distance?

 

[Telltale]

His wife looks so much like Claudia Lawrence from York, I think. What, if he was the allegedly secret policeman lover (IF there ever was one)? Do you all think, it would be possible despite the geo distance?

It's 5 1/2 hours from his village of Deal in Kent to York and 4 1/2 from London. Without traffic.

It's about 2/3 hours by train depending on where he started from, but he would be looking at not a lot of change from £100 for a return ticket. Met (and Kent I think) officers have free travel around London but not all the way to York.

Not impossible, but unlikely. It would be incredibly inconvenient and would require excuses for him to be away from home for significant chunks of time reasonably often. Those tickets/fuel costs would also add up quick.

 

[JennyJukes]

I wonder whether this lady ever showed up I know when I looked into couzens a couple of years ago, I thought she looks like his type and also fits his timeframe of being in Bromley, to me I highly doubt he only killed one woman he became sloppy because of his power and the fact he thought he could get away with it.

Quick google of this woman brings up a funeral notice for a lady born in 1988 passed in 2023. Notice states she grew up in Downe Village which is in Bromley. Age would match too as she was 30 when missing in 2018, so probable date of birth as 1988. So I guess she was found then later sadly passed.

 

[Gemmie]

I thought it was a good time to post a reminder of @Sillybilly's Admin Note since it's no longer forefront in this thread and posted over a year ago.

ADMIN NOTE:

We've had to remove almost 50 off topic posts or comments.

As per the Opening Post of this thread, the purpose of this thread is to discuss other crimes Couzens may have committed (so, not to rehash cases that have already been solved).

Our focus is on other crimes we believe that Wayne Couzens may have committed. We want to investigate if – aside from Sarah Everard– there are other women he has targeted, and if he may have committed crimes against women in the UK, and potentially abroad – prior to the murder of Sarah.

We are interested in hearing from anyone who may have information about him or his activities.

Please stay on topic or your post will be removed.

Thank you.

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