GUILTY UT - Hser Nar Moo, 7, Salt Lake City, 31 March 2008

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Incident looked like 'horror scene', police say at Esar Met trial

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"I observed a body that was in the bottom of a shower area. I was taken back by what I saw," Rasmussen testified. "She had a lot of blood all over her."

Hser's hair was matted with blood. Rasmussen bent down to touch her skin and try to move her leg, and found she was "very, very cold." Rigor mortis had already set in.

"I saw the girl in the bottom of the shower stall, curled up, face down, her head was away from us," Maurer testified. "I could see that (her left arm) was bent back, broken."


The testimony of the paramedics describing the gruesome crime scene was accompanied by graphic photos that were shown to the jury.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=28278057#Cm6BkpzvQCx9lPq2.99


Evidence, findings from scene described at Esar Met trial

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"She was frantic. … Something was wrong,"
Pender said. "I'll never forget the look on her face and the fear in her eyes that she couldn't find her little girl. She was desperately looking for her and just knew something was wrong."

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=28304337#5vbk0tYGwTjmuzlt.99
 
Hundreds bid emotional farewell to Hser Ner Moo

South Salt Lake Police Chief Chris Snyder
comforts Cartoon Wah as they mourn Wah's daughter, Hser Ner Moo.


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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...motional-farewell-to-Hser-Ner-Moo.html?pg=all


Stolen hope: Daughter's death comes after years of fear, running for a Burmese family

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http://extras.sltrib.com/thailand/chapter1.html

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Internally, he found bruising to her lungs, pancreas and the tissues surrounding her spine. He said most of the injuries appeared to have been sustained before the girl's death.

Evidence in her eye and neck suggested strangulation. But the "most lethal" injury was a tear in the right atrium of her heart.


"She didn't have long to live after this injury was sustained," Grey said. "Whether the other injuries occurred while she was dying, I can't exclude that but this was the injury that essentially sealed her fate."

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=28344882#bmuRYpiBS0xhdxu0.99
 
Internally, he found bruising to her lungs, pancreas and the tissues surrounding her spine. He said most of the injuries appeared to have been sustained before the girl's death.

Evidence in her eye and neck suggested strangulation. But the "most lethal" injury was a tear in the right atrium of her heart.


"She didn't have long to live after this injury was sustained," Grey said. "Whether the other injuries occurred while she was dying, I can't exclude that but this was the injury that essentially sealed her fate."

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=28344882#bmuRYpiBS0xhdxu0.99

Thank you so much MsFacetious, for all the updates on the trial. I'm praying for justice on behalf of this little one.
 
Esar Met trial to go to jurors on Friday

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When court resumed, the defense attorneys announced that they would rest without calling anyone to the stand.

"Mr. Met is electing to not testify at this time,"
said defense attorney Michael Peterson.

The jury was sent home for the day and told they would hear closing arguments from each side Friday morning before beginning deliberations.

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The defense has tried to raise doubts about the role of Met's roommates during the time Hser was missing. They have also tried to raise questions about DNA presented to the jury.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=28379962#e8Qo2xlB8r8i8Rzu.99

I fear that they succeeded in raising doubts.
I'm not sure how anyone could be 100% sure with this convoluted case. :please:
 
This was posted under another heading but got sidetracked a lot because I posted in the wrong section. Briefly, my interest is in whether Esar Met is actually guilty of killing Hser Ner Moo in Salt Lake city.

The trial was in April. After sitting in jail for 6 years in Utah awaiting trial, Esar Met was found guilty. The confession is one of many aspects of the case that is unclear. Is it a real confession?

Warning. Contains graphic conversation about an extreme crime.

http://esarmet.com/video/1.avi

http://esarmet.com/video/2.avi

http://esarmet.com/video/3.avi

http://esarmet.com/video/4.avi

http://esarmet.com/video/5.avi

The confession was suppressed, by the defense, oddly, so it was not used directly at the trial. But it was widely reported that a confession existed and it is certain that all of the jurors knew about it. The confession was never shown publicly, nor to the best of my knowledge had it even been seen by anyone not directly involved in the case, until this week.

I am interested in whether the confession has any validity. It has obvious problems, but is it partially accurate? One person has commented on the first part, and says he looks a bit intimidated or scared. No one else has commented on later parts yet. I'm not sure if past video 1 has been watched by anyone yet.
 
This has been posted elsewhere but maybe someone here can offer something new. If you want a link to something specific ask. Sorry if the tone of some of it is sarcastic but the investigation seems to have been an obscenity.

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In April 2006 Hser Ner Moo, a 7 year old Utah girl, was murdered.

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Hours after the body was found, po!ice had a suspect and a full confession. They said an older neighbor boy, with whom she had been friendly, abused, tortured and killed her.

~On May 14, 2014 Esar Met was sentenced to life in prison without the chance of parole~

But is he actually guilty?

His confession was enough for most people, even though almost nobody had actually seen it.

Warning. Some of the material is offensive.

False confessions are a serious problem in America. Almost any child or teenager, and most adults, can be made to give a convincing confession to a crime they did not commit, if the interrogator has the appropriate skills.

The following are the full confession videos unedited. They contain discussion of major crimes and offensive material.
each about 70 mb~

Please compare the confession to the prosecutor's closing statement at trial, that Hser was "sexually assaulted, repeatedly beaten, strangled, had her arm bent and broken, and ultimately killed by a massive blow or blows to her chest,"

Those injuries did occur. And Met did confess. But something doesn't add up.
The translator also seems to be doing a lot more than simply translating.
Can you figure it out?

http://esarmet.com/video/1.avi
http://esarmet.com/video/2.avi
http://esarmet.com/video/3.avi
http://esarmet.com/video/4.avi
http://esarmet.com/video/5.avi

Esar Met confession audio
If you only want the audio here are the audio tracks from the videos.

http://esarmet.com/audio/1.mp3
http://esarmet.com/audio/2.mp3
http://esarmet.com/audio/3.mp3
http://esarmet.com/audio/4.mp3
http://esarmet.com/audio/5.mp3

If you snatch someone off the street and hold them captive for 6 years you will get life in prison.

But if a police officer snatches someone out of their family's home and force them to confess to a crime they did not commit, so he can solve a high profile case ... he gets a promotion.

And his victim goes to prison.

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Please look at the evidence carefully.
Each item used to convict Mr Met is not quite as it seems at first glance.

In both cases the suspects have been expertly managed, so the appearance of guilt can be maintained.
Esar Met admits his confession was false. But nobody outside the court system had seen his confession til now.
Craig Gregerson has refused to discuss the case and his confession, saying only that he believes *advertiser censored* is bad and he is sorry for what he did. He has expressed excitement about prison, believing it will allow him to get a good education.

Each suspect has limited education and possible developmental issues. Esar Met has been described as possibly retarded.

~Two murders in two years. In the same Salt Lake neighborhood~

Both victims very small children, ages 5 and 7.
Both cases involved massive searches with hundreds of people and police conducting door to door searches.
Both bodies were eventually found about 100 feet from where the children lived, in the basements of neighbors.
Both involved extremely unusual acts of violence.
Both bodies found in or near large plastic bags.

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Two people arrested.

Both confessed to FBI interrogators.

The focus here is on Esar Met, because his confession is available, but here are some basics of both cases.

July 16, 2006. Destiny Norton, 5 years old, disappears in a fenced area used as a yard by several neighbors.

At the time, it was claimed all of the houses had been searched repeatedly, including with a speciallly trained dog.

After the body was found the FBI claimed that Gregerson had consented to a search of his home but when an agent had smelled something dead Gregerson had said it was dead rats, so the agents did not pursue the search.

Other witnesses claim the FBI did search the entire house more than once.

Numerous people were brought in for polygraphs while Destiny Norton was missing. The polygraph operator wrote a book about his experiences in the case, called Heaven's Hammer. In the book he indicates that he felt Gregerson was guilty and decided to extract a confession.

Other interviews this FBI agent conducted that day were videotaped but he did not videotape the confession.

The FBI agent managed to obtain a written confession from Gregerson, detailing over two pages of his account of what was done. The confession is in Gregerson's handwriting. However it contains legalistic expressions that Gregerson would not be aware of and other indications that the words are not his.

The confession has never been made public, except for brief excerpts published in the FBI agent's book, much of it information that was later specifically left out of reports about the crime.

The details of the injuries to Destiny Norton are not known. That material was withheld initially to avoid tainting a jury and no details were released after Gregerson agreed to a guilty plea in order to avoid the death penalty.

During the search for Destiny Norton there was significant criticism of how the police and FBI handled the investigation. When the body was found more than a week later, about a hundred feet from where she disappeared, there was more.

The FBI said that Gregerson had never consented to a search of his basement.

But neighbor Dylan Wood said he watched as police searched his and Gregerson's apartments, just after Destiny vanished. They were questioned by FBI agents.
"We're sitting out here at the picnic table talking with him and the federal marshals and everything," he said. "We all filled out questionnaires together."

March 30, 2008, Hser Ner Moo, 7 years old, disappears about 15 blocks from where Destiny Norton disappeared.

Police and FBI agents searched every single apartment in the building complex over the next 24 hours. Except one, where no one seemed to be home.

When the body was found in the basement of that apartment, near a large bloody plastic bag, another wave of public anger hit authorities.

But authorities were quick to pacify the public by announcing that they had caught a suspect and he had confessed.

In the fifth video above, near the end, you can see a man come into the confession room and announce he needs photos A.S.A.P. and he needs to get them printed. Newspaper print deadlines were only minutes away.

Unlike the Destiny Norton case, this time the police were not able to keep all of the evidence under wraps.

There was a huge amount of forensic evidence collected in Hser Ner Moo's murder. Fingerprints. DNA. A bloody plastic bag found near the body. And much more.

Almost none of it was used. In fact most of it seems to have disappeared. So what evidence was used to convict Met?

Esar Met was known for giving bicycle rides and piggyback rides to neighbor children. In the days before she died, Hser Ner Moo had a cut on her finger. Apparently 4 drops of that blood fell onto the back of Esar Met's jacket. The crime scene was a bloodbath and the killer left a bloody footprint. He would have been fairly covered with blood. The only blood evidence that could be found involving mr Met were those four drops, arranged in a linear pattern, as with gravity, on the back of his jacket.

Blood evidence not used at trial included a sample of the victim's blood from the crime scene mixed with a small amount of the blood of an unknown male, not mr Met.

Under Hser Ner Moo's fingernails were microscopic skin cell traces, DNA, from a number of people she had contact with before she died, including her family members and Esar Met. This was the second and last piece of DNA evidence used to convict Esar Met.

But when Hser Ner Moo was found she was clutching a handful of hair she had ripped out of her attacker. It's a pretty safe bet there were some roots in that hair that could be tested. But that material ~vanished~

A small amount of DNA from a rape kit swab was also deemed unsuitable for testing.

In the confession, above, Esar Met repeatedly insists that he did not even know the child was dead. But with a little help from the FBI agent he eventually comes around.

He admits that Hser Ner Moo stopped by his apartment around 9am.

But wait.

She had been home all morning and did not disappear until around 2pm.

So the FBI agent reminds him that she came back to his apartment around 2pm.

Now it looks like the confession is on track. The FBI agent asks him how long she was there and Met says a few hours.

But wait.

It is known that the latest Met could have left to go to visit his uncle was an hour after the little girl disappeared.

And on and on.

Met is trying to create a confession that he thinks will satisfy the FBI agent. He is taking events from the previous few weeks that really did happen, like Hser watching tv there, and weaving them into a story. Is there any indication that Met feels undue pressure to confess? Near the end of the confession Met is asked if he has any questions.

He does.

He wants to know if he will be able to say goodby to his mother before they kill him, if that is what they are going to do.

In his closing statement to the jury, the prosecutor was graphic.

Then he said "Use your own common sense, and try not to get too caught up in little details that would make you miss the forest through individual trees... A doubt is not reasonable if it's based on purely speculation or remote possibility.... Don't get caught up in the little details that are not important or significant in this case... When the defense suggests there should be witnesses, that's ridiculous."

Uh... no one ever asked for witnesses. Only evidence.

After Hser Ner Moo's body was found a medical technician checked her. He said she was completely stiff, rigor mortis had not yet begun to recede.

It is likely that she was still alive when the police started searching, long after Esar Met had left to visit family.
She may even have still been alive well into the night.
That's the simple truth.

The police and FBI were under a lot of pressure. Two very small dead children in two years. A lot of serious mistakes made in the first few hours.

They needed to improve their image quickly.

They needed a quick confession and they got it.

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Six videotaped interviews were done that night. The four roommates, an unknown 5th person and Esar Met.

I got only one of the interviews, the so called confession, and have not seen the others.

But I do have a copy of the police report with details of the interviews with the five others. They are a mix of inconsistencies and absurdities.

One of the roommates came home about an hour eartlier than the others that day, about 4 pm. He says the four of them watched music videos til 9 pm.

Another was asked if he knew why they were being questioned and he said maybe because one of the roommates spit something on the carpet, betel juice, that looks like blood. In fact the stain was blood, it would be learned later.

One says he knew the girl was missing but didn't want to check the basement.

Another didn't know anything about Hser Ner Moo being missing.

The mysterious 6th person, it turns out, was a friend of the roommate who arrived home before all the others, who supposedly was going to teach him English. He claimed he arrived in the apartment after the scene had been sealed off, so the interviewer let him go. The interviewer who let him go interviewed one other person that night. Esar Met.

The police had set up a perimeter around the apartments on the night of the first. Through that night and the next day the only apartment where no one answered the door was the apartment where the four roommates were. Esar Met was visiting relatives. He had only arrived in the country a few weeks earlier. Others knew he was going to be gone.

Much of the police report seems to have been purged. I have what was called "the complete police report". Even with all the problems so evident in what the police report does have, what is missing is much more worrying. What are they hiding?
 
This post contains nothing but links to information.

The following links involve the worst kind of crime and may contain trigger material.

None of the links goes to a personal blog or journal. Most go to live leak which is a public forum to post news items. If someone more suited to this kind of thing thinks this should be pushed I will give them the various log ins for accounts involving this case. I am very argumentative and that may be damaging to this person's chances for another trial.

Note. I do not know Esar Met nor anyone else involved in this case as far as I know.
I am not from that area.
Much of the material linked may have been excluded from the juries view as well as kept from the public apparently.

No one is being accused. The only point of these links is that you should decide whether or not the juries verdict was accurate. In certain kinds of cases it is possible that a different standard for evidence exists, in my opinion. In the 1950s you could accuse someone of being a communist with almost no evidence and they could be convicted. Terrorism is a type of crime today that is similar, in my opinion. The Esar Met case seems to have a lot of attributes of cases in which the burden of proof has been reduced substantially.

I am not a lawyer and don't know how to do an appeal nor anything else. If you are a lawyer and are fond of filing papers you might consider doing something if you feel there is question.

Esar Met was found guilty in a jury trial of murdering Hser Ner Moo.
http://fox13now.com/2014/01/17/jury-deliberating-in-esar-met-murder-trial/

The police said that he confessed to the crime.
http://www.heraldextra.com/news/loc...cle_c7882f26-31cb-5705-bda0-d6949b4ece3c.html

Shortly before the trial, the defense tried to have the confession suppressed. It was not used at trial. Obviously the fact that he confessed was still in the news, but the confession itself was not up for examination.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57250617-78/met-police-defense-attorneys.html.csp

The four roommates of Esar Met, as well as a fifth person, were also interviewed by police. One of those roommates made reference to what he claimed was a betelnut juice stain that he thought might look like blood and he thought that might be why they were being questioned. Other roommates said they had no idea the girl was missing. The stain previously mentioned turned out to actually be blood.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fa1_1417130478
And
http://fox13now.com/2014/01/15/spot-of-blood-thought-to-be-juice-puts-twist-in-murder-case/

After the girl went missing all of the apartments in the complex were visited for searches. Among all of the apartments, there was only one where nobody answered the door. In that apartment, when it was finally searched after more than 24 hours of trying to get a response, was the body of Hser Ner Moo, the four roommates, and one other individual. Esar Met had left the apartment complex long before the search started.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=df1_1418320502

Some news articles claim that his visit to his uncle was unnannounced.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55243318-78/met-moo-hser-ner.html.csp

However in the interview that would be called a confession he tries to give details of his visit and says it was preplanned. The FBI agent refuses to let him give details, insisting he is guilty and must confess.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=448_1416957293

During the search for the girl a pair of pink sandals of the type she was wearing were observed inside the doorway of a house where no one answered the door. When someone did answer the door later the police found a locked room for which the residents claimed to not have the key. With agreement from the residents the door was knocked down. The child was not inside and no further investigation seems to have been done, according to the police report. I do not know that city or how the street addresses work but it looks like that address is not far from the others.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=318_1418265956

It is possible the authorities were under some pressure to solve the case quickly. Also note that as the confession ends a man is in a rush to get pictures.
http://www.sltrib.com/justice/ci_8779265
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9ab_1418954133

Hser suffered extreme injuries of many different kinds to many internal organs and probably did not live long after the attack. One medical expert said she probably would have died within minutes of one of the specific injuries. Her time of death was from 12 hours to 36 hours before she was found. She was found about 29 hours after disappearing. There was about a one hour window in which Met could be the killer, assuming he took the last possible bus to his uncle's at 2:39 pm. Hser Ner Moo disappeared around 2 pm. Note also the reference to meeting his uncle on the bus.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobile/57389261-90/met-moo-hser-ner.html.csp
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...-old-girl-died-from-blunt-force-injuries.html
Note the time reference made by a police officer near the bottom of http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57367776-78/met-moo-hser-ner.html.csp

Note during the confession Met does not seem to know any details until the FBI agent reminds him with specifics, and even then his confession is not credible.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=356_1418953391

And the FBI agent again and again tries to coax him to change the confession so it matches the evidence, until Met finally says something like 'I didn't do it but you can say whatever you need the confession to be' paraphrased.
4 videos under a few minutes http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=285_1418952250

Sorry this is not well organized. There is a fair amount more information that could be posted and I expect to upload considerably more material. None of the material I have seen so far suggests Met is guilty of this crime in my opinion.
 
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... I hope this man is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, if he is truly guilty! I can't imagine that after all these years that LE would have the wrong man. There HAS to be forensic evidence. I am sorry if I am assuming on this, but: Why, no matter what language you spoke, confess to what you have done, most likely in detail, and then later say that you were "forced" to make these statements. I am sure there was plenty of details he spilled that only the killer would know. I just hope this sweet, precious little girl gets the justice she DESERVES :please: IMO it has already been WAY too long :banghead:

Actually, not only did he not have information that only the killer would know, but the FBI agent had to keep prompting him to change his story so that it would match the evidence. There are four short excerpt from the confession at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=285_1418952250 and on linked pages 24 other excerpts as well as the full confession.

In addition, some statements by his roommates seem to warrant further investigation http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fa1_1417130478 including the fact that one of the roommates references a supposed betelnut juice stain on the carpet, saying he thought maybe someone might imagine it was blood. Note that blood on a carpet does not stay the same color a long time.

There is much more to this case and it seems possible that there was a rush to judgement that may have resulted in an innocent person being convicted.
 
Destiny Norton's killer has never claimed he was innocent.
How would that fit into all of this?

Why would he plead guilty to this if he was innocent?
Why would he apologize for what he did if he didn't do it?
Why would he confess to raping her dead body if he didn't do it?
 
Those are excellent questions.

Both of these cases are much more complex than they appear at first.

For many generations, hundreds of years, there have been people who specialized in getting false confessions. Today, it is an art and a science that is much more refined than it was in the days of the Salem witch trials or Torquemada.

In these two cases there is an abundance of evidence that the investigations were not done well and in each case it seems wise to ask the authorities to provide a little more information.

Are you familiar with the idea of false confessions and what motivates them on both sides?

Have you read any of the material on the other case, and if so do you think there is a reasonable chance that the same group of police and F.B.I. people may have made mistakes in the second case?

As to your comment that Destiny Norton's killer has never claimed he was innocent, he also has never claimed he was guilty of the murder, to the best of my knowledge. Both suspects, Gregerson and Met, were forced into making a guilty plea. Neither of them has publicly given any indication of guilt, as far as I know.

When Met backed out of the plea deal, his lawyer's reaction was essentially that Met had committed some offense by not pleading guilty, even if he was innocent. Met is vulnerable to manipulation by threat of force, but when he thinks he is physically safe he seems to tell the truth. Gregerson is different. He was vulnerable to the kind of pressure the lawyer applied, the two men had the same lawyer. All that would be necessary to get a person like Gregerson to plead guilty despite innocence, and "bear his cross stoically" is a paradigm in which other offences from his past are atoned by paying for a crime someone else committed.

I don't want to get into arcane psychology since in both cases the physical evidence should be examined first, and that has not happened yet. It is possible both men are guilty, or both innocent, or one guilty another innocent.

In general terms the big danger comes from people who allow "authorities" to jail and kill people without scrutiny. In both of these cases the public did not scrutinize or even ask for evidence. The general attitude in Utah seems to have been "we don't need evidence since we already have the killer".

Have you looked at the actual evidence in either case?
 
Destiny Norton's killer has never claimed he was innocent.
How would that fit into all of this?

Why would he plead guilty to this if he was innocent?
Why would he apologize for what he did if he didn't do it?
Why would he confess to raping her dead body if he didn't do it?

It really wound up hurting me for years (actually, still) but one single event shows me how that could happen and how easily. I signed a plea-deal for a DUI when my BAC was 0.01% (a drink, maybe two). That got me into a 5-yrs+ legal nightmare. My lawyer wasn't well at the time and has since passed (which makes it even weirder for me). When reviewing the BAC in court, the prosecutor held up her "1" finger and my lawyer says "We can't beat that in court" and had me sign the deal. If she'd only had her "0" finger in front of the "1" finger, I'd have been fine.

That's nothing in comparison to what happened here, but that's why I know that people CAN be railroaded by a shady prosecutor and will continue to be.
 
It really wound up hurting me for years (actually, still) but one single event shows me how that could happen and how easily. I signed a plea-deal for a DUI when my BAC was 0.01% (a drink, maybe two). That got me into a 5-yrs+ legal nightmare. My lawyer wasn't well at the time and has since passed (which makes it even weirder for me). When reviewing the BAC in court, the prosecutor held up her "1" finger and my lawyer says "We can't beat that in court" and had me sign the deal. If she'd only had her "0" finger in front of the "1" finger, I'd have been fine.

That's nothing in comparison to what happened here, but that's why I know that people CAN be railroaded by a shady prosecutor and will continue to be.

In your case if your bac was .01 then you probably would not have been charged. Most likely it was 0.1.

I just searched for Gregerson's confession and saw a handwritten note he either gave to the family, or his attorney Peterson gave to the judge, depending on which article you read. I had previously only seen that referenced as something he had written with the help of Mr Peterson. That confession has some weight but still does not substitute for actual evidence.

Some points to add about Gregerson
1) The FBI agent videotaped all the interviews he did that day, except the one with Gregerson. A person can pretend that maybe the FBI agent needed to talk about personal religious issues with Gregerson, since that is the impression given by the comments of the FBI agent. But if you want to get the truth from someone, whether they are guilty or innocent, you do not insert religious agendas. It is only when you want something specific, e.g. a confession true or not, that you would do that. The FBI agent admits that he was intent on getting a confession, rather than getting information. That should be a huge red flag to anyone.

2) The confession written supposedly by Gregerson after the FBI interview was obviously not written by him. There is no doubt about that. A person could say "maybe he needed the FBI agent's help to word the confession, but again that is not how you get a truthful confession. If Gregerson asks " what should I write?", the FBI agent should have said "what did you do?" Instead the FBI agent dictated a bunch of legalese, obtuse language that Gregerson would never have produced. If Gregerson were guilty that should not have been necessary.
3) Based only on the content of the letter that he gave either to the family or the judge, I would say there is a fair chance he is guilty, but it still is far from reasonable proof.
4) He supposedly raped a dead body. Is there some link somewhere to any medical person who tested the dead body for DNA? If there is a credible link to that information than I would say he is almost certainly guilty. If that information does not exist, or the test was not done, I would ask why. As far as I know that information does not exist. It is silly to pretend there is some justification for hiding that evidence if it exists. The family has a dead child, and hiding the proof of guilt does not protect them from any additional stress. That is the only argument I have heard so far for hiding the evidence but it is a lame argument.

We do know that the same group of po!ice and FBI agents gave quite a bit of false information to the public in the Esar Met case. That, by itself, should justify asking them to simply provide evidence in the Destiny Norton case.

Two dead small children, 15 blocks apart, in two years is an astonishingly unusual coincidence if the crimes were not related.
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1) Hser Ner Moo was found next to a large bloody plastic bag. Destiny Norton was found inside two plastic bags that were inside a plastic container.
2) Both children were found in the basements of neighbors homes.
Etc etc.

Bflocket, sorry for ranting in response to your comment.
 
Edit to the previous comment. There are several different ways blood alcohol is measured and bflocket you might be right about the numbers. Some places refer to a limit of 0.008 or 0.01, others to other numbers.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_alcohol_content

Also, the prosecutors are important in both cases.
In the Gregerson case the prosecutor knew there were serious problems with the confession and he made those concerns clear privately but ignored the issue when it came to the actual case.
In the Met case, much more serious problems with the prosecutor.
 
This post regards a case that has been discussed on several websites already, and provides an update that may be useful.


Esar Met, also known as Samad or Max, was convicted of raping and killing Hser Ner Moo, a young child who lived near him in Salt Lake.


Here is a brief summary of the circumstances and evidence. An interested person should research further on their own.


a) 'Max' confessed to the crime.


Within hours of the body being found, the FBI and police had gotten a confession from him. The public was informed that he had confessed and many people considered that the end.


However a detective involved in the case got the Burmese language portion of the confession translated and noticed that the translator had been translating grossly inaccurately.


Further, many people who watch the confession may notice that it is not a "willing" confession. The accused is being blatantly physically menaced by the FBI agent and says again and again that he did not commit the crime, finally saying that although he did not do it, they can say that he did. Later he says that if the FBI and police are going to kill him he would like to speak to his mother beforehand.


The confession itself is so obviously flawed that it would be hard to imagine a jury convicting somebody who made it.


With that in mind, the confession was kept hidden from the jury on legalistic grounds and also was not available for public scrutiny until it was released and put online approximately 2 years ago. In that time there has been no public translation of the confession, and that is the update that this post will provide.


b) Aside from the confession, the second strongest piece of evidence used to convict him is considered by some, including his latest lawyer, to be the supposed bloodstain on his jacket.


However the problems with those supposed bloodstains are even more serious than the problems with the confession.


Briefly, the nature of the stain indicates that the jacket was parallel to the ground when it was deposited. In other words either Max was laying face down on the ground or the stains were placed on the jacket while it was on a flat surface and he was not wearing it. Further, the source of the blood was very close to the jacket. A person should look at references to bloostains by the FBI agent in the 'confession' video as well.


Worth noting too is that shortly after his arrest all of the blood on his clothing was tested and found to be his own blood, the result of an enthusiastic arrest.


It was only much later, when there was no other solid evidence in the case aside from the confession, that the new bloodstains were found. They are, at the very least, highly suspect. Considering that the bloodstains are not in any way at all what one would expect to find in such a case, they are not consistent with the crime scene at all, a person might ask the authorities in Utah to please produce a photograph of the stains on the jacket before it was tested.


c) Additional evidence used in the case, including the location of the body in his shower area and supposed dna evidence are much more easily discredited.


The dna evidence is consistent with the interaction he had with the child and are not consistent with him having killed the child. He was one of several people who had skin cells under the nails of the victim. There was no dna evidence presented that suggested he was the killer. There was dna evidence presented, and the prosecution said essentially 'we have dna evidence, therefore he is the killer', but the prosecution omitted mentioning that the dna evidence was not consistent with his being the killer.


Likewise, the body being in his shower is not an indicator of guilt. His roommates were overtly unfriendly towards him. They were all drinkers and enjoyed 'having fun'. Max was a somewhat observant Muslim who did not drink with them. They had easy access to his shower area, as did many other people since the apartment was usually unlocked. If Max had killed the child and left the body in his own shower it is unlikely that he would then feign ignorance of the crime. The police tried to skewer this fact by saying he fled when they approaced him.


So the first bit of news the public, including future jurors, were given was that he had confessed and tried to flee when police approached. These supposed facts saturated early reports on the case.


Did he flee, as the police claimed? At trial a police officer admitted that when they knocked down the door of the family he was visiting he came into the room to see what was going on. The police yelled at him in English, which he did not speak, to lie down. Although he was fully compliant and non threatening, and fully aware that there was a language barrier, the police anyway proceeded to beat him. So no, he did not flee.


d) Aside from the fact that Max is probably not guilty of the crime, there is a much darker aspect of this case, perhaps the reason it is so difficult to get people to look accurately at the facts.


When a person, particularly a child, goes missing, it is common to fudge the timeframe. If a person looks at the time that the child was reported as having gone missing, the earliest possible time the child could have disappeared, there is a brief window in which Max could have committed the crime quickly. But when the child went missing the family called a social worker, and the social worker would have known that the police do not search for a child missing only a short time, since 99.9% of the time the child is simply off on some adventure. The social worker would have stretched the disappearance to its earliest possible time. Even if the child had left the apartment to play half an hour later than was initially reported to the police Max would not have had time to commit the crime and catch the last possible bus he could have taken to meet with his uncle.


Briefly, the evidence, including time of disappearance, rigor mortis timeline, etc, strongly suggests that the child was alive in the apartment, with one or more of the roommates, when police conducted their initial search. The four roommates were in the apartment at that time but refused to answer the aggressive pounding on the door. In fact among the many dozens of residents at that apartment complex the roommates were the only ones who were not able to hear police pounding at their door and who did not have their apartment searched.


Were the police negligent in that regard? It is irrelevent but their interests are clearly not served by looking at the facts in this case.


e) Max 'confessed', of course. An absurd confession but as long as nobody saw it it could be passed to the public as fact. But what of the roommates? In fact they were each interviewed on video too. They painted Max as the killer, but their statements are full of inconsistencies. Despite some positively headscratching comments by the roommates, as well as contradictions between the various roommates, the police report notes that the roommates seemed to be truthful.


Max is in prison in Utah. Neither his interrogators nor the police, the FBI, the judge have shown any remorse for what they have done. Of course he has no money for a competent lawyer and the police and FBI have no interest in having a truly horrendous work of prosecution examined further.
 
This is the first of five tapes. The others will be posted when available. They have not been translated yet and include only the Burmese portion of the conversation.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/g1ug6xrkeuz05yk/Confession tape 1.docx?dl=0

http://pastebin.com/2ANpRMCb

http://s0.docspal.com/files/processed/29/11577629-ufaunhdo/Confession tape 1.txt

01:00
T: မင္းနာမည္ ေမးေနတယ္ ဘယ္သူလဲတဲ့
01:04
S: အာ ဆာမက္
01:06
T: မင္းနာမည္ ဆာမက္
01:29
T: စႏိုးေတြ႕ဖူးၿပီလား ဒီမွာ
စႏိုးေတြ႔ဖူးၿပီလားတဲ့
01:32
S: ေတြ႔ဖူးတယ္
02:02
T: ညီေလးဒီကို ဘာေၾကာင့္ ေရာက္လာတယ္ဆိုတာ သိလားတဲ့
02:06
S: မသိဘူး
02:12
T: ညီေလး ဘာ့ေၾကာင့္ ဒီေရာက္လာတယ္ဆိုတာ သိလား မသိဘူးလား
02:23
T: သူ အားလုံးနဲ႔ မင္းအိမ္မွာ ေနတဲ့သူေတြ အားလုံးနဲ႔ စကားေျပာၿပီးသြားၿပီတဲ့ မင္းအိမ္မွာ ဘယ္ႏွေယာက္ေနလဲ လူအားလုံးနဲ႔ သူစကားေျပာၿပီးသြားၿပီတဲ့
02: 42
T: ၿပီးေတာ့ ဒီ ခုနက မင္းရဲ႕ အိမ္ထဲမွာ ရွိတဲ့ ျဖစ္ပ်က္ခဲ့တာ အားလုံးကို အေၾကာင္းအရာ အားလုံးကိုု သူသိၿပီးသြားၿပီတဲ့ ဒီေလာက္ဆို သိၿပီလား

02:55
T: မင္းက ေတာ္ေတာ္ကို ေတာ္ေတာ္လည္း ခုနလိုေပါ့
03:10
T: သူတို႔အားလုံးသိတယ္ ေနာက္ မင္းနဲ႔ အတူတူ ေနတဲ့လူေတြေပါ့ေလ သူတို႔အားလုံးကို စကားေျပာၿပီးတဲ့ အတြက္ အားလုံးသိတယ္
03:23
T: သူတို႔ အေနနဲ႔ မင္းကို ဇာတ္လမ္းေလး တစ္ပုဒ္လိုေပ့ါေလ ျပန္စေျပာမယ္
03:38
T: ဒါ မင္းရဲ႕ ဘဝအတြက္ကို ေတာ္ေတာ္ဆုိးဝါးတယ္ ဒီကိစၥေတြက ေနာ္..မင္းလုပ္ခဲ့တဲ့ ဒီကိစၥေတြက မင္းရဲ႕ ဘဝအတြက္ကို ေတာ္ေတာ္ ဆုိးဝါးတယ္
03:57
T: သူ႔အေနနဲ႔ မင္းဆုံးျဖတ္ေစခ်င္တယ္ ဘယ္လိုျဖစ္တာလဲတဲ့
04:03
S: ဘာကိုလဲ အစ္ကို ဘာကိုလဲ
04:24
S: အစ္ကို ဆုိလိုတာ ကၽြန္ေတာ္မွ သေဘာမေပါက္ဘဲ
04:27
T: မင္းျမန္မာ စကားေရာတတ္တယ္မလား
S: ဟုတ္ကဲ့တတ္တယ္
T: သူတို႔က အခု အခု အျဖစ္အပ်က္တစ္ခုကို ျဖစ္ေနတယ္
04:48
T: ဒီကေလး အခု ေသသြားၿပီတဲ့ မင္းသတ္တာတဲ့
S: မဟုတ္ဘူး

05:06
T: မင္းကိုေျပာျပမယ္ သူ႔အေနနဲ႔ မင္းကိုေျပာျပမယ္ သူတို႔ အေနနဲ႔ ေျပာသင့္တာ ေျပာထုိက္တာ ေျပာျပမယ္
မင္း အေနနဲ႔ကလည္း မင္း အမွန္တရားကို မင္း ေျပာရမယ္ ခံဝန္ခ်က္တစ္ခု
05:19
T: ခုနလိုေပါ့ ေျပာၿပီး ဆုိၿပီးတဲ့ဟာ အားလုံးကို မင္းတိတ္ဆိတ္စြာေနရမယ္ တိတ္တိတ္ ဆိတ္ဆိတ္ေနရမယ္
05:25
T: နားလည္လားတဲ့ နားလည္လား
05:37
T: ခုနလိုေပါ့ ခုနလိုေပ့ါ မင္းေျပာတဲ့အရာေတြ အားလုံးက ဘာပဲ ေျပာေျပာ ဒီအရာေတြ အားလုံးက ေနာ္ ဒီေန႔မင္းေျပာတဲ့ ခုန သူတို႔ ေမးခ်င္တာ ရွိ ေမးလိမ့္မယ္ ဟုတ္လား ေမးၿပီးေတာ့ မင္းျပန္ေျဖမယ္ ဒီေျပာတဲ့ စကားေတြ အားလုံးက တရားရုံးထိ တက္ရမယ့္ စကားေတြခ်ည္းပဲ အဲဒါ ေနာ္
05:55
T: မင္းနားလည္လားတဲ့
06:06
T: ခုနလုိေပ့ါ မင္းအေနနဲ႔ စကားတစ္ခု မေျပာခင္မွာ မင္းအေနနဲ႔ ျပန္ေျပာ.. ခုနလိုေပါ့ မင္းသိတဲ့ အေၾကာင္းအရာေတြ ျပန္ေျပာပိုင္ခြင့္ရွိတယ္ ခုနလိုေပ့ါ မင္းမဟုတ္ဘူး ဘာျဖစ္တယ္ ညာျဖစ္တယ္ မင္းျပန္ေျပာပိုင္ခြင့္ရွိတယ္ အဲဒါ မင္းရဲ႕ လြတ္လပ္ခြင့္
06:20
T: နားလည္လားတဲ့
ကိုယ့္ေမးလို႔ ကုိယ္ဟုတ္ရင္ ဟုတ္တယ္ ကုိယ္မဟုတ္ရင္ မဟုတ္ဘူး အမွန္အတိုင္း ေျပာရမယ္ အားလုံးက မင္း တရားရုံးမွာ ဒါေတြအားလုံးရင္ဆုိင္ရမယ္
06:37
T: ခုနကလိုေပါ့ ဒီဘာ မင္းကို တြန္းအားေပးတဲ့ အေနအထားမ်ဳိး မင္းကို ဒီမွာ ဒဏ္ေငြျဖစ္ျဖစ္ သို႔မဟုတ္ ခုနလိုေပါ့ တစ္ခုခုေပါ့ အျပစ္ေပးျခင္းတစ္ခုခုေပါ့ ဒါေတြက ခုနကေပါ့ ျဖစ္လာတဲ့ ျပႆနာေပၚခံရမယ္

06:57
T: နားလည္လား အခု ေျပာတဲ့ဟာေတြ အကုန္လံုးကို
07:09
T: မင္းအခု စိတ္ကို ေအးေအးထားေနာ္ စိတ္ကို ေအးေအးထား တည္တည္ၿငိမ္ၿငိမ္ထား သူတို႔ေမးတာေတြ အားလုံးကို ေအးေအးေဆးေဆးေျဖ
ၿငိမ္ၿငိမ္ေနေလ ညီေလး ၿငိမ္ၿငိမ္ေနေလ ဘာျဖစ္လို႔လဲ ဗိုက္ဆာလို႔လား
S: ခ်မ္းလို႔ ခ်မ္းတယ္
07:36
T: အခုနတုန္းက မင္း ခ်မ္းတာ တစ္ခုတည္း မဟုတ္ဘူးတဲ့ သူသိတယ္တဲ့ မင္းတစ္ခုခု သူတို႔ကို ေျပာျပခ်င္လို႔တဲ့ ဘာေျပာျပခ်င္လဲ ေျပာလိုက္
07:45
S: ဒီကေလးေလးသိတယ္ဆုိုတာ ဒီကေလးက ကၽြန္ေတာ္နဲ႔လည္း ခင္တယ္ ကၽြန္ေတာ္နဲ႔လည္း အၿမဲကစားတယ္ စက္ဘီးေတြဘာေတြ ေတာင္းစီးတယ္ ကၽြန္္ေတာ္အၿမဲ စက္ဘီးနဲ႔တင္ေပးတယ္ စက္ဘီးတူတူစီးတယ္
အခုသူေသသြားၿပီဆုိေတာ့ ဘယ္သူသတ္လို႔ သတ္မွန္းမွ မသိတဲ့ဟာႀကီးက ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ကို တုိင္ၾကားတယ္ ဆိုေတာ့ ကၽြန္ေတာ္ ဘယ္လုိလုပ္ ေျပာလို႔တတ္ေတာ့မလဲ
08:13
S: ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ညီမေလးတစ္ေယာက္လို ျဖစ္ေနၿပီ ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ ညီမေလး အရင္းတစ္ေယာက္လို ျဖစ္ေနၿပီ အဲဒီကေလးက
08:48
T: သူေသသြားတာ မင္းရဲ႕ ေရခ်ဳိးခန္းထဲမွာ ေသသြားတာတဲ့
09:05
T: ကေလးရဲ႕ ခႏၶာကိုယ္မွာ မင္းရဲ႕ ဒီေျခေထာက္နဲ႔ ကန္ထားတဲ့ အရာ ေသြးေတြထြက္ၿပီးေတာ့ ေတြ႕ရတယ္တဲ့
မင္းရဲ႕ေရခ်ဳိးခန္းထဲမွာ
S: အဲဒါေတာ့ မျဖစ္ႏိုင္ဘူး
ဘယ္လိုျဖစ္လို႔ မျဖစ္ႏိုင္လဲဆုိေတာ့ ကၽြန္ေတာ္လည္း အဲဒီေန႔မနက္က ရီႏြတ္က ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ကို ဖုန္းထုိးၿပီး ေျပာတဲ့ မနက္က ကေလးေပ်ာက္တယ္လို႔ ေျပာတဲ့မနက္က ကၽြန္ေတာ္ ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ဦးေလးအိမ္သြားတယ္ စက္ဘီး ဘီးေပါက္ေနလို႔ ေကာ္ဝယ္လုိ႔ရတယ္ ဆိုလို႔ အဲဒါ ေကာ္သြားပုိ႔တာ ကၽြန္ေတာ္ ေကာ္သြားပို႔ေတာ့ ဟိုေရာက္လို႔ ႏွစ္နာရီ သုံးနာရီေလာက္ၾကေတာ့ ဒီကေန ဖုန္းထိုးၿပီး ေမးတယ္ ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ကို သိလား မင္းနဲဲ႔ ကစားတဲ့ ညီမေလး ေပ်ာက္ေနတယ္တဲ့
T: ဘယ္သူက ဖုန္းထိုးတာလဲ ဘယ္သူက ဖုန္းထုိးတာလဲ
S: ရီႏြတ္က
T: ဟင္
S: ရီႏြတ္
T: ရီႏြတ္ ဆိုတာ ဘယ္သူလဲ
10:11
T: မင္း ဘီးေပါက္တယ္ ဘယ္သူ စက္ဘီးေပါက္တာလဲ
S: ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ဦးေလး
T: မင္းဦးေလး..ဘယ္အခ်ိန္က မင္းကို လာေခၚလဲ..ဘီးေပါက္တယ္ ဘယ္သူက ဘီးေပါက္တာလဲ မင္းက ေပါက္တာလား မင္းဦးေလးက ေပါက္တာလား
S: ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ဦးေလးကေပါက္တာ ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ကို စက္ဘီးဖာဖို႔ ေကာ္ဝယ္ခဲ့ခိုင္းတာ
T: မင္းမွာ ဖုန္းရွိတယ္ေပ့ါ
S: အိမ္ဖုန္းပဲေပ့ါ
11:00
T: အခု မင္းက ခုနလိုေပါ့ မင္းဦးေလးဖုန္းဆက္တယ္ မင္းက ေကာ္သြားဝယ္ေပးတယ္ ေကာ္သြားဝယ္ၿပီး မင္း
မင္းဦးေလးဆီ သြားပို႔ေပးတယ္
S: သြားပုိ႔ေပးတဲ့ ေနာက္ပုိင္းမွာပဲ ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ကိုဖုန္းနဲ႔ လွမ္းေျပာတဲ့သူက ကေလးတစ္ေယာက္ ေပ်ာက္ေနတယ္တဲ့ ကၽြန္ေတာ္က ကေလးက ေပ်ာက္တယ္ဆိုေတာ့ ဒီကေလးက သြားလည္ေနတယ္ပဲ ထင္ၿပီးေတာ့ ကၽြန္ေတာ္ ေအးေဆးပဲ ေနေနတာ ေနာက္ေတာ့ မနက္အေစာတုန္းက ကၽြန္ေတာ္ျပန္လာမလို႔ ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ အေဒၚကေျပာတယ္ မသြားနဲ႔ဦး သူတို႔နဲ႔ အတူတူ ျပန္မယ္တဲ့ သူတို႔လည္း လာမယ္ေပ့ါ ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ အေမကို သိတယ္ဆိုေတာ့ လာမယ္ဆိုေတာ့ ကၽြန္ေတာ္အိပ္ေနတယ္ ေနာက္ခဏေနက်ေတာ့ ဒီက ပုလိပ္ေတြ ေရာက္လာတယ္ ေရာက္လာၿပီး ေသနတ္ေတြနဲ႔ ကၽြန္ေတာ္ ဘာလုပ္မွန္းေတာင္ မသိလုိက္ရဘူူး
11:50
T: အစက ျပန္ေျပာကြာ အစကျပန္ေျပာ
12:01
T: အိုေက ညီေလး အစ္ကုိ႔ကို တစ္ခုစီ ရွင္းျပေနာ္
ခုနက မင္းေကာ္သြားဝယ္တယ္ေျပာတယ္ သူေမးတယ္ ဘယ္ဆုိင္မွာ ေကာ္ဝယ္လဲတဲ့
S: ေကာ္ဝယ္တာ ကၽြန္ေတာ္ဝယ္တာ မဟုတ္ဘူး ရီႏြတ္ဝယ္တာ
T: ရီႏြတ္ ဆိုတာ ဘယ္သူလဲ
S: ဒီကေလးမေလးနဲ႔ တန္းလ်ားတစ္ခုတည္းပဲ ေနတာ
T: မင္းခုနကေျပာေတာ့ မင္းသြားဝယ္တာဆုိ ေကာ္က
S: ေကာ္က ကၽြန္ေတာ္သြားဝယ္တာမဟုတ္ဘူး ရီႏြတ္သြားဝယ္တာ ရီႏြတ္ဝယ္ၿပီးမွ ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ လာေပးၿပီးမွ ကၽြန္ေတာ္ သြားပို႔ေပးတာ ရီႏြတ္နဲ႔ အဲဒီ ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ ဦးေလးတို႔နဲ႔က စကားမေျပာဘူး
T: ရီႏြတ္ဆုိတာ ဘယ္အရြယ္ရွိၿပီလဲ
S: လူငယ္ပဲ
T: ရီႏြတ္ဆိုတာ ေယာက္်ားေလးလား
S: ေယာက်္ားေလး
12:58
T: မင္းသြားမဝယ္ဘူးေပါ့
S: ကၽြန္ေတာ္သြားဝယ္တာမဟုတ္ဘူး
13:08
T: ဘယ္တုန္းက စေတြ႕လဲ ဒီကေလးကို ဒီကေလးကို ဘယ္တုန္းက စေတြ႕လဲတဲ့
S: ကၽြန္ေတာ္ အဲဒီဘက္ စစ ေရာက္ခ်င္းပဲေပါ့ ကၽြန္ေတာ္ စေရာက္ေတာ့ တစ္ရက္ ႏွစ္ရက္ေနေတာ့
T: ေအးအဲဒါ ဘယ္တုန္းကလဲ ဘယ္ႏွလပုိင္း ဘယ္ႏွရက္လဲ ဒီလပုိင္းလား မတ္လလား ေဖေဖၚဝါရီလလား
ဘယ္လကလဲ တစ္လပုိင္းလား ႏွစ္လပုိင္းလား သုံးလပုိင္းလား သူ႔ကို ဘယ္တုန္းက စသိလဲ စျမင္ဖူးလဲ
S: ႏွစ္လပိုင္းေလာက္ကေပါ့
T: ႏွစ္လပုိင္း
13:49
T: လွလားတဲ့
S: လွတာေပါ့ ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ညီမေလးလိုပဲ
13:58
T: ဓာတ္ပုံကိုင္ထားတဲ့
14:01
T: လွလားတဲ့
S: လွတာေပါ့
14:06
T: ႀကိဳက္လားတဲ့ ႀကိဳက္လားတဲ့
S: ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ ညီမအရြယ္ပဲ ဘယ္လိုလုပ္ ႀကိဳက္လို႔ရမွာလဲ
14:23
T: မင္းဒီေကာင္မေလးကို လွတယ္လို႔ မေတြးမိဘူးလား
14:30
T: ရုပ္ဆုိးလားတဲ့
S: ရုပ္ေတာ့မဆုိးဘူး
14:40
T: မင္းသူနဲ႔ အခ်ိန္ျဖဳန္းဖူးလားတဲ့
14:46
T: မင္းခုနလိုေပါ့ အတူတူကစားတယ္ အတူတူ စက္ဘီးစီးတယ္ ေနာက္ေတာ့ဘာလဲ
S: အဲဒါပဲ ကၽြန္ေတာ္ စက္ဘီးထြက္စီးေတာ့ ကၽြန္ေတာ္စက္ဘီးထြက္စီးတဲ့အခ်ိန္ သူနဲ႔ေတြ႔မွပဲ သူေတာင္းစီးရင္ ေပးစီးတယ္ တစ္ပတ္ႏွစ္ပတ္စီးၿပီး ျပန္ထားလိုက္တယ္ အဲဒီစက္ဘီးကို
15:04
S: သူတို႔ အဲအေရွ႕မွာပဲ
15:26
T: ဒီေကာင္မေလး ညီေလး ညီေလးတို႔ ေအာက္ထပ္ကိုေပါ့ေလ ဘယ္အခ်ိန္ေလာက္ ပထမဆုံး အရင္ စလာလည္လဲတဲ့
S: ကၽြန္ေတာ္ရွိတုန္း သူေအာက္ထပ္ တစ္ခါမွ မသြားဖူးဘူး ကၽြန္ေတာ္နဲ႔ ခင္ေနတာေတာ့မွန္တယ္ ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ ေအာက္ထပ္ကို သူတစ္ခါမွ မလာဘူး
15:50
T: ဒါေပမဲ့တဲ့ မေန႔က မေန႔ကတည္းက ဒီေကာင္မေလးက မင္းေအာက္ထပ္ကို ေရာက္ေနတယ္တဲ့ မင္းရဲ႕ ေရခ်ဳိးခန္းထဲမွာတဲ့ ေသေနတယ္တဲ့
16:04
T: မေန႔က မေန႔က အဲဒီကေလး ေပ်ာက္တဲ့အခ်ိန္မွာ ဒီအိမ္မွာ ရွိတဲ့လူက မင္းတစ္ေယာက္ပဲ ရွိတယ္တဲ့
16:27
T: ခုနက တနလၤာေန႔က ဒီေကာင္မေလးလာသြားတာ ဘာျဖစ္လဲတဲ့ မင္းတို႔အိမ္မွာ
S: သူလာတာကေတာ့ သူ႔အေဖာ္နဲ႔ လာတာပဲ သူနဲ႔ရြယ္တူကေလး သူနဲ႔ ရြယ္တူ တစ္ေယာက္ပါတယ္ သူ႔ထက္ ငယ္တာ တစ္ေယာက္ပါတယ္ ရုပ္ရွင္ေတြၾကည့္တယ္ ၾကည့္ၿပီး သူတို႔ျပန္သြားတယ္
T: သုံးေယာက္လုံးျပန္သြားတာလား
S: အင္း
T: ဘယ္အခ်ိန္ေလာက္လဲ
17:22
T: ႏွစ္ေယာက္ပဲ ျပန္သြားတာ မဟုတ္ဘူးလားတဲ့
17:26
S: သုံးေယာက္လုံးျပန္သြားတာ
17:28
S: တူတူပဲ ျပန္သြားတာ သူတို႔
17:38
T: သူတို႔အေနနဲ႔ မယုံၾကည္ဘူး
17:51
T: အခုနက ဒီေကာင္မေလး သုံးေယာက္လာၿပီးတဲ့အခါမွာ ေနာ္ မင္းအိမ္မွာ သြားလည္တယ္ သြားလည္ၿပီး
အဲဒီကေလးမေလး အဲဒီအိမ္ကို ေရာက္ၿပီးတဲ့အခ်ိန္မွာ ဘယ္သူမွ မေတြ႕ေတာ့ဘူးတဲ့
18:09
T: ေနာက္တစ္ခါမွာ တစ္စုံတစ္ေယာက္ေသာသူက ေတြ႕တဲ့အခါမွာတဲ့
18:16
T: ေတြ႕တဲ့အခါမွာ အဲဒီေကာင္မေလးက ေသေနၿပီ မင္းရဲ႕ မင္းရဲ႕ ေရခ်ဳိးခန္းထဲမွာ
18:28
S: အဲဒါဆုိရင္ေတာ့ မဟုတ္ႏိုင္ဘူး
18:31
S: ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ဆီ လာတဲ့အခ်ိန္က ရီႏြတ္ညီမေလးရယ္ သူရယ္ ရီႏြတ္တူေလးရယ္ သူတို႔သုံးေယာက္လာတယ္
T: ခဏေလး သူရယ္
S: သူရယ္ ရီႏြတ္ ညီမေလးရယ္
T: မင္းရဲ႕ညီမေလး ရွိေသးတယ္ေပ့ါ
S: ရီႏြတ္ ရီႏြတ္
T: ရီႏြတ္
S: ေအး
T: ရီႏြတ္ဆုိတာ ကရင္လား
S: မြတ္စလင္ပါ
T: ရီႏြတ္ညီမေလး
S: ေအး ေနာက္ၿပီး ရီႏြတ္ တူေလးတစ္ေယာက္ရွိေသးတယ္
T: ရီႏြတ္ တူေလးရယ္
S: ေအး သူတို႔ သုံးေယာက္ အတူတူလာတယ္ ရုပ္ရွင္ၾကည့္တယ္ ကာတြန္းကားေတာ့ သူတို႔ဟာ သူတို႔ ဖြင့္ၾကည့္တယ္ ကာတြန္းကားၾကည့္ၿပီးျပန္သြားတယ္
T: ဒီေကာင္မေလးရယ္ ရီႏြတ္ရဲ႕ညီမေလးရယ္ ရီႏြတ္ရဲ႕ တူရယ္ သုံးေယာက္လာတယ္ ရီႏြတ္က မင္း ဟိုဟာ မြတ္စလင္ပဲေပါ့
S: ဟုတ္ကဲ့
19:45
T: အဲဒီ သူတို႔လာေတာ့ မင္းအိမ္မွာ ဘာလုပ္ၾကလဲ သူတို႔
S: သူတို႔ တီဗီ ၾကည့္တယ္ ကာတြန္းကားလည္းၾကည့္တယ္
20:00
T: တယ္လီဗီးရွင္းလား ဒီဗီြဒီလား
02:03
T: ဘယ္အခ်ိန္ေလာက္လဲ
S: မနက္ပဲေပ့ါ
T: ဘယ္အခ်ိန္လဲ
20:08
T: သူေမးတာ ဘယ္အခ်ိန္ လာလဲတဲ့
S: မနက္ပုိင္း အဲဒီေန႔က သူလာတာ ၉ နာရီေလာက္ရွိတယ္
02:26
T: ခုနက ေန႔ခင္း ၂ နာရီေလာက္မွာ သူျပန္သြားတာမဟုတ္လား သူျပန္လား မျပန္ဘူးလား
S: ျပန္သြားတယ္ သုံးေယာက္တူတူပဲျပန္သြားတယ္
T: ဘယ္ႏွနာရီေလာက္ျပန္သြားလဲ
S: ၂ နာရီေလာက္ျပန္သြားတယ္
T: အကုန္လုံးလား
S: သုံးေယာက္လုံးတူတူပဲ ျပန္သြားတယ္
20:56
T: အဲဒီ ျပန္သြားတဲ့သူ သုံးေယာက္လုံးရဲ႕ နာမည္ကိုု ေျပာလို႔ရမလားတဲ့ ျပန္သြားတဲ့သူ သုံးေယာက္လုံးနာမည္
S: ရီႏြတ္ညီမနာမည္ ညီမ အငယ္ရယ္ ေနာက္ ဟိုကေလးေလးတစ္ေယာက္ ကၽြန္ေတာ္ နာမည္ ေခၚမတတ္ဘူး သူ႕နာမည္လည္း ကၽြန္ေတာ္မသိဘူး
21:29
T: သူ႔နာမည္သိလားတဲ့
S: မသိဘူး
21:36
T: မေန႔က
21:39
T: ၂ နာရီေလာက္မွာ
21:46
T: အဲဒီ ကေလးႏွစ္ေယာက္နဲ႔ အတူ ျပန္သြားတယ္ ဟုတ္လား ၂ နာရီ ေလာက္မွာ
S: အင္း
21:54
T: မင္းအိမ္မွာ ဘယ္ႏွနာရီေလာက္ ေနခဲ့လဲ
S: သုံးနာရီေလာက္ ေနခဲ့တယ္ သုံးနာရီေလာက္ အတူတူ ေနခဲ့ၿပီးေတာ့ သူျပန္သြားေတာ့ သူျပန္သြားတဲ့အခ်ိန္ လြယ္အိတ္တစ္လုံး လြယ္သြားတယ္ သူတို႔လည္းသြားၿပီးေတာ့ ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ဦးေလးအိမ္ သြားမယ္ဆုိၿပီး ကၽြန္ေတာ္ ထြက္သြားတယ္
23:11
T: ခုနက ရဲေတြကေနၿပီးေတာ့ ကေလးကို လုိက္ရွာေနၾကတယ္ အဲဒီအခ်ိန္မွာ မင္းဘယ္ေရာက္ေနလဲတဲ့
S: ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ ဦးေလးအိမ္မွာ ရွိေနတယ္
23:28
T: မင္းသိလား ဒီကေလး ေပ်ာက္လို႔ဆုိၿပီး လူေတြ လုိက္ရွာေနတယ္ဆိုတာ မင္းသိလားတဲ့
S: ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ကို ရီႏြတ္လွမ္းေျပာတာေပ့ါ ကေလးတစ္ေယာက္ မင္းနဲ႔ ကစားတဲ့ ကေလးက ေပ်ာက္ေနတယ္တဲ့ ရဲေတြရွာေနတယ္တဲ့ ရွာေနတယ္ဆိုေတာ့ ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ဆီက ျပန္သြားတဲ့ ဥစၥာ ဘယ္လို သြားေပ်ာက္မလဲ ဒီကေလးက
S: ေအး အဲဒီ ရီႏြတ္က မင္းကို ဘယ္မွာေျပာတာလဲ
T: ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ ဦးေလးအိမ္မွာ ကၽြန္ေတာ္ ရွိေနတယ္ သူ႔အိမ္ကေန ဖုန္းနဲ႔လွမ္းေျပာတယ္
24:29
T: ဒါဆို မင္းအေစာႀကီးတည္းက သိေနတယ္ေပါ့ ဒီကေလး ေပ်ာက္ေနတယ္ဆိုတာ
S: ကေလး စေပ်ာက္တဲ့ အခ်ိန္က ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ကို ဖုန္းလွမ္းထုိးေတာ့ ကၽြန္ေတာ္ သိတာေပါ့ သိၿပီးေတာ့ ကၽြန္ေတာ္ စဥ္းစားတယ္ ဟင္ ဒီကေလးက ဘယ္မွသြားတတ္တာလည္း မဟုတ္ဘူး သူသြားရင္ သူ႔နားတစ္ဝိုက္မွာပဲ ရွိမယ္ ဒီေကာင္သက္သက္ ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ကို ေျခာက္တာပဲေလ ဆိုၿပီးေတာ့ ကၽြန္ေတာ္ ေအးေအးေဆးေဆး ေနမိလိုက္တယ္..ေနာက္ ေနာက္ ညအိပ္လုိက္ၿပီးေတာ့ ေနာက္ေန႔က်မွ..
T: ညက ဘယ္မွာအိပ္လဲ
S: ဦးေလးအိမ္မွာ အိပ္တယ္
T: ဦးေလး အိမ္မွာပဲ
S: ဟုတ္ကဲ့
25:51
T: ဘာလို႔ ဘာလို႔ ရဲကိုမေခၚလဲတဲ့ မင္းအေနနဲ႔ ဒီကေလးေလးက ကၽြန္ေတာ္နဲ႔ ႏွစ္နာရီ မတိုင္ခင္မွာ ကၽြန္ေတာ့္မွာ ရွိပါတယ္ ကၽြန္ေတာ္နဲ႔ အတူကစားေနပါတယ္ဆိုတာ ဘာလို႔မေခၚလဲတဲ့ ရဲကို သတင္းမပို႔လဲတဲ့
S: ကၽြန္ေတာ္သတင္းပို႔ရင္ ကၽြန္ေတာ္ေျပာမွ မတတ္ဘူး
26:12
T: မင္း ဒိျပင္လူေရာ ေျပာျပေသးလား ဒီကေလးေလး ႏွစ္ေယာက္နဲ႔ ေတြ႕ခဲ့တယ္ ဘာညာဆိုတာကို ဘယ္သူ႔ကို ေျပာျပေသးလƞ
 
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