UT - Kylen Schulte, 24, & Crystal Beck, 38, newlywed couple found dead, Grand County, 18 Aug 2021

[Shamrock1]

You are entitled to define sexual assault however you want. But even if I'm dead, if someone pulls my shirt and bra up, I consider that SA. And so would my family, so there's that. Necrophilia is a thing and it's an awful thing.

We can agree to respectfully disagree.

We do not know that K's father was "screaming." He was emphatic.

I don't know anyone who pulls someone's bra and shirt up, runs 50 feet away and considers that "intimacy." It's very disrespectful to think that such a thing is normal sexual practice - for anyone, but particularly for two women who were already scared (and who are dead). Not only that, but it seems clear that the bra thing was post-mortem.

You can look at it differently, but I still think it's disrespectful to insist on one meaning of SA and not regard other meanings as potentials in this case.

"Bra pulled up" is a VERY uncomfortable way to sleep. Who does that? 1 in 10,000,000 women? People take their bras off to sleep, yes. But they don't go to a creek bed, separate from each other, and then one of them pulls their shirt up (away from the other one) and the other person pulls up both her shirt and the front part of her bra.

It's a classic sign of sexual assault - it's seen in serial killers. And I think if theres' *any* possibility that a serial killer is on the loose (or in jail in Richfield, UT), we should pay attention to it.

Woah. I don’t disagree. Perhaps I should have been more clear. At the time I wrote that, the only mention of SA was from the father. And the “screaming” was a quote from the woman who found them: “Sean was screaming at me to run back to my car.” Footage Shows Last Time Slain Camping Couple Seen Alive

 

[Yuletide]

Really? I've talked to many locals who say there was sexual assault - they don't think it's normal for women to be found away from their campsites with their breasts exposed. Shirts pulled up, etc. Am I wrong about the scene? I'm going on what I'm hearing from friends.

Sexual assault isn't just rape involving ejaculation.

Warrant reveals additional details in double homicide | The Times-Independent

Now, you can say that women typically move away from their tents/campgrounds while partially undressed (after seeing a creeper) but I find that counter to common sense and misogynistic. These women were worried about their safety. Mentioned it to friends.

From the article: "one of the two “had on a bra that was raised to expose her breasts,” according to the warrant." Hmm. Like women fall to the ground and then raise up their bras or run around raising up their bras (their shirts were also raised up - so this wasn't a 2 am frolic in a nearly. dry creekbed wherein one woman fell to the ground and then pulled up her own bra).

It's not common sense to think that a woman would lie down in a creek bed and pull up her bra (without unfastening from the back first). Come on.

That's sexual assault. And of a particular type that will help find the perp, or perps. IMO.

 

[Yuletide]

No need to attack. I was unaware of how they were found. There were many others on here wondering the same thing. I recognize sexual assault which Is what I think you are challenging me on. I just wasn’t aware of how they were found.

 

[Yuletide]

Woah. I don’t disagree. Perhaps I should have been more clear. At the time I wrote that, the only mention of SA was from the father. And the “screaming” was a quote from the woman who found them: “Sean was screaming at me to run back to my car.” Footage Shows Last Time Slain Camping Couple Seen Alive

 

[Yuletide]

Agreed. There has been limited information.

 

[Yemelyan]

My bad for sure. I have limited information. Sexual assault was definitely the case, in addition to murder

It's okay - easy to miss certain things in the news cycle.

I think you probably also hoped, like many here, that they weren't subjected to that type of assault in addition to being murdered. So people do try to look for other explanations (maybe they were just bathing, etc). Unfortunately, violence against women usually has a sexual component on some level. I have heard criminologists say that any time there is a disarrangement of the clothing in this manner that sexual motivation has to be a focused line of inquiry for LE even if there is no DNA recovered that is indicative of sexual assault. JMO.

 

[carbuff]

re: Conspiracy to commit murder--it can include acts as simple as loaning your vehicle to a friend or giving him a ride home from the bar when you suspect he intends to or did commit a crime. Could be the murderer texted somebody to come pick him up, or something along those lines.

 

[Deleted member 239019]

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Cindy S the lady who discovered kylen and Crystal's bodies revisits the place she found them.
A good look into the area and where they were found ect

Skip to 14.50 to see exact point.
13.20 shows how you can see all the whispering oak cabins pretty much in the distance ....

As it features Cindy s describing exactly what she discovered in the exact spot she discovered them both is why I thought it to be viable!!

 

[Seattle1]

This case is about to be getting some good exposure ! Brian confirms he's in Moab for both this dual murder and GS investigation.


Brian Entin@BrianEntin

We made it to Moab.



4:18 PM · Oct 26, 2021

 

[Seattle1]

Warrant seeks new information in Moab double homicide of Kylen Schulte, Crystal Turner | ABC4 Utah

10/25/21

MOAB, Utah (ABC4) – Over two months ago, the bodies of Kylen Schulte and Crystal Turner were found at a campsite near Moab. Since then, authorities have been investigating to determine what happened and who is responsible. A newly-released affidavit for a search warrant may offer insight into what is happening in the investigation.

Schulte and Turner were last seen on the night of Friday, August 13, at a bar in Moab. Days later, Schulte and Turner were found dead at a campsite near Moab. In early September, a warrant detailing what officers found when they arrived at the campsite six days later offered new insight into the case. Among the new details were how Schulte and Turner were found in a nearby creek, with multiple gunshot wounds.

[..]

Now, a recently-released affidavit for a search warrant shines a light on an otherwise quiet investigation.

The affidavit, obtained by ABC4, was signed on September 20 and executed on the same day. In it, investigators request a “tower dump” from a cell tower at Jimmy Keen Flats, not far from the campsite of Schulte and Turner, from 9 p.m. on August 13 through 9 a.m. on Sunday, August 15. Additionally, the affidavit states this could be limited to “those phones that are only within two miles of the crime scene.”

According to investigators, a single Samsung cellphone was found at the crime scene and is currently considered evidence. It is unclear who the phone belongs to.

[..]

The affidavit goes on to state that the information is “evidence of the crime or crimes of Murder, conspiracy to commit murder, tampering with evidence, sexual assault, desecration of a corpse, rape.” It is currently unclear what, if anything, was found when the search warrant was executed after being signed by a judge.

 

[blackbeary]

This case is about to be getting some good exposure ! Brian confirms he's in Moab for both this dual murder and GS investigation.


Brian Entin@BrianEntin

We made it to Moab.



4:18 PM · Oct 26, 2021

This is the best news!

 

[swedeheart]

https://twitter.com/BrianEntin/status/1453229969975480322

I interviewed Cindy Sue Hunter today. She was searching for Kylen Schulte and Crystal Turner near Moab – when she saw their car – then saw a body. The double murder is unsolved. We will feature the case as part of our special Thursday on NewsNation.

 

[swedeheart]

Here is Brian walking around the area of the Moonflower:

(13 minute video at link)

https://twitter.com/BrianEntin/status/1453212468172320768




Brian Entin
@BrianEntin
Moab.

 

[swedeheart]

Brian Entin
@BrianEntin

I'm in Moab now - anyone IN MOAB with information you want to share please DM or email me. Email is easier for me to keep track of. [email protected]

 

[swedeheart]

https://twitter.com/NewsNationNow/status/1453183679359078404

NewsNation Now
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It's been more than two months since the bodies of Kylen Schulte and Crystal Turner were found at a campsite near Moab, Utah. Since then, authorities have been investigating to determine what happened and who is responsible.

Video interview with PI at Twitter link, above, and at this link, too:

Moab double homicide: Warrant seeks new information

 

[Seattle1]

With news of the Geofence Warrant and the possibility of satellite imagery purchases, I'm encouraged that real progress is happening with this case. Justice will be sweet.

 

[Deerrun]

I am stuck on the conspiracy evidence as it seems to relate to the phone. (Or maybe I am reading that wrong) There was only one phone found at the scene and we do not know who it belongs to. I am thinking imo it has to be the girls phone. Did they share one or is one of their phones missing? How do they know conspiracy? Were there pics of the corpses taken by the perp in a taunting way on the phone? Maybe pics with shadows of 2 people. It is pitch black out there at night, I have assumed this happened in the morning but that's just a guess. I read the definitions of conspiracy that someone posted a few pages back and I am stumped as to how investigators suspect this. I understand this could be before or after the crime but why would anyone let on to committing the murders unless they were involved in the murders. Sorry, I could go on and on, so many questions. Glad Brian E is there. moo

 

[Yemelyan]

I am stuck on the conspiracy evidence as it seems to relate to the phone. (Or maybe I am reading that wrong) There was only one phone found at the scene and we do not know who it belongs to. I am thinking imo it has to be the girls phone. Did they share one or is one of their phones missing? How do they know conspiracy? Were there pics of the corpses taken by the perp in a taunting way on the phone? Maybe pics with shadows of 2 people. It is pitch black out there at night, I have assumed this happened in the morning but that's just a guess. I read the definitions of conspiracy that someone posted a few pages back and I am stumped as to how investigators suspect this. I understand this could be before or after the crime but why would anyone let on to committing the murders unless they were involved in the murders. Sorry, I could go on and on, so many questions. Glad Brian E is there. moo

The conspiracy piece of the crime does not necessarily relate to the Samsung phone, as they don't yet know who that belongs to. The conspiracy (likewise the murder, rape, desecration of a corpse, etc etc) relates to the reason for the warrant itself, which is the cell tower data. The warrant is saying that because of evidence of these crimes - murder, conspiracy to commit, rape, etc - they have probable cause to know which phones were pinging off the tower within a certain distance and within two days of the crime. Normally this language is written very carefully to avoid later being inadmissible due to privacy laws. They would have asked for this data whether or not a phone had been found at the scene, IMO.

So, the fact that they have evidence of murder, conspiracy to commit murder, rape, etc is their reason to examine the tower data for ALL cell phone data. It's not specific to this particular phone found at the scene. Though, we can expect that if it belonged to either the victims or the perpetrator, it may also show up in the tower data from the time period.

Remember we aren't reading the whole warrant here. There is probably a great deal of information about the scene that is omitted from the news article. The evidence that LE has that leads them to believe conspiracy to commit murder occurred, doesn't have to relate to the phone - it could be due to two types of guns being used, or two different DNA profiles found, or a number of different pieces of evidence.

ALL JMO.

 

[swedeheart]

Attached to this Tweet are pics and videos, as well as media links.

https://twitter.com/mikerreports/status/1453325875982778372

THREAD: What we know about the #MoabMurders of #KylenSchulte and #CrystalTurner, the newlywed couple shot to death at a campsite just off of La Sal Loop Road in mid-August.

They were last seen leaving Woody’s Tavern on Main Street in Moab around 10 p.m. on Aug. 13.

The couple texted friends stating a creepy guy was bothering them. He was driving a car and had a lot of food and clothes. That’s all the description we got.

They told friends they wanted to move their campsite to get away from this guy. They were just around the corner from Whispering Oaks.

#KylenSchulte’s dad, Sean-Paul Schulte, has been asking for the public’s help finding tips. He hopes someone in the area may have seen, heard or recorded clues that could crack the case.

The #Moab murders happened just a day or two after the domestic incident involving #GabbyPetito and #BrianLaundrie, so authorities initially looked into whether the cases were connected. They said they’re not.
Cindy Sue Hunter, an acquaintance of Kylen, told Fox News Digital she was on the phone with her dad when she found her body on Aug. 18. He told her to run to safety and call 911. Kylen had been shot multiple times and was partially disrobed. Police found Crystal similarly.

Jason Jensen, a private investigator from Salt Lake City, said there are at least 17 persons of interest in the case and none of them are #BrianLaundrie or the escaped mental patient Jonathan Freeman Colt.

Grand County Sheriff Steven White is asking anyone who may have been in the South Mesa area of the La Sal Loop between Aug. 13 and 15 to reach out to investigators at (435) 259-8115.
Clarifying: She was on the phone with Kylen’s dad. She said she saw the couple’s car out of the corner of her eye and went closer to investigate.

Kylen worked at the Moonflower Co-op, an organic grocery store in downtown Moab that also came up in the #GabbyPetitoCase. People there remembered her as an amazing, kind young woman.




"We need to get the word out … because people that were in #Moab on Aug. 12, Aug. 13, Aug. 14, they have left Moab and they're all around the world now” - Kylen’s dad Sean-Paul Schulte appealing to anyone who passed through the area

Despite the pleas from the family for public help, Jensen tells us they haven’t gotten any video. “We haven't gotten anything from dashcam footage or off-road cameras or anything like that yet. Still asking for input from the public though.”

When I went to the campsite in September, two families were there on a hunting trip. Despite being just outside Moab, the winding mountain road takes about 40 minutes to drive up. It’s very remote.



A set of keys linked to a New York rock climbing gym found at the campsite weeks later has no connection to #BrianLaundrie and could have been dropped well after the murders, Sean-Paul Schulte told us.

 

[swedeheart]

https://twitter.com/BrianEntin/status/1453419048834781185

1/3 The mood of many in Moab is anxious and guarded. Many are apprehensive to talk about Gabby because they are overcome with fear and anxiety over the murder of Kylen Schulte and Crystal Turner. The killer is not in custody. They don't know if it is someone who lives here.

2/3 I did not fully realize until being here -- that while the cases are very different -- and law enforcement say not related -- to the people here it is all part of one devastating time period over the last several months.

3/3 Murders are extremely unusual here. Let alone a double murder. More on all of this Thursday night in our
@NewsNationNow
special at 9pmET.